[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[n88]

Not a bad roster. I wouldn't include Tom Nook, Plusle & Minun, or Kamek, though.

Ness wasn't the WTF of SSB64, Jiglypuff was. Jiggly, Pichu, G&W, and ROB were the WTFs. It's possible that Sakurai will add another, but it's not a given.

 

[Hero Dude]

Kamek was added for the sake of another yoshi rep, Plusle and minun were just in there becouse I like them, and Tom nook was supposed to rep. animal crossing. Who do you suggest I replace them with.


Ness was not the WTF character of SSB64. Thats what we had jiggs for. The trend of having a WTF character in smash, really got kicked off in Melee.

sorry, didn't read your entire post.

 

[n88]

NEVER add a character just for rep. That has happened before, with ZSS, but I don't think it'll happen again. Sakurai has expressed doubt over Animal Crossing in Smash. It's not impossible, but I wouldn't put any money on it.

 

[Hero Dude]

You don't have to be nice to me becouse I am new. Tell me what you think.

I will take out P&M. Give me someone to replace them with. I remember seeing that sakurai considered Tom Nook, and the generic villager for brawl.

 

[Mowrt620]

An Animal Crosser would work, not tom nook tho

His moves...

B-Axe swing
Side B- Slingshot
Down B- Dig a hole and pop up from another area, like meta knight
Up B- Fishing rod tether, or......rapid swings with the net and go upwards

FS- Animal crossing stampede of townsfolk that run all around and cause havock

Tell me what u think

 

[n88]

I'm not being nice to you because you're new. That really is a better prediction than most people come up with. Your Pokemon series is a bit off. The best prediction would be this:

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer (Current Pokes)

And two-three of the following:

Mewtwo
Lucario
5th Gen Pokemon


I don't think that Pokemon will get more slots on the CSS than Mario. I suspect that Pokemon having too many characters was the reason Mewtwo got the axe in the first place.

 

[Tman1206]

not a bad move list for tom nook but dont you think his down b would be a little long...

 

[Mowrt620]

Hey, instead of Kamek for Yoshi, how 'bout baby mario and baby luigi, like ice climbers. SOme people have made some cool movesets 4 them, they would be cooler then kamek by far......oh, and Pokemon is getting overrepped, get rid of jigglypuff, who cares if she's a veteran?

 

[Hero Dude]

Well, Pokemon has to have the biggest universe of all the series in smash, so i figured it would get at least one more rep. than the others. With the pokemon series characters though, I tried to make it to where each gen got a rep.

If sakurai got his way, Mewtwo would have been in the game.

 

[Mowrt620]

not a bad move list for tom nook but dont you think his down b would be a little long...

It's for animal crosser, not tom nook, but the down b wouldn't be that long i dont think, whatever, thanks tho. Oh, who thinks that the dig dug guy would work? Just curious

 

[Hero Dude]

If you want jigglypuff gone then you are going to be disapointed.

 

[n88]

Yes, but Mario is Mr. Video Game. The Mario series is Mario's flagship franchise, and it gets recognition as such. Sakurai doesn't really care if all Pokemon gens have a rep, as indicated by no 2nd/3rd Gens in Brawl.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Well, you have to remember that it's not likely all the characters in Brawl will make it through to the next. Roy, Pichu, Dr. Mario and Young Link were clones, but Mewtwo was not. If the trend keeps up we might have to make a new designation called, "One timer," for someone who only appears in one installment.

@Mowrt620: No way. All the characters from Smash64 must make it through. They have to!

As for Animal Crossing, I really don't think it's very plausible. Sure, Resetti can knock your lights out for a couple of hours but his habit of keeping his lower half constantly underground would obviously not translate very well. Not sure who this 'Dig Dug' guy is, so I'll remain silent on that.

The Pokemon series will probably only be made up of Jiggs, Pikachu, one from the most recent gen, and a filler. If he does make it through, though, PT might have a change of Pokemon in his team.

 

[Hero Dude]

True. Well who do you suppose I put?

 

[Mowrt620]

Well, you have to remember that it's not likely all the characters in Brawl will make it through to the next. Roy, Pichu, Dr. Mario and Young Link were clones, but Mewtwo was not. If the trend keeps up we might have to make a new designation called, "One timer," for someone who only appears in one installment.

@Mowrt620: No way. All the characters from Smash64 must make it through. They have to!

As for Animal Crossing, I really don't think it's very plausible. Sure, Resetti can knock your lights out for a couple of hours but his habit of keeping his lower half constantly underground would obviously not translate very well.

Ummm....I didn't make a moveset for mr. resetti, It was for the general boy in animal crossing, that u play with.....duh
Why would mr. resetti be in?

 

[RuNNing Riot]

True. Well who do you suppose I put?

I believe Sakurai said himself that he didn't want any more than two third-party characters in the Smash games. That limit might be raised, but we can't assume too high...

@Mowrt: I know you didn't. I was giving an example. Resetti's probably the most likely candidate for the series, but his appearance can't be put into Brawl without ruining either game. You don't honestly want to see what his lower body is like, do you? :embarrass That's like Diglett's myth...

Oh yeah, as for character suggestions, I'm not really well versed in Nintendo's huge list of them, so I'm not going to try. There's still a ton of features that I could think of, though.

 

[Hero Dude]

I believe Sakurai said himself that he didn't want any more than two third-party characters in the Smash games. That limit might be raised, but we can't assume too high...

Source please.

P.S. We werent talking about that. I think that if another 3rd party gets in, it WILL be megaman.
Same with Tingle and Zelda, as with Retroand Little Mac.
I was talking about the pokemon series.

Should Advance Wars get a rep?

Resseti is not the most likely, being that he wasn't even considered to be playable in brawl.
Villager, Tom Nook, and KK Slider were.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

1. Welcome and nice avatar

2. Sakuari doesn't want a happy villager in a fighting game, if I recall he said that it wouldn't work/fit

3. P&M could easily be replaced with A. Deoxys B. a 3rd gen PT C. Gardevoir I know some aren't likely but I say they'd be better than P&M

4. I won't flame you for the place holder "New FE Lord" or your choices that's not something to get into right now.

I'm gonna stop with numbers.......

I really want Paper Mario in there but BJ's cool too, but PM is my top Mario/Mario Spin-off character

I REALLY hate Tingle, but I guess people like him, everyone else here knows who else I'd rather have, but I'll tell you since you don't, Vaati, Skull Kid, Toon Ganondorf,......Midna/Wolf Link....(Play Twilight Princess all the way through, you should know what I'm talking about)

I think Mother should get another character, there are some good ones

Yoshi w/ Babies=definite no

Ridley could have Meta like ZSS

You said you needed 4 more well here you go

Micaiah (Fire Emblem)
Ray (Custom Robo)
Saki (Sin & Punishment)
Claus (Mother)

Dang a lot passed while I was typing and that doesn't normally happen

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Source please.

IIRC. Sorry.

p.s. We werent talking about that. I think that if another 3rd party gets in, it WILL be megaman.
Same with tingle and zelda, and SNES and Little Mac.

If Nintendo holds another poll asking who the public want in the next game, then perhaps. I never really paid much attention to Megaman anyway, one old cartoon show I used to watch aside.

I was talking about the pokemon series.

As I said, it'll stay with Pika, Jiggs, a most recent gen's pokemon and probably a filler. PT is that filler now, can't be sure if he's going through. He might get a team change or something.

Should Advance Wars get a rep?

Don't know. I love the series, but we'll see.

Resseti is not the most likely, being that he wasn't even considered to be playable in brawl.
Villager, Tom Nook, and KK Slider were.

Source please.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Well that's because it really doesn't have that much material unless you count the total number of characters. The story in F-Zero isn't its focus, while Star Fox uses a lot of it. Heck, besides general piolet background, we never had anything that resembled character interaction. (....Unless you count that comic, which I guess does count, given the Falcon Flyer showing up so much)

Given that we already have three SF characters in comparison to our one F-Zero character, I think its fairly clear which Sakurai considers "worthy" and what not. >_>

I'm breaking my own rule already, I feel like a fat guy on a diet.


F-Zero material: 6 games, 2 add-ons, a 51 episode anime, a novel, and about 6 soundtracks or so
Star Fox material: 5 games, about 3 mangas/comics or so

That's what I mean by "Star Fox has less material than F-Zero." Less media, if you will. And there's definitely way more substance to that material beyond dudes racing for money.

As for whether F-Zero will continue getting the shaft, don't act like it's a sure thing. Could it happen again? Maybe. But Sakurai likes to change his focus on stuff.

** We got two new Kirby characters when during Melee everyone said "Kirby's getting the shaft!" Keep in mind Sakurai intended Dedede for 64 and had no reason not to include him in Melee. Now we've got Meta Knight on top of that.
** Look at how much Yoshi's Island content there was in 64/Melee. Now look at how much Yoshi's Story content there is in Brawl. While you're at it, compare how consistent the representation of SMB2 and SMB3 (the latter of which you expect a stage for in the next game) is between Melee and Brawl.
** The lack of F-Zero content in general is obvious enough for even non-fans to notice it (funny how it's the only established series without a song on the Dojo). Sakurai is always aware of stuff like that and he knows exactly how to compensate.

It's myopic to think the amount of focus a series receives (or subseries or individual game even) is constant.


Alright, no more debating from me from now on, I promise.

 

[Hero Dude]

Source please.

Characters Sakurai considered:

Koopa Troopa (Super Mario Bros. - 1985)
Hammer Bros. (Super Mario Bros. - 1985)
Toad (Super Mario Bros. 2 - 1988)
Petey Piranha (Super Mario Sunshine - 2002)
Vivian (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - 2005)
"Cel-Shaded" Link (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 2002)
Tetra (The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - 2002)
Link's Uncle (The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - 1991)
Ganon/Ganondorf (The Legend of Zelda/The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - 1986/1998)
Bow Wow the Chain Chomp (The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX - 1998)
Ridley (Metroid - 1986)
Sylux (Metroid Prime: Hunters - 2006)
Noxus (Metroid Prime: Hunters - 2006)
Weavel (Metroid Prime: Hunters - 2006)
Peppy Hare (Star Fox - 1993)
Slippy Toad (Star Fox - 1993)
Krystal (Star Fox Adventures - 2002)
Wolf O'Donnell (Star Fox 64 - 1997)
Diddy Kong (solo) (Donkey Kong Country - 1994)
Diddy Kong & Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country/Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest - 1994/1995)
King K. Rool (Donkey Kong Country - 1994)
Ninten (Mother - 1989)
Paula (Mother 2 [EarthBound in the U.S.] - 1994 [1995])
Jeff (Mother 2 [EarthBound in the U.S.] - 1994 [1995])
Poo (Mother 2 [EarthBound in the U.S.] - 1994 [1995])
Claus (Mother 3 - 2006)
Lucas (Mother 3 - 2006)
Princess Kumatora (Mother 3 - 2006)
King Dedede (Kirby's Dreamland - 1992)
Lololo & Lalala (Kirby's Dreamland - 1992)
Marx (Kirby Super Star - 1996)
Jeigan (Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi - 1990)
Oguma (Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi - 1990)
Nabarl (Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi - 1990)
Sheeda (Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi - 1990)
Maji (Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi - 1990)
Saji (Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi - 1990)
Sigurd (Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu - 1996)
Ike (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 2005)
Soren (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 2005)
Mia (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 2005)
The Black Knight (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 2005)
Gardevoir (Pokémon Ruby & Pokémon Sapphire - 2003)
Steven Stone (Pokémon Ruby & Pokémon Sapphire - 2003)
Black Shadow (F-Zero X - 1998)
Palutena (Kid Icarus - 1986)
Medusa (Kid Icarus - 1986)
Eggplant Wizard (Kid Icarus - 1986)Isaac (Golden Sun - 2001)
Felix (Golden Sun - 2001)
Little Mac (Punch-Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream - 1990)
Dragon Chan (Super Punch-Out!! - 1994)
Banker (Mario Paint - 1992)
Ray 01 (Custom Robo - 2004)
Captain Olimar (Pikmin - 2001)
Human Main Character (Animal Forest - 2001)
Tom Nook (Animal Forest - 2001)
K.K. Slider (Animal Forest - 2001)
Chibi-Robo (Chibi-Robo! - 2005)
Harry the Robot (Teleroboxer - 1995)
Doctor Wright (SimCity - 1991)**
Muddy (Mole Mania - 1996)
The Blue Virus (Dr. Mario - 1990)
Urban Fighters (Urban Champion - 1984)
Lip (Panel de Pon - 1995)
Furil (Nintendo Puzzle Collection: Panel de Pon - 2003)
Takamaru (Nazo no Murasamejou - 1986)
Demiru (Tomato Adventure - 2002)
Tomato Robot (Tomato Adventure - 2002)
Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight - 1993)
Donbe (Shin Oni ga Shima - 1987)
Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Tantei Club Part II: Ushiro ni Tatsu Shoujo - 1989)*
Jill (Screw Breaker [Drill Dozer in the U.S.] - 2005 [2006])
Ippongi Ryuta of Cheer Squad (Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan - 2005)
Hero/Heroine (Magical Vacation - 2001)
Professor Kawashima (Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day - 2006)
Master Hand (Super Smash Bros. - 1999)
Crazy Hand (Super Smash Bros. Melee - 2001)
#166 Golden Sun characters and/or Advance Wars infantrymen
#218 Famicom Tantei Club characters

Third Party Suggestions

Mega Man (Capcom) (Mega Man - 1987)
G-Red (Capcom) (Gotcha Force - 2003)
Simon Belmont (Konami) (Castlevania - 1986)
Power Pro-Kun (Konami) (Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu '94 - 1994)
Lupus (Rare) (Jet Force Gemini - 1999)
Geno (Square Enix, Inc.) (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars - 1996)
Mallow (Square Enix, Inc.) (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars - 1996)
Sora (Disney/Square Enix, Inc.) (Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories - 2004)
Magnus Gallant (Quest/Nintendo) (Ogre Battle 64: Person of Lordly Caliber - 2000)
Princess Katia (From Software) (Lost Kingdoms - 2002)
Kalas (tri-Crescendo/Monolith Soft) (Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean - 2003)
Thomas the Kung-Fu Master (Irem) (Spartan X [Kung-Fu in the U.S.] - 1985)

 

[BBQTV]

sora was considered?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I don't believe that list because of a couple of things i.e. Master and Crazy Hand

where'd you get it?

If it's true I'm glad he considered some of those FE characters
notice how no FE10 characters are there, I think they still have a chance now.

Mia would be awesome but probably won't happen......

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Im doubting that list as well, seeing as how jeigan is extraoridnarily random (and a bad unit in himself)

Also I saw something about Advanced wars above, and i think they should get a rep, Andy probs

 

[Jimnymebob]

That list is outdated now even if it is true.

Sakurai didn't really want Ness in Brawl or Melee, as Lucas was intended to replace him, so I doubt he'd put supporting characters from Earthbound in.

And everyone's heard the Ridley argument 100 times too many.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Im doubting that list as well, seeing as how jeigan is extraoridnarily random (and a bad unit in himself)

Also I saw something about Advanced wars above, and i think they should get a rep, Andy probs

I say they should stay AT material, but give em a better one for Smash sake.

FE Radiant Dawn characters are now not out of the question by that list.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

I doubt Radiant Dawn will be chosen when it becomes just another game in the series

AndAdvanced Wars presens itself as a semi-established series and is a new series that could use some repping in SSB

 

[Dokutayuu]

I say they should stay AT material, but give em a better one for Smash sake.

FE Radiant Dawn characters are now not out of the question by that list.

Contemporary lords are the only characters likely to get in from Fire Emblem. As much as I'd like to see characters like Marich or Oguma, other units aren't either new or well known enough to get a spot.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I doubt Radiant Dawn will be chosen when it becomes just another game in the series

AndAdvanced Wars presens itself as a semi-established series and is a new series that could use some repping in SSB

Well I think they only considered PoR characters at the time of development because RD had not come out yet, now I could be wrong but they were only a year apart in release (by Japanese since that's the first one to release, I think)

I'll throw Melee in there too
Melee: Nov 21 2001 (JP)
PoR: April 20 2005 (JP)
RD: Feb 27 2007 (JP)
Brawl: Jan 31 2008 (JP)

And seeing as how Ike has no cloned moves and was a "Newcomer Starter", he was probably put in early, (plus he look like he was from PoR) Even when RD was released I think the person they put in would have to be "cloned" in order to make it in, so why would Sakurai do that when he was supposedly already putting in Roy?

imo it's not too late.......it's never too late..........(ouch sorry about that)

Adv. Wars, maybe but I'd rather them just have a decent AT and that's that

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Well I think they only considered PoR characters at the time of development because RD had not come out yet, now I could be wrong but they were only a year apart in release (by Japanese since that's the first one to release, I think)

I'll throw Melee in there too
Melee: Nov 21 2001 (JP)
PoR: April 20 2005 (JP)
RD: Feb 27 2007 (JP)
Brawl: Jan 31 2008 (JP)

And seeing as how Ike has no cloned moves and was a "Newcomer Starter", he was probably put in early, (plus he look like he was from PoR) Even when RD was released I think the person they put in would have to be "cloned" in order to make it in, so why would Sakurai do that when he was supposedly already putting in Roy?

imo it's not too late.......it's never too late..........(ouch sorry about that)

Adv. Wars, maybe but I'd rather them just have a decent AT and that's that

The only problem is that we probably will get another Fire Emblem before we get another Smash, so character choices will be from the new game, not from the peneultimate game. Unless of course the new game blows.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

The only problem is that we probably will get another Fire Emblem before we get another Smash, so character choices will be from the new game, not from the peneultimate game. Unless of course the new game blows.

I'm hoping for another 3-D FE for the Wii, maybe a sequel to RD?

Well then how bout this?

Ike, Marth, Micaiah, New FE Lord OR Roy

or all 5 Or would that be a problem?

I'd rather have the newbies in this order:

Micaiah
Roy
*whatever new guy place holder*
ANY PoR or RD character pretty much
Lyn

You're probably right though about the new game blowing

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

I don't think the new game will suck....

Anyway the only problem with this logic is still that your assuming RD will have any signifigance once the new game comes out. We don't have any FE 8 characters because FE9 was already out. RD represents no real milestone for Fire Emblem as a series (While Fe1 is the first 9/10 were the newest, and 7 was the first American released game [and one of the best])

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I didn't mean it would just if it's not popular they might not get a character from it....

Well I guess we're axing Ike then huh? PoR doesn't have much significance now and apparently neither does RD. what if we just keep getting remakes that (well for me at least) aren't that great and not very interesting? Will we have to add them over Ike and his friends? Or Micaiah and hers?

So with that logic of yours this will be FE:

Marth
Roy?
Lyn?
*newbie place holder*

Actually it would be:
Marth
Lyn
New Guy

Marth because he's recent and his was the first game (right?)
Lyn because her game was 1st in America and really good
and the New Guy because s/he will be recent

Am I right?

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Path of Radiance has sort of a milestone, being the first 3D game, this could keep him in, it could not

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Ike will stay, I want him to and he should

Marth and Ike are staying

Roy will probably make his comeback with Mewtwo

Micaiah Vs Unknown New Guy

hmm then there's Lyn.......

FE is complicated

I'm gonna hafta resume this later

 

[Pieman0920]

Ike probably won't be cut. While I do think that Fire Emblem is one of the series that is goverend more than others by marketing, the fact is that he has two major things that seperate him from Roy's situation. One is that he was a main character in two FE games (Only Marth has had more with three, but in his case, it was actually the same story) The second is that unlike Roy, he isn't a clone, and its quite a waste to just up and get rid of a moveset like that. Now you could point to Mewtwo as a character who had his own moveset and got cut as well, but the situation for Pokemon is quite different from Fire Emblem, and the reasons Mewtwo was cut can't be transfered over to Ike fully. In addition, its also true that RD was not actually represented that much in Brawl, and thus SSB4 can have content from it. Given Ike's main characterr role in that game, it makes no sense to cut him.

Plus, its not like the FE roster can't go up to three next time. (I think four is pushing it though)

I'm breaking my own rule already, I feel like a fat guy on a diet.


F-Zero material: 6 games, 2 add-ons, a 51 episode anime, a novel, and about 6 soundtracks or so
Star Fox material: 5 games, about 3 mangas/comics or so

That's what I mean by "Star Fox has less material than F-Zero." Less media, if you will. And there's definitely way more substance to that material beyond dudes racing for money.

As for whether F-Zero will continue getting the shaft, don't act like it's a sure thing. Could it happen again? Maybe. But Sakurai likes to change his focus on stuff.

** We got two new Kirby characters when during Melee everyone said "Kirby's getting the shaft!" Keep in mind Sakurai intended Dedede for 64 and had no reason not to include him in Melee. Now we've got Meta Knight on top of that.
** Look at how much Yoshi's Island content there was in 64/Melee. Now look at how much Yoshi's Story content there is in Brawl. While you're at it, compare how consistent the representation of SMB2 and SMB3 (the latter of which you expect a stage for in the next game) is between Melee and Brawl.
** The lack of F-Zero content in general is obvious enough for even non-fans to notice it (funny how it's the only established series without a song on the Dojo). Sakurai is always aware of stuff like that and he knows exactly how to compensate.

It's myopic to think the amount of focus a series receives (or subseries or individual game even) is constant.


Alright, no more debating from me from now on, I promise.

....?

While it has more games (mind you that one of your six games there really doesn't count for what we are talking about, and two are in continuities that probably will have no focus) it story, and the material it has to work with is still much smaller. F-Zero is not a series driven (hurr) by story unless you count the anime, which even you admited probably won't factor into this. Virtually all the characters have a simple background story, and after that have no real character intereaction. Even Falcon himself, who actually has gotten to intereact with other characters, is pretty much a completely different character in his own series when you compare him to how he is in Smash. The Star Fox series on the other hand has less characters, but since they are constantly chatting with each other, and each story from each game (minus the original) tie into the next game.

The Kirby series was indeed getting the shaft, but unlike any other series we actually got a responce from Sakurai as to what the deal was in regards to him not giving it more than one character until Brawl. (Essentially because it was his own series, and he didn't want to look like he was favoring it over other series) While I don't recall getting any official explanation as to why he put both Dedede and MK in Brawl, I think most people are right to assume that he was treating it as his last Smash game. While this may not seem all too valid, given that he's said that he treats every Smash game as if it would be the last, I can't help but think that he focused on them more now due to the part that unlike back in Melee, he isn't a part of Nintendo now, and thus doesn't get to use his old creations unless contracted into a game like this.

For the thing on the Yoshi series....I'm not sure if I follow you. I guess its because....there was no Yoshi's Island content in 64/Melee, while there was no Story content (besides music) in Brawl. Instead both times it was focusing on the most recent "main" game, which at the time was Story at the time of 64/Melee, and YI2 at the time of Brawl. The one thing that doesn't fit in here is the SMW stage that was given to him in Melee, but given that several other series have had stages that go back to their series first game, its not that unheard of. (Even though SMW isn't the Yoshi series' first game...) I also don't get what you're trying to say with SMB2 and SMB3 there, since one just had a stage and music, while the other just had music....

The reason F-Zero didn't get a song on the Dojo is fairly clear in that Falcon wasn't a starting character, and thus F-Zero content was under wraps because of that. By the time we came to a part where we could get F-Zero music, there was little point, and thus we just got full song lists.

And I know that series focus isn't constant, but it does seem to be very connected to the games that actually come out at the time. Heck, even if F-Zero doesn't get a new game I still think it should get Goroh. The problem is you're saying that even in its current state, it should get four characters.

 

[Hero Dude]

Yeah, that list is outdated. It is from brawl. It is a bit unbelievable, I know, but all it shows are the characters that scored highest on the poll he held in Japan.

Someone tell me what we are argueing about so I may join in. I am a bit confused.
When I think of Advance wars characters, I think infantry, not Andy.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Ike will stay, I want him to and he should

Marth and Ike are staying

Roy will probably make his comeback with Mewtwo

Micaiah Vs Unknown New Guy

hmm then there's Lyn.......

FE is complicated

I'm gonna hafta resume this later

I never said Ike would leave, I said i's a possibility.

I do feel, however, that they will not add Micaiah and Ike seeing as they are from the same arc and Ike dwarfs Micaiah in importance and popularity. Micahia would eb addd soley for beign a magic user, which isn;t a very good reason to add her at all.

I could care less about Roy (I don't want him back but wouldnt mind it)

I feel the third rep should be Lyn unless a new Lord comes into the picture in a new and popular game.

EDIT: How would An infantry unit be a character?

 

[Hero Dude]

I think Mewtwo could return, based on how many people freaked out when he was taken out, but roy doesn't have very good chances to return. Not unless Nintendo pulls a fast one and decides to redo the games and send them overseas, such as with Shadow Dragon. (Wich isn't very likely) Plus, Mewtwo is going to be even more popular now that you can catch him in the new games.

 

[DekuBoy]

Infantry could be nteresting. You could get 3 units, and swap between them Like, Grunt, Rocket and flamethrower.