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Yeah, Sheik was in one of the most popular and well reviwed games of all time, while Kiddy was in the Donkey Kong Country that seems to rank third in most people's lists....though don't get me wrong, it wasn't a bad game.
Well, If Sakurai doesn't make changes because he feels certain characters are "complete" with thier movesets (He did change Mario's, perhaps because he felt Mario was not complete without FLUDD), then he might change Diddy because he feels Diddy is not complete without Dixie. The obscure bannana toss is something (I think) he felt didn;t fit Diddy well so he might take it away if he can get the cincept to work.
Donbe & Hikari makes sense as duo characters, I'd think. So would the Baby Bros. Wouldn't you agree?
I think he added that not because he thought Mario was incomplete, but to make Mario more of an individual. I didn't have a problem with Mario and Luigi having tornado as their down special in Melee, but I think it's better that Mario has FLUDD (even though I don't really like it). Hopefully he'll get something else for SSB4.
So you're thinking something like Viewtiful Joe huh? That could work.
Can I ask you why you don't think either of the two should be playable or why you don't consider them worthy? I'm curious.
I'm all for clones if it makes sense, actually. Though I don't think using hammers would immediately make them clones, otherwise I would consider DDD to be a IC clone. Plus, I see them using chain chomps, the Goo-Goo Buggy (their kart), etc. alongside their usage of hammers, so it's not like they'd be flat-out imitations.
No one wants either pair. Plus the whole "Sakurai is very hesitant to add JP only characters" thing (let alone JP only characters with only one retro game) for D&H.
The problem is that for standard attacks, the babies would pretty much have to use hammers, because ...well you can't really expect a baby to punch or kick that much, can you? Given that they would also be a tag team just like Popo & Nana, and thus would have to have a moveset that wasn't ovelry broken if the two synched up, it only make sense to make them clones. Incidently, the idea of the Hammer Bros also sort of falls into this, though they have the whole hammer throwing thing going for them. Perhaps their specials would be different, but I can't see them not having their regular moves borrow heavily from the ICs.
By that logic, every sword user in the game would have to be based off of Marth.
Man, Sakurai needs to get over his hesitance and stop creating BS superficial limitations. I say this not only for D&H, but for other characters and games. Smash is a game where Nintendo characters battle it out. Let me say that again, a game where Nintendo characters battle it out. Characters like Donbe & Hikari aren't viable because people don't know them? Baby Bros. aren't viable because there isn't a big enough clamor for them? It's silly. Characters old or new, international or obscure should all be practicable.
Punch, kick, headbutt.--these are things the Baby Bros. could do easily. I should probably mention that they can also use tennis rackets, golf clubs, baseball bats, etc. Again, clones don't necessarily bother me as long as it makes sense.
Baby Mario and Baby Luigi, and they'll be Yoshi characters.
Mario and Luigi Jr.? I just thought the baby bros. existed.
im not trolling and their baby versions of mario and luigi
I'm not really sure fi they do or not, I just recall an arguement awhile back (not here). It about Mario Jr. and Luigi Jr. and he person who mistakenly called the the Jr.'s the baby bros. was flamed to hell. I didn't want to make the mistake too....though i havent found anything on any jr. bros either...
No, we're not. Marth and Roy barely made it over. Lucas is an addition to an existing series. Turns out people prefer characters they've probably heard of from games they have an opportunity to play.
You want one of those 70+ character rosters? If the standard is low enough for characters like those, that's what we'll end up getting.
Who had the opportunity to play MOTHER 3 besides the importers?
You could also ask why all the R.O.B. love when you don't take into account his Trojan Horse origins.
Funny you say that. The rules for inclusion are rather broad.
No one, that's the whole point. People would be rather pissed if we kept piling on all the JP only characters instead of characters everyone had access to.
What does R.O.B. have to do with JP only characters?
It's not as broad as you might think it is. People just have a tendency to believe and preach stuff that allows or denies certain characters. In order to justify some of the really wacky choices, they lower their standards... and that means justifying some even more wacky choices. Suddenly "the rules" become rather broad indeed.
That assumes that F-Zero is somehow less worthy of having characters compared to other series because it's "half-dead." Funny how a series with more material than Star Fox is inferior because it hasn't had a game on the DS or Wii yet.
I think Kuma is trying to explain that R.O.B was as obscure as those other characters yet managed to be included. Yes he may have "saved the video game industry" and starred in 2 games, but how many people do you actually think knew about R.O.B? Now, a counter point to this is to point out he did cameo as a racer in Mario Kart DS proceeding Brawl which might have introduced him to the public. Overall that appearance alone did not popularize him to the level of being expected, but it obviously is more than Lucas, Marth, and Roy had before Melee.
He was in Kirby's Dream Land 3? Wow, that is interesting.
Yep. There was a mission where you had to collect all his parts for a star.
Ness was a joke? Besides there hasn't always been a joke character, people just came up with it when they thought a character was obscure, i.e. R.O.B. G&W.
Well that's because it really doesn't have that much material unless you count the total number of characters. The story in F-Zero isn't its focus, while Star Fox uses a lot of it. Heck, besides general piolet background, we never had anything that resembled character interaction. (....Unless you count that comic, which I guess does count, given the Falcon Flyer showing up so much)
Hmm? Which series are you talking about? Most of the retro series are fully dead, rather than "half dead" and they got a character and a stage, just like F-Zero. Now I wouldn't really count F-Zero as half dead at the time of Brawl, since it did get new games inbetween Melee and Brawl, but if it really doesn't get anything in this generation, I would honestly consider it half dead, much like Metroid was. (And Metroid mind you only had one character inbetween SSB1 and Melee when it was in its half dead state)
A joke character is a weak character put in as a joke, or for some weird reason. Pichu,
