[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Arcadenik]

Well, here are my top 5 lists...

Dream Top 5 (in no particular order)
1. Toad
2. Meowth
3. Hunting Dog (aka the Duck Hunt dog)
4. Tingle
5. Dixie Kong

Realistic Top 5 (in no particular order)
1. Toad
2. Dixie Kong
3. Gold (Chikorita, Quilava, Feraligatr)
4. Little Mac
5. Starfy

The 5 characters I honestly think will be playable in SSB4, whether I like it or not (in no particular order)
1. Little Mac
2. Starfy
3. Dixie Kong
4. Takamaru (the protagonist of the Japan-only NES game called Nazo no Murasamejou)
5. Mega Man

 

[Hero Dude]

My top 5:

Tingle
Isaac
K. rool
Infantery
Kamek


Realistically,

Isaac
Tingle
K. rool
Mewtwo
Megaman

@Arcadnik: I bet you Tingle will be playable.

 

[lordvaati]

my top 5 (as of now)

Bowser Jr

Megaman

Meowth

Paper Mario

Isaac's descendant

 

[Arcadenik]

Oh, I can only hope! Tingle would be amazing as a joke character.... though I think the Duck Hunt dog would be fun as a joke character, too.

Kuma.... exactly how would Paula and Kumatora be alternate characters to Ness and Lucas? If you select Ness, do you press the X or Y button to switch palette swaps until Paula appears, just like how you do to get Wario's classic Wario Land outfit? Is this what you mean?

Edit: Sweet! I am not the only one who wants Meowth playable in SSB4. I have always wanted to play as Meowth since the first Smash.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Hmmm It's pretty hard to pick an order except for #1,

Dream-ish Top 5
Paper Mario (as long as he's not a clone)

and in no particular order:

2. Isaac
3. Mia or Nephenee or Caineghis and kinda Micaiah (imo they would all be awesome)
4. Ridley
5. hmmmm Definitely Mewtwo

My realistic-ish top 5
in no particular order after PM:

#1 Paper Mario
2.Isaac
3.Ridley
4.Micaiah
5.Mewtwo

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Hmmm It's pretty hard to pick an order except for #1,

Dream-ish Top 5
Paper Mario (as long as he's not a clone)

and in no particular order:

2. Isaac
3. Mia or Nephenee or Caineghis and kinda Micaiah (imo they would all be awesome)
4. Ridley
5. hmmmm Definitely Mewtwo

My realistic-ish top 5
in no particular order after PM:

#1 Paper Mario
2.Isaac
3.Ridley
4.Micaiah
5.Mewtwo

No dream team Skull Kid?

 

[Clownbot]

Dream Top 5:

Ryu Hayabusa
Mega Man
-Snake

Spoiler

I know it's not an addition, I just want him out that badly.

Tom Nook (or the AC character, either one works)
2nd Gen Trainer (representing HG/SS)

Realistically....
Mega Man
Little Mac
Paper Mario (or Bowser Jr.; I still can't decide which I find more likely atm)
Latest-Gen Pokemon
K. Rool (or Dixie; see Bowser Jr.)

...with Snake probably staying and PT being the same (if he isn't cut [not that that's really likely or anything])

 

[.WC.]

The only non-realistic characters I'll always hope for are Geno and Banjo Kazooie.

 

[Pieman0920]

Dream 5
Bio Rex
Koopalings (I don't care if them working makes no sense, this is a dream, I tells ya!)
Vyse
Ridley
Super Macho Man

Realistically

Little Mac
Tingle
Ridley
Paper Mario (At least from my view, he should get in before...)
Bowser Jr.

 

[Big-Cat]

Kuma.... exactly how would Paula and Kumatora be alternate characters to Ness and Lucas? If you select Ness, do you press the X or Y button to switch palette swaps until Paula appears, just like how you do to get Wario's classic Wario Land outfit? Is this what you mean?

Edit: Sweet! I am not the only one who wants Meowth playable in SSB4. I have always wanted to play as Meowth since the first Smash.

I was thinking of something a little different. You know how we can now touch the character for the costume, I would prefer to see that you select the color with a button and alternate characters and costumes by touching on them.

I'd love to see Meowth as well, if there's one other Pokemon besides Mewtwo to add, it's him.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Vyse...Is he from Tales of Legendia (Or somethign along those lines, the air pirates?)

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Sorry Shino, SK's #6-ish. I had him there but then remembered Mewtwo and well you know how it turned out.

Kuma, that's a good way to change it up with touching for AC's but then how would you change a CPU's color?

I don't want Meowth playable, It's nice but Mewtwo comes first in my book

I love how more people are putting PM on there lists (even if it is 2 or 3 besides me) a lot of people used to be against him if I remember right.

 

[Pieman0920]

Nope, he's from Skies of Arcadia. (Though you were right that he is a air pirate)

Still, if he actually was from a Tales game, he'd have a tiny sliver of hope, but he's actually a Sega character, and there's no way with Sonic there. (Unless they up the Third Party representatives, but even then he would have virtually no chance)

 

[BBQTV]

ok crazy idea guys what if we have no new third party character and leave snake and sonic but add characters from their games im not crazy im not hehehehehe not CRAZY!!!!!!! they should add more nintendo characters add keep these [sonic/snake] and add like said above

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Nope, he's from Skies of Arcadia. (Though you were right that he is a air pirate)

Still, if he actually was from a Tales game, he'd have a tiny sliver of hope, but he's actually a Sega character, and there's no way with Sonic there. (Unless they up the Third Party representatives, but even then he would have virtually no chance)

Ok yea, I have played the game (Just mixed it up with the tales games) and it was one of my favorite RPG's. I would like to see how he could be implemented into Smash. **** it;s been a while since I played that game, good call with him.

 

[Wizzerd]

Whee top 5. Semi-realistic hopes:
Paper Mario: Loved the three games.
Chocobo: Most likely Square rep ATM along with Slime in my opinion, but more of an SSB5 candidate.
Dr. Mario: I miss the pills ;_;
Tom Nook: Unlikely if Sakurai doesn't change his mind, but eh.
Tingle: Kooloo-Limpah!

Realistic expectations:
Bowser Jr./Paper Mario
K.Rool
Ridley
Little Mac
Megaman

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Mine would have to be: Claus, Isaac, Geno (Or BJ, We need a unique moveset to take place of Doc this time...Paper Mario could also work), Sukapon, and Samurai Goroh (Replaying the 64 copy I found of F-Zero)

Quoted from earlier since some people wanted to know my top 5.

edit: and by realistic I mean not anything that we KNOW Is completely impossible (basically, the characters sakurai debunked like anime characters or so) However, you can make two lists. One more realistic and one less, as other people have been doing in the thread.

 

[lordvaati]

Nope, he's from Skies of Arcadia. (Though you were right that he is a air pirate)

Still, if he actually was from a Tales game, he'd have a tiny sliver of hope, but he's actually a Sega character, and there's no way with Sonic there. (Unless they up the Third Party representatives, but even then he would have virtually no chance)

a shame too, his Blue Rouges special would have been a unique final Smash.

 

[n88]

Out of boredom, I created a poll for characters, using some of the characters that come up more often in the discussion. Regrettably, you can only vote for one character at a time.

Anybody want to test this link for me?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

ok crazy idea guys what if we have no new third party character and leave snake and sonic but add characters from their games im not crazy im not hehehehehe not CRAZY!!!!!!! they should add more nintendo characters add keep these [sonic/snake] and add like said above

I like that, really, except we will probably get MM, but I don't really want any more MGS characters........just one or two Sonic.....okay just look

Sonic, *sonic char*, maybe another *sonic char*
Snake
Megaman
and one or both of these
Bomberman (Nintendo systems only [I think] ftw)
Black Mage OR Chocobo OR Geno

My two Sonic choices would be:

A. Shadow (idc for him he's just likely)
B. Knuckles (I say he's got some chance and potential)
C. Amy (I'm getting iffy on this one, I guess she could have potential)
Well I don't really want any of the others

n88, it works, there are a lot of characters there. If that (plus others) were in an official SSB4 Poll, that would be great, and it was official. btw can you vote twice after submitting?

 

[Clownbot]

Out of boredom, I created a poll for characters, using some of the characters that come up more often in the discussion. Regrettably, you can only vote for one character at a time.

Anybody want to test this link for me?

It works!

This might just help out a lot in deciding which characters are how popular and all that jazz.

Spoiler

(In America, that is. Which is too bad, because Sakurai doesn't care about us! lolool) /sarcasm

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Out of boredom, I created a poll for characters, using some of the characters that come up more often in the discussion. Regrettably, you can only vote for one character at a time.

Anybody want to test this link for me?

Ctrl+F Claus

Uh, nothing found. Yet you have Jeff, Kuma, and Ninten?

 

[BBQTV]

I like that, really, except we will probably get MM, but I don't really want any more MGS characters........just one or two Sonic.....okay just look

Sonic, *sonic char*, maybe another *sonic char*
Snake
Megaman
and one or both of these
Bomberman (Nintendo systems only [I think] ftw)
Black Mage OR Chocobo OR Geno

My two Sonic choices would be:

A. Shadow (idc for him he's just likely)
B. Knuckles (I say he's got some chance and potential)
C. Amy ( she has no potential I HAVE NO CLUE WHY I PUT THIS )
Well I don't really want any of the others

look at amy

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

I don't want to see anymore characters from existing third parties get in. However If any more third parites of the existing company get in I'd like to see more characters from different series within that company get in. Like Vyse(Skies of Arcadia), Gillius(Golden Axe), or Amigo(Samba de Amigo for Sega.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

look at amy

yeah, I said she was iffy.....

Shadow and Knux are probably first for next Sonic slot

 

[BBQTV]

did sakurai say anything about axeing current 3rd partys

 

[Paper Mario Master]

did Sakurai say much about SSB4?
and to answer probably not

 

[BBQTV]

oh just wondering then i like my idea even more but........ whose stoping them from adding more but if its to much of a hassle my idea works im sure koijma wouldn't mind

 

[mariorocks64]

I worry. has Nintendo or Sakurai or HAL labs say anything positive for SSB4?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

This is speculation anyways and wishing so does it really matter?

 

[RedTurtle]

I'd really like to see better Online Play. Meaning, better connection with each other(TMNT: Smash-Up's online is better), and a better matchmaking system. For characters, I have two requests that I am doubtful on. Geno(SMRPG) and Crono(Chrono Trigger). Both great games for the SNES.

 

[§leepy God]

♪ Oh no you didn't say Geno. D:< †

♪ I'll agree with Crono, though I wish the remake for the DS was more of a change than nearly the same game. And I'll agree that Smash Up has better online than Brawl does. †

 

[RedTurtle]

♪ Oh no you didn't say Geno. D:< †

♪ I'll agree with Crono, though I wish the remake for the DS was more of a change than nearly the same game. And I'll agree that Smash Up has better online than Brawl does. †

Haha. At least you agree with two out of my three suggestions.

 

[Hero Dude]

Oh, I told you my realistic top 5, not my expectations.
My expectations are:
Little Mac (I think that he has been basically confirmed)
Tingle (Very likely Zelda rep; has three games all on his own)
Ridley (Obvious)
Bowser jr. (IMO, Toad would get in over paper mario)
Isaac (With his new game, he is very likely. Isaac takes priority over the new game and becouse as of now he is the face of GS.)

 

[egaddmario]

Yes Yes Yes to Isaac. I just bought Golden Sun at a local Gamestop for eight buck and it is worth SO much more. There is definitly a moveset there...Sakurai just wasn't looking...Golden Sun DS looks sweet...Isaac for SSB4!

 

[Pieman0920]

I think Isaac's chances revolve completely around his role, if any, in the next GS game. Overall, I think its fairly certain that we will get a GS character, due to fan demand/the fact that it seems that Nintendo is treating it as a important series by letting it get into their press conference. The problem with Isaac though is that he was only the main character for one game, and just a major character in the second. If the third doesn't have him show up at all, I'd think that Sakurai would just go with the new protagonist, as it would be the most people would be familliar with at the time. If Isaac does come back to have a larger enough role in GS3 though, then I think he does stand a good chance of getting in. Of course, I can't help but think that SSB4's generation of clones may include both Isaac and the new protogonist. (Poor Felix...)

 

[DekuBoy]

My Super-de-duper top 5:

Li'l Mac: Aww, c'mon. I think we can all agree on him.

K.Rool: I'm a sucker for villains, and it would add more variety to the DK series thank just monkeys.

Ridley: Again, I love villains but I'm worried about Ridley. I don't think Sakurai likes him enough.

Animal Crossing Rep: This series is so popular and beloved, it's a travesty it doesn't have a character.

Arceus: If a new Pokemon gets in, I want it to be the fricken god of pokemon. I DON'T CARE ABOUT BALANCE!!!


Well that was pretty by-the-book. BTW is TMNT Smash Up worth renting? Or buying for that matter?

 

[Big-Cat]

I hear it pales in comparison to Brawl.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

I think Isaac's chances revolve completely around his role, if any, in the next GS game. Overall, I think its fairly certain that we will get a GS character, due to fan demand/the fact that it seems that Nintendo is treating it as a important series by letting it get into their press conference. The problem with Isaac though is that he was only the main character for one game, and just a major character in the second. If the third doesn't have him show up at all, I'd think that Sakurai would just go with the new protagonist, as it would be the most people would be familliar with at the time. If Isaac does come back to have a larger enough role in GS3 though, then I think he does stand a good chance of getting in. Of course, I can't help but think that SSB4's generation of clones may include both Isaac and the new protogonist. (Poor Felix...)

Golden Sun looks like it's turning into an evolving series like Pokemon, Fire Emblem, and EarthBound. I think it's best to compare Isaac to the main protagonists we got from those three:

Pokemon - Red/Ash; the original Trainer, also the most popular.
Fire Emblem - Marth; the original Lord, also the most popular.
EarthBound - Ness; the second hero, also the most popular.

All three characters were the most popular in their series (most popular Trainer in Red's case). Two of them were the originals, but Ness is not. Popularity takes priority over being first it seems.

Now if you suppose that Ness was included over Ninten because the two are so similar that they could be considered the same character, then it's just evidence that the first guy gets in over the newer ones. Ness would simply be the original and Ninten would only be a name. I doubt that though. Almost everyone sees them as seperate (if similar) characters.

You could say Ninten was considered before being disqualified by being JP only, but that assumes that Sakurai was more concerned about regional exclusivity than popularity (and since Europe never got Ness either, I doubt that's the case). That'd be some serious backwards logic though. Plus the whole "no evidence" thing.


Anyway, the Golden Sun DS guy shouldn't even warrant consideration unless he's as popular or more popular than Isaac. And that probably won't happen ever, let alone by SSB4.

Well that was pretty by-the-book. BTW is TMNT Smash Up worth renting? Or buying for that matter?

I hear it's worth renting at the very least. The online is supposed to be much more stable than Brawl but the game has a serious lack of Bebop and Rocksteady.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

EarthBound - Ness; the second hero, also the most popular.

Just an fyi here: During melee's development, it was planned to have lucas replace ness. How is this relevant? It shows that popularity isn't the only thing on his mind. To be fair, Fire Emblem also has It's second most reoccuring lord and It's probably second most popular one.

But unless Sakurai pulls an FE with Golden Sun in Smash 4, Or we don't see isaac in GS3 At all, then I think It's safe to say that isaac will probably get in over *Insert dude we don't even know the name of*

Heck, to me he looks like the most completed AT. Why sakurai? Why?

In other news: I'm a bit uninformed on this/Punch-Out in general, but why is Little Mac suddenly a shoe-in for a newcomer slot?