[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Hero Dude]

Becouse she was a main character in the most recent (I think) FE game.

Also, I would like to ask: Is Starfy likely at all? I just got his game, and its actually pretty fun.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Starfy is possible, yeah.


Here's the deal with Fire Emblem: Roy is possible only because he was in Melee and was supposed to be in Brawl anyway. He's fine if you believe the "Sakurai wants to bring back Mewtwo and Roy" theory (which I do).

Aside from him, no currently existing character is believed to have a chance. Sakurai is 2 for 2 on picking the very most recent lead character to add onto this series:

** Ike's first game had been out for a month in one region when he picked him for Brawl.
** Roy's game hadn't even been released. Obviously not a problem for the western audience, but the Japanese must've thought that was odd.

Why choose those two if there were more popular characters at the time he added those characters? I don't know, that's just how he does it. Go with the most recent one, even if no one's heard of them. Guess he figures they'll catch on (he's right so far).

Add that to the fact that Fire Emblem is certainly prolific enough to probably fit a game or three in between now and SSB4, and you've got yourself a candidate that won't exist for several years.


It's entirely possible that Sakurai decides to add both Roy and our currently non-existent newcomer, but I doubt he'll pick both. I personally believe he'll bring in Roy and keep Ike. You can add a new guy whenever and that's good and all when they catch on, but Roy's a free ticket to instant gratification. Pretty sure Sakurai would prefer to go with that.

 

[Hero Dude]

How possibble? Very? Or not much?

Okay, add that to what we have and it is :

Marth, who who will NOT be leaving.
Ike, who is very popular right now.
Roy, who was taken out for no reason, and is from IMO the best Fire Emblem ever.
New Person, who will likely take roys place as a third FE rep.


Since SSB4 is in the future, I think the New guy will make it.
No matter how much I would enjoy it, FE is likely to only get one more rep than it already has.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Look, ARE YOU READING MY POSTS?

Dixie kong
Plusle and Minun
Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik
Roy
Mewtwo
Dr.Mario

Data for these Characters where found on the Brawl Disc. If Sakurai had his way, Nobody would've been cut.

(I think I am missing one)

Pichu wasn't on there, and the Plusle and Minun part was only noted as Pra_Mai, and we have no idea if Dixie Kong was to appear with diddy.

And It's only files mixed in with the regular ones. Personally, we all forget the option of DLC. Anyhow, my opinion on the FE Series:

Marth isn't going anywhere. Ike probably isn't either considering he got added when he only had one game during four weeks out and now has the growth of:
-Being one of the top 7 he was interested in before brawl released and scoring high on the polls
-Being the only other reoccuring FE Lord asides from marth (Not totally sure; Feel free to correct me, but I do know marth and ike both had two games)
-Being one of the more popular noob characters of brawl - Seriously I see ike so much outside of online matches with friends.

And If he does get cut, a new lord will take his place, not roy.

And the series isn't getting four reps when it didn't even get a third added into brawl despite starting out with two. The series however does deserve a third rep, which comes down mostly too...

-Whoever is the current lord (Which COULD Mean Michiah If they're still going on with her, but probably not)
-Roy

Now then; It really depends on FE's future. Roy could easily just get thrown in as a Downloadable Content character the way I see it and need melee or brawl data to have him for free, but eh, I'm not sakurai.

 

[Hero Dude]

Plusle and Minun would have been Pichu, doubled, perhaps a way to make him a better fighter.
Pra & Mai translates to Plusle and Minun.
I didn't say anything about Dixie being with Diddy. But it is a theory as to why Diddy's down B is so simple.

Do you look up SSB4 often?
I believe Sakurai himself said that that was impossible. (DLC)
A whole chracter file would take hours to download, if he could even do it.
(Or something like that, I don't remember.)

 

[Clownbot]

IIRC (I have no source, sorry) Sakurai stated in an interview or something that he tried to put in Diddy and Dixie as a team, but the developers couldn't work things out, so Diddy got in on his own.

 

[Hero Dude]

For SSB4, I don't care if the game takes 10 years after planned date to release, I just want a good game.

Who agrees?

 

[Pieman0920]

I still say people keep overlooking the possibility that Fire Emblem gets no new character, especially if there is no new lord to work with inbetween now and SSB4. They could just update Ike's apperance, give Marth a costume that looks sort of like Roy's and call it a day. Essentially my line of thought is that if there is a new FE lord, remake or not, then they will get in (if multiple, it will be the most recent to the cutoff) and if there isn't then there simply shouldn't be a new character.

Buuut, I'm going to throw one thing out there. Technically, there has been a new FE game since Brawl came out, and if you count in the cut off, then there has been two. If the off chance occurs that we don't get a new game with a new lord, then it is somewhat possible we get a extra character from one of these games. Now given that both characters from these games would have to be characters from FE universes that are already represented in Brawl, I would think that if there were to be a new character from one of them, it should be from the more important/recent one, aka FE11, aka Marth's universe. In essence, I think it would make a lot more sense to add in Sheeda instead of Micaiah if things actually fell to that.

 

[lordvaati]

sorry to say it, but if Roy really was so popular, they would have released his sequel in the US instead of Path of Radiance.

sad but true. besides Ike and Marth work because one is the Japanese FE rep and one is the US FE rep. kind of like Ness and Lucas.

 

[Starphoenix]

I still say people keep overlooking the possibility that Fire Emblem gets no new character, especially if there is no new lord to work with inbetween now and SSB4. They could just update Ike's apperance, give Marth a costume that looks sort of like Roy's and call it a day. Essentially my line of thought is that if there is a new FE lord, remake or not, then they will get in (if multiple, it will be the most recent to the cutoff) and if there isn't then there simply shouldn't be a new character.

Buuut, I'm going to throw one thing out there. Technically, there has been a new FE game since Brawl came out, and if you count in the cut off, then there has been two. If the off chance occurs that we don't get a new game with a new lord, then it is somewhat possible we get a extra character from one of these games. Now given that both characters from these games would have to be characters from FE universes that are already represented in Brawl, I would think that if there were to be a new character from one of them, it should be from the more important/recent one, aka FE11, aka Marth's universe. In essence, I think it would make a lot more sense to add in Sheeda instead of Micaiah if things actually fell to that.

It is extremely unlikely that the FE series will not receive another character, especially when there is already one to go with. Roy has one thing that all the other lords, past and future do not and that is he already has appeared in the Smash universe. Sakurai did not show (from what we know) any intention of canning Roy but obviously had to in the end. I think you take that for granted (alongside other things, but I am not going to debate Roy seeing as how you and Toise had quite a tango. And to be honest Toise is far better a debater than I am).

Also I disagree with you on your last statement for a couple reasons:

1: No one needs to be represented from FE 11 (under your situation) seeing as how we already have Marth. The only real impact Shadow Dragon would have in Smash is Marth's model would probably be more reflective of his design in that game. Similar to Fox in his transition from Melee to Brawl.
2: If any character was to be chosen from SD, we all know it would be Navarre. If I remeber correctly that is his favorite FE character.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Sakurai loves his swordmasters. The proof is in the stickers.


Anyway, bringing back Roy is a no-brainer. The biggest complaint with Brawl was cutting characters, specifically him and Mewtwo. Smash Bros. is about fan gratification, not the chorus of "quit crying over your old characters, play as these ones until we replace them too."

Sakurai cares about making fans happy (as he should, anyone in the entertainment business is required to do so lest they fail miserably). Roy and Mewtwo will make people happier than any other character from those two series. Anyone who assumes he won't either doubts Sakurai's integrity (cue "Brawl sucks" response) or the value of the characters to the fans (which is either denial or ignorance).

 

[SmashChu]

^I support this post

But I really posted to say sorry to not replying. The original post took about two hours to complete as did each reply post afterward. If there is anything you all wish me to write on or reply to, let me know.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well while I still don't think Roy is actually going to show up again, due to reasons I've already stated before, I'm not going to get into that.

What I was saying though is that Sheeda would logically take precidence over Micaiah given that she's the number 2 in a more recent/technically more iconic game. I'm not really taking into consideration my thoughts of no FE character/Roy/New FE character when I'm saying that. I am also very aware of who Sakurai's favorite FE character is, but I don't quite think that it would influence his decision there.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Plusle and Minun would have been Pichu, doubled, perhaps a way to make him a better fighter.
Pra & Mai translates to Plusle and Minun.
I didn't say anything about Dixie being with Diddy. But it is a theory as to why Diddy's down B is so simple.

Do you look up SSB4 often?
I believe Sakurai himself said that that was impossible. (DLC)
A whole chracter file would take hours to download, if he could even do it.
(Or something like that, I don't remember.)

Pra_Mai does? Source?
But anyhow, point is we don't really know. Maybe at one point he was saying "Doc? Meh, we already have mario and people didn't really care"

As for DLC; He said It's impossible because there's no HD On the wii, but remember; With the rumor of Wii HD, He may not be too far off his wish of all veteran's appearing.

...Back to the FE Arguement...

I still say people keep overlooking the possibility that Fire Emblem gets no new character, especially if there is no new lord to work with inbetween now and SSB4. They could just update Ike's apperance, give Marth a costume that looks sort of like Roy's and call it a day. Essentially my line of thought is that if there is a new FE lord, remake or not, then they will get in (if multiple, it will be the most recent to the cutoff) and if there isn't then there simply shouldn't be a new character.

Buuut, I'm going to throw one thing out there. Technically, there has been a new FE game since Brawl came out, and if you count in the cut off, then there has been two. If the off chance occurs that we don't get a new game with a new lord, then it is somewhat possible we get a extra character from one of these games. Now given that both characters from these games would have to be characters from FE universes that are already represented in Brawl, I would think that if there were to be a new character from one of them, it should be from the more important/recent one, aka FE11, aka Marth's universe. In essence, I think it would make a lot more sense to add in Sheeda instead of Micaiah if things actually fell to that.

Chances are since It'll take long to develop, there will be at least 1-2 or so new FE Games after Radiant Dawn (And what you said about radiant dawn + Isn't that remake of marth's game still in development?)

And of course; I actually agree. People ARE Underrating the possibility of FE Staying as two. While Melee started out with two, melee barely GOT Two in the first place, but If we're to get one, It's probably roy or a new FE Rep. I think four for the series is stretching it, considering half of the games are still japan-only, and we haven't reached four with any other franchise asides from the big 3.

 

[Arcadenik]

I am reminded of Meowth's return in Brawl after its absence in Melee. I remember there were many fans who wanted Meowth back in Brawl even though there were several other Pokemon who didn't appear in Melee after SSB64... and Meowth was the only removed Pokemon who was added back in Brawl. So, there is a possibility that Mewtwo and Roy (ugh) might be back in SSB4.

Personally, I would like Pikachu, Meowth, Mewtwo, Red with 1st gen starters, and Gold with 2nd gen starters playable in SSB4. It would be a dream come true... a battle between rivals. Pikachu vs. Meowth. Red vs. Gold. And the return of Mewtwo.

http://www.brawlsnapshots.com/snapshots/154110?tag=meowth

 

[lordvaati]

the only thing though is that Brawl just did the same thing most fighters do- adding new people to the roster while cutting a few in an installment. of course the characters can return, but it's not like everyone in Brawl will return for SSB4. but at the same time, it doesn't mean they are gone forever.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

How possibble? Very? Or not much?

Okay, add that to what we have and it is :


Roy, who was taken out for no reason, and is from IMO the best Fire Emblem ever.


Since SSB4 is in the future, I think the New guy will make it.
No matter how much I would enjoy it, FE is likely to only get one more rep than it already has.

Have you played all of the Fire EMblem Games? Sorry to pry but this is just an odd statement to hear

For SSB4, I don't care if the game takes 10 years after planned date to release, I just want a good game.

Who agrees?

Agreed

I still say people keep overlooking the possibility that Fire Emblem gets no new character, especially if there is no new lord to work with inbetween now and SSB4. They could just update Ike's apperance, give Marth a costume that looks sort of like Roy's and call it a day. Essentially my line of thought is that if there is a new FE lord, remake or not, then they will get in (if multiple, it will be the most recent to the cutoff) and if there isn't then there simply shouldn't be a new character.

Buuut, I'm going to throw one thing out there. Technically, there has been a new FE game since Brawl came out, and if you count in the cut off, then there has been two. If the off chance occurs that we don't get a new game with a new lord, then it is somewhat possible we get a extra character from one of these games. Now given that both characters from these games would have to be characters from FE universes that are already represented in Brawl, I would think that if there were to be a new character from one of them, it should be from the more important/recent one, aka FE11, aka Marth's universe. In essence, I think it would make a lot more sense to add in Sheeda instead of Micaiah if things actually fell to that.

I think if there was no new FE game and SSB4 was to be made, he would finally turn to popularity. IIRC Sigurd is the most popular unrepresented character so he would get the spot over an optional character of any game. Sheeda, although was a member in the story (which so many others weren't ) the player was never forced to use her, so she potentially could be an unused character by many fans.

sorry to say it, but if Roy really was so popular, they would have released his sequel in the US instead of Path of Radiance.

sad but true. besides Ike and Marth work because one is the Japanese FE rep and one is the US FE rep. kind of like Ness and Lucas.

Roy's game was made as a prequel, its "sequel" WAS released in the US, it was the first game to do so actually. Ike is not the "US" rep (many think Lyn should be) he was just the most recent.

 

[Tman1206]

if there was to be another FE character then it would be eliwood hands down

 

[Salem]

if there was to be another FE character then it would be eliwood hands down

Lyndis.

She deserves it more.

Especially cause of what they did to her in FE6.

Lyndis doesn't even exist but Hector and Eliwood does!?
What type of game is this!? >_>
Oh yeah, did I mention she's also as cool as Marth?

 

[Cyn]

still with the fire emblem???? how long has this debate been going on now?

 

[Hero Dude]

Pieman.....I don't completely understand what you are telling me. Keep in your head, it isn't like SSB4 is right around the corner.
It will be ATLEAST another two years, more likely four or five. If Nintendo isn't out with a new FE by then, or atleast working on one, then they must have dropped the series.
New Discussion
Mario Galaxy 2: How much will it influence SSB4?

 

[LumpyCPU...]

if they add another fire emblem character it has to be zelda, cuz that dude's sword is soo cool.

 

[BBQTV]

still with the fire emblem???? how long has this debate been going on now?

yes agreed. how big is fire emblem? i dont think its really big but this is me not haven info so if im wrong tell me

 

[Salem]

yes agreed. how big is fire emblem? i dont think its really big but this is me not haven info so if im wrong tell me

It has 11 games...
And they're limiting them on purpose while they make dumb games for characters that has enough games to last them a whole 10 years.

But anyway... Lyn would be more original then any of these FE chars y'all talking about.

 

[Pieman0920]

Chances are since It'll take long to develop, there will be at least 1-2 or so new FE Games after Radiant Dawn (And what you said about radiant dawn + Isn't that remake of marth's game still in development?)

Its been out for over a year in Japan, and came to the US last winter. I guess I would agree then that there will probably be two FE games after RD and before SSB4, since I still do think that another FE game will probalby show up some time soon. :V

I think if there was no new FE game and SSB4 was to be made, he would finally turn to popularity. IIRC Sigurd is the most popular unrepresented character so he would get the spot over an optional character of any game. Sheeda, although was a member in the story (which so many others weren't ) the player was never forced to use her, so she potentially could be an unused character by many fans.

Sigurd is usually popular among those who have played FE4-5, though I would say his general popularity is actually a bit low, considering most people internationally don't know who he is. That combined with the fact that his aethetics are virtually the same as Ike and Marth's don't really help. And quite frankly, being able to not use her shouldn't really be that much of a problem, becauce it simply doesn't matter that much. Many people could have used her from the moment she showed up all the way until the end, and even if they don't as you said she still has a large role.

Lyndis.

She deserves it more.

Especially cause of what they did to her in FE6.

Lyndis doesn't even exist but Hector and Eliwood does!?
What type of game is this!? >_>
Oh yeah, did I mention she's also as cool as Marth?

Theoretically, since those two have had roles in two Fire Emblem games, doesn't that make them deserve it more? And in any case, you can hardly blame the people who made FE6 for not including Lyn there, because Lyn simply didn't exist. She was a character created afterwards to be used in FE7.

Pieman.....I don't completely understand what you are telling me. Keep in your head, it isn't like SSB4 is right around the corner.
It will be ATLEAST another two years, more likely four or five. If Nintendo isn't out with a new FE by then, or atleast working on one, then they must have dropped the series.
New Discussion
Mario Galaxy 2: How much will it influence SSB4?

....I wasn't talking to you?

In any case, I don't know why you're saying I'm losing my head here, but then again, you could be reading the text in any way. Its obvious that SSB4 will not happen any time soon, but we have no idea when a new FE will show up either. Thus we may not have any new FE, and we may not have any cause for a new character.

 

[mariorocks64]

Every time I look for a character, I think about the move set. Starting with the Mario characters

Everyone says Daisy will just be a useless clone of peach. That is what Nintendo would Pull if they were in a rush to add her. Nintendo has gave a trophy for daisy twice. one trophy in a dress, and one trophy in the striker outfit. The striker outfit was what brought my attention to saying that if Nintendo doesn't rush, Daisy won't be a clone of peach. Daisy+striker outfit=Combat move set
Costume don't really matter. you have the Wario costume on Mario for all 3 games. the third has Wario as a playable character. That is how Daisy could work out. Peach has daisy costume for 3 smash bros games, and daisy shows up in the third one. Daisy will have the striker outfit, and her original clothes. As for Luigi's Waluigi costume, Waluigi is an assist trophy. that's all I can say for costumes.
Daisy may be more spin off than Important, But she is one hard cookie. She racks a hard shot even to Bowser. Mario has his Dame, So Luigi needs his. Would Daisy get any more support if she had an important role in a game that starred Luigi?
It is only a matter of time until Luigi finds out that Peach would disguise herself as Daisy in the smash bros series to make sure Luigi doesn't get suicidal. Luigi could hang himself, and then he will never be in smash again. FOREVER!
Personality, I Prefer Toad over any Mario character, because he's my favorite character in mario games.

I prefer Bomberman as the first third party choice over any character.
Do you think Nintendo will consider Bomberman?

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Its obvious that SSB4 will not happen any time soon, but we have no idea when a new FE will show up either. Thus we may not have any new FE, and we may not have any cause for a new character.

Considering the longest gap between games was three years and it's been a year since FE11, I really doubt it'll be long before we get news on a new game.

 

[Pieman0920]

@Mariorocks: Daisy's striker outfit isn't her normal outfit though, and she shouldn't be represented by it. Plus, the outfit doesn't actually change that much anyways.

Outside of that you post makes no sense. :V

@Toise

You're probably right, and we'll likely hear about a new FE before a new Smash, but I'm just throwing out a hypothetical thing here, since we really don't know the future.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Yeah yeah I know, anything can happen and whatnot. But there's plenty of evidence that they're already making the next game:

Horikawa: As for sequels, I think time is not ripe yet to disclose such information, either what our exact plans are or what platform we will focus on next. However, hopefully I will be able to announce something in the near future that will make all fans very excited...

And the Iwata Asks and an IGN interview where they're like "we're thinking about a new game with an all-star cast."


I'd be VERY surprised if they didn't have anything new before SSB4, let alone 2011.

 

[DekuBoy]

I would love a laguz protaganist in SSB4. Or a mage who doesn't conflict with Ike. (Ike and Micaiah are in the same time zone, so it would be stupid to only represent two, when you could have 3. See also: The Mother series.)

 

[Thirdkoopa]

(Ike and Micaiah are in the same time zone, so it would be stupid to only represent two, when you could have 3. See also: The Mother series.)

Don't even start me up on this...

The mother series is a different case. Don't even bother bringing that up The only viable person from mother 1 is ninten, and to be fair, most of mother 1 is very similar to Mother 2 + You realize pokemon has 3 (technically 5) 1st gen reps, yes?

You could say "WHY NOT ADD A SUPPORTING CHARACTER" All you want; But truth be told, the ones from M2 and M3 Are far more popular.

Thus, It's more logical to go with Claus; Seriously, FE Is actually doing fine with having two swordsmen (Only one shared move and iirc counter is different too, It's not like melee) Yet PK Users on the other hand may start to look like SF If we get ninten.

But to avoid just bringing up another long debate, I must ask - What would everyone's top 5 most wanted newcomers for Smash 4 be?
Mine would have to be: Claus, Isaac, Geno (Or BJ, We need a unique moveset to take place of Doc this time...Paper Mario could also work), Sukapon, and Samurai Goroh (Replaying the 64 copy I found of F-Zero)

 

[Big-Cat]

My top five most wanted are:

Krystal
Ridley
Tom Nook
Kumatora
Toad

Before anyone asks, Kumatora can be worked in away we don't have a Space Anthros repeat. Just give her PK Fire, Thunder, Ground (starting to sound like C. Viper), and Brainshock while giving Lucas PK Love, PK Counter, Carrier Pigeons, and PK Flash and you're good to go.

 

[DekuBoy]

Um.. thethirdkoopa I don't think you fully understand. I didn't ask for a new Mother rep, I was saying that it is a lot better to represent different periods in a games timeline than to just celebrate two. Like Marth and Ike's storylines are completely different. Adding Micaiah would be ignoring characters like Roy, Lyn, Sigurd, Eirica, and more. They're all a lot more popular and important than Micaiah. So my vote goes to Roy's return.

PS: KumaOso I agree with you on all your choices except Kumatora. I would like her in, but I wouldn't like it unless Mother 2 gets another character. I would like Porkey if anyone.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

My top 5 (wishlist style) would be
Issac
Baloon Fighter
Lyn or Eliwood I would be equally happy with either
Kaptain K. Rool
Advanced War Team

Top 5 realistic
Issac
Lyn
K. Rool (in any form)
Advanced War Team
Mewtwo

 

[n88]

The n88 Top 5 would be:

Rosalina
K. Rool
Ridley
Mach Rider
Mewtwo

@Paper Mario Master

Sales prove how many people bought what game. More people are familier with Roy via Melee than other Fire Emblem characters.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Um.. thethirdkoopa I don't think you fully understand. I didn't ask for a new Mother rep, I was saying that it is a lot better to represent different periods in a games timeline than to just celebrate two. Like Marth and Ike's storylines are completely different. Adding Micaiah would be ignoring characters like Roy, Lyn, Sigurd, Eirica, and more. They're all a lot more popular and important than Micaiah. So my vote goes to Roy's return.

Ah, you mean like how Lucas was in over the possibility of another mother 2 rep? That makes more sense, but really, mother is small in what it "Needs to represent" Unlike the very debateable FE, Which has 11 Games (One being a remake as far as I know) under It's belt. I however agree; I'd prefer them to represent the newest game or roy rather than michiah, as long as roy/whoever get's a unique moveset.

Keep going on with these top 5. It's pretty interesting since we've debated so much on characters yet never talked about what we specifically wanted (Regardless of chance, unless It's completely ridiculous)

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Ah, you mean like how Lucas was in over the possibility of another mother 2 rep? That makes more sense, but really, mother is small in what it "Needs to represent" Unlike the very debateable FE, Which has 11 Games (One being a remake as far as I know) under It's belt.

Keep going on with these top 5. It's pretty interesting since we've debated so much on characters yet never talked about what we specifically wanted (Regardless of chance, unless It's completely ridiculous)

yoo avoid this (becuase some people will still start debates) I used a wishlist style.

Oh and we havent seen your 5 yet 3Koops

 

[n88]

@ Koopa numero tres

Would you happen to have a Top 5?

Does anybody else really want more newcomers under the unlockable characters department?
I mean, the only real surprises in Brawl were ROB, Lucario, and Wolf. Every other unlockable character was either a third-party character revealed long in advance (And pictured on the box) or a veteran fighter.

Lame.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

@ Koopa numero tres

Would you happen to have a Top 5?

Does anybody else really want more newcomers under the unlockable characters department?
I mean, the only real surprises in Brawl were ROB, Lucario, and Wolf. Every other unlockable character was either a third-party character revealed long in advance (And pictured on the box) or a veteran fighter.

Lame.

Agreed. 10charizards

 

[Big-Cat]

PS: KumaOso I agree with you on all your choices except Kumatora. I would like her in, but I wouldn't like it unless Mother 2 gets another character. I would like Porkey if anyone.

If I had my way, I'd make Paula and Kumatora alternate characters of Ness and Lucas, something which needs to be done badly in Smash. Still, I would consider Kumatora more appealing. I know this is a weak argument, but I wouldn't be surprised if the ignorant assumed she was Peach's little sister.

As for Porky, I don't understand you guys and the affinity for Porky. I understand Claus, but not Porky.