[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Cyn]

I doubt Mother will get a new rep.

But I REALLY don't feel like getting into that. Thats why I have treid to change the subject twice already.
HINT HINT

I don't think that any of the franchises needs anynew reps imo. What I'd like to see as far as new characters go is new franchises repped altogether. Either that or bring back a few characters that have dead franchises, so they can see some new light.

Edit: with pokemon being the exception. They always have newcomers that revitalize the game
Or have a few more 3rd party reps that had their begginings and first success with the big N

 

[Arcadenik]

*GASP* I forgot TTYD!

I change my mind. Fith best game EVER.

Vivian was considered actually, if you saw that on the list I posted a while ago.

NEW TOPIC: If you could have any pokemon character in smash 4, who would it be, and why.
(They have to have atleast some small chances, EX: No spiritomb or anything.)

Eevee. He is my favourite pokemon, and I guess you can consider him a character in Gale of Darkness. (Wich isn't why I picked him.)

I would want him in even before Mewtwo. Wich won't happen.
He has a fanbase though, even if it is small.

Ha! This is too easy.

Pikachu
Red (Squirtle, Ivysaur, Charizard)
Meowth
Gold (Chikorita, Quilava, Feraligatr)
Mewtwo

Pikachu vs. Meowth. That's what I want to see. Meowth is awesome. Meowth would have to fight with scratches (it is a Scratchcat Pokemon) and use variations of Pay Day as its specials. The standard Pay Day move from the Pokemon games (the one which Meowth throws a coin straight ahead) would work as its B move. Fury Swipes could be Meowth's version of Marth's side B move. Meowth's Pay Day from SSB64 would be perfect for its down B. Meowth's Faint Attack could work like Pikachu's Quick Attack. And Meowth's Final Smash would have Meowth throw a bunch of coins like it did in Brawl.

Red vs. Gold. Squirtle vs. Chikorita. Ivysaur vs. Quilava. Charizard vs. Feraligatr. That's what I want to see. Gold would be perfect as the so-called "Pokemon Rival" and HeartGold/SoulSilver is coming out very soon! This would be like the epic final battle from the original Gold/Silver where Gold battled Red at Mt. Silver.

Mewtwo. Do I need to explain this? Well, all right... I think it would be epic to see Mewtwo as a villain in the story mode and all the Pokemon (Pikachu, Meowth, Kanto and Johto starters) teaming up against Mewtwo. All Mewtwo needs is some improvements... gain more weight and improve Disable (let Mewtwo disable the opponents from behind, not only in the front) and Confusion (this move needs to work like Mario's Cape where the reflected projectiles actually hurts the opponent). To be frank, though, I wouldn't really mind if Mewtwo didn't show up in SSB4 and we got a 5th gen Pokemon instead... if I wanted to play as Mewtwo, I can just go play Melee. No problem!

Yeah, that's what I think would be awesome for SSB4. Eight iconic Pokemon that happen to be the starters in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games plus Mewtwo.

Pikachu, Red, Meowth, Gold, and Mewtwo for SSB4!

At the risk of getting back into the F-Zero topic, why exactly do you think that Samurai Goroh makes it a must for Black Shadow and Jody? His relation to Falcon doesn't require either of the other two, as its just Hero versus Rival. Even if it was Falcon/BS or Falcon/Jody, it still wouldn't really mean that the other hypothetical two characters would be neccesary either. The only technical group that both Falcon and Goroh both belong to is the original four racers, along with Dr. Stewart and Pico, and even then, I don't think there's any problem with not including those last two. And technically by this logic of unbalancing things and needing new characters to "complete" a series, who exactly are you saying would need to counteract Ridley from getting into Metroid?

It is like "if Wario is in, then Waluigi have to be in, too!" or "if Lucas is in, then Claus have to be in, too!" A better example would be Zero Suit Samus. She was added before Ridley. So the fans complained that she got in before Ridley. So if you added Jody Summer before Samurai Goroh, the fans will complain that she got in before him.

If X is in, then Y have to be in, too!

If X is in before Y, then Y must get in, too!

 

[Hero Dude]

No matter how much I want him to burn in hell, Jigglypuff won't. He won't quit following around the Smash series.
He isn't ever. I would much rather have ANY pokemon in existance than Jigglypuff, but it won't happen.

 

[Arcadenik]

You know... Jigglypuff is actually one of my favorite characters in Brawl but I still want her gone in SSB4. I can always go back to play SSB64, Melee, and Brawl if I wanted to play as Jigglypuff. I just want to play as Meowth... even if it might be removed in SSB5 due to fans BAWWWing about Meowth replacing Jigglypuff in SSB4, at least I could go back and play as Meowth in SSB4.

 

[Hero Dude]

but Sakurai isn't bright enough to know what we want.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Sin and Punishment was Japan only, but it's VC release made it international, so to speak. It'll continue it's internationality with S&P2. The game is also critically acclaimed, and nowhere near as obscure as you make it seem. Oh, and plenty of westerners had no clue who Stafy was prior Brawl.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure it'll be Saki. I guess what I'm saying is if it weren't Saki, would you be okay with Isa? I wouldn't mind him all too much.

About Punch-Out!!, anybody got a good moveset for Lil Mac I could look at? I have a good idea of how he'd play, but I want to see what others think.

No he isn't, given the fact that Ninten could and probably would be re-designed much like Pit if he were to be added to SSB4. You honestly think they'll add him the way he is now?

Isa would be fine for S&P Rep IF he somehow gets in before; And I'd like to see a LM Moveset too.

Pit wasn't really that much "Redesigned" Just turned into 3-d. If you did that with ninten, he'd basically be ness but shorter with a hankerchief and more stripes.

I doubt Mother will get a new rep.

But I REALLY don't feel like getting into that. Thats why I have treid to change the subject twice already.
HINT HINT

I don't want to talk abot SAP either. The character slot should go to someone else,IMO.

As I said, I doubt mother will get a new rep as well, but I'm just saying If we do who It'll be.

Anyhow, new topic? Hmm...Previously, I stated an idea for people to hiave more control over assist-trophies, so they wouldn't just be "POKEMON BUT WITH MOAR CRUSHED DREAMS" - Thoughts?

No matter how much I want him to burn in hell, Jigglypuff won't. He won't quit following around the Smash series.
He isn't ever. I would much rather have ANY pokemon in existance than Jigglypuff, but it won't happen.

The original 12 aint going anywhere. If they were to go somewhere, It would've been in melee with ness.

...Tho If I was to make a completely bias roster, I'd take smeargle over any of the pokemon we have currently anyday. /bias

It is like "if Wario is in, then Waluigi have to be in, too!" or "if Lucas is in, then Claus have to be in, too!" A better example would be Zero Suit Samus. She was added before Ridley. So the fans complained that she got in before Ridley. So if you added Jody Summer before Samurai Goroh, the fans will complain that she got in before him.

If X is in, then Y have to be in, too!

If X is in before Y, then Y must get in, too!

But the thing is unlike everyone else you mentioned, everybody knows now with priority that Ness/Lucas > Claus > etc with mother. Nobody's complaining that lucas got in over claus asides from a small minority. Heck, I'm very happy with lucas's moveset despite PK Fire/Thunder/Freeze not being his. His A Moves just seem to work with the whole "Rhythm Battles" In M3.

It's not that we're suddenly requesting it, It's that "Y Can't get in without X and Z, but now we have X and Z, and Y would be a great addition to this franchise's representation!...But there's characters from other series that have higher-ups first!"

edit:

You know... Jigglypuff is actually one of my favorite characters in Brawl but I still want her gone in SSB4. I can always go back to play SSB64, Melee, and Brawl if I wanted to play as Jigglypuff. I just want to play as Meowth... even if it might be removed in SSB5 due to fans BAWWWing about Meowth replacing Jigglypuff in SSB4, at least I could go back and play as Meowth in SSB4.

Hello Downloadable Content - It's a way so we can have most 1st party character's that are viable, but it seems that not everybody has caught onto it.

Seriously, take for instance tingle. Fans of him can buy (or just download) him while other's can ignore him. Problem solved (Cept on wi-fi)

but Sakurai isn't bright enough to know what we want.

Uh, that's because he mainly took the melee poll's into consideration, and from fatmanonice's "Mentions in sakurai's journal" We did get 3 of the top 7 (If he wants to bring the full thing or so up here he can) Take a look;

King Dedede (5 - Or was this ridley? I know geno got five)
Geno (5)
Claus (4)
Krystal (4)
Ridley (4)
Diddy Kong (4)
Ike (4)

3 Got in, Mother still got Lucas and a Kid Claus alt, Starfox still got wolf and kept Falco, Mario at least got wario (WW But w/e) and a bunch of stages, Metroid got more representation boss AND Stage-wise, and still got ZSS. Most newcomer's we got were quite requested at one point or another. (Do I have to go over all of them? )

I'd say that's pretty listening. He's not the most listening I've seen but It's surely something.

 

[Hero Dude]

The "oldcomers" poll

1. Kirby
2. Ness
3. Link
4. Captain Falcon
5. Pikachu
6. Samus
7. Luigi
8. Mario
9. Fox
10. Yoshi
11. Jigglypuff
12. DK

(Odd results by the way...)

Now, The "newcomers" poll

Repeated rankings mean ties.

1. Bowser
2. Princess Peach
3. Wario
4. King Dedede
5. Ganon (Ganondorf)
6. James Bond
6. Mewtwo
8. Banjo & Kazooie
9. Toad
10. Mew
11. Marth
12. Mr Saturn
12. Ash - Pokemon series protagonist
12. Random Fire Emblem characters
15. Goey
16. Diddy Kong
16. SUKAPON OH MY
18. Random Pokémon
19. Metaknight
19. Lugia

Then, at the end of the poll, Sakurai makes some comments, saying that that top requested characters like Mewtwo, Peach, Wario, Koopa and Dedede were planned for SSB64 but they got problems. That's interesting for sure. It will be funny to know how pissed were the Wario fans after noticing that he didn't appeared in Melee, while Peach did. Lame.

And the last count, "newcomers" sorted by series.

Super Mario Bros.
1. Bowser
2. Peach
3. Wario
4. Toad
5. Koopa Troopa
6. Magikoopa
7. Goomba
8. Geno
9. Mallow
10. Baby Mario

Pokémon
1. Mewtwo
2. Mew
3. Ash
4. Random Pokémon
5. Lugia
6. Meowth
7. Raichu
8. Maril
8. Bulbasaur
8. Togepi

Legend of Zelda:
1. Ganon
2. Young Link
2. Princess Zelda
2. Sheik
5. Darunia

Kirby
1. King Dedede
2. Goey
3. Metaknight
4. Random Kirby companions
5. Waddle Dee

MOTHER
1. Mr Saturn
2. Poo
3. Mother 2 other protagonists
3. Paula
4. Starman
4. Jeff

Star Fox
1. Falco
2. Slippy
3. Wolf
4. Peppy

Fire Emblem:
1. Marth
2. Random Fire Emblem Characters
3. Oguma
4. Celice
5. Sigurd
5. Leaf

RARE related
1. 007 James Bond
2. Banjo & Kazooie
3. Diddy Kong
4. Robot of Blast Corps
4. 006 Trevelyan

Other series
1. Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight)
2. Lip (Panel de Pon)
3. Richard Ougi (A Bell tolls for the Frogs)
4. Metroid (Metroid includes baby Metroid)
4. Blacky (Wrecking Crew)
6. Pit (Kid Icarus)
6. Ogre (Shin Oni ga Shima)
6. The Marvelous Party
9. Samurai Goroh (F-Zero)
9. Popo & Nana (oh yeah)
9. Balloon Fighter protagonist

Characters not belonging to Nintendo
1. Chocobo
2. Doraemon
3. Bomberman
4. Crash Bandicoot
5. Sonic
5. Megaman

These are the ACTUAL Melee poll results.

I found these not too long ago, and was REALLY REALLY suprised.

 

[DekuBoy]

Well, the problem is, that fans only concentrate on what they don't get, not what they DO get.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Well, the problem is, that fans only concentrate on what they don't get, not what they DO get.

Which we did get more in brawl as oppossed to melee. It was probably just all the hype generated.

*Long post of melee

The stuff I posted was of brawl but wow that reminded me of some things interesting. Told you all Sukapon was pretty requested.

Sukapon for wtf char.

 

[Hero Dude]

It's like that with Children and Fanboys. It always will be. Did you read that list?

@The third: Sakurai also said that Sukapon wasn't likely, but he didn't say why.
He said not to expect him in the future.

He was also mad that in the poll, Oguma outvoted Nabarl, Nabarl being his fave.
Same with brawl actually.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

It's like that with Children and Fanboys. It always will be. Did you read that list?

Yeah, as said, the one I posted is of the top 7 most wanted for brawl, but I have to admit I found a lot interesting from the melee one (Slippy Toad over Wolf? )

Also interesting how Magikoopa/Kamek is listed under mario, along with baby mario.

 

[Hero Dude]

Sabole Prince (For the Frog the Bell Tolls)

WOULD BE BEASTLY!

P.S. Uh, that's because he mainly took the melee poll's into consideration, and from fatmanonice's "Mentions in sakurai's journal" We did get 3 of the top 7 (If he wants to bring the full thing or so up here he can) Take a look;

Thats what you wrote.........you said Melee.

 

[Big-Cat]

@The third: Sakurai also said that Sukapon wasn't likely, but he didn't say why.
He said not to expect him in the future.

I think we can still expect him to show up. Remember, this was said back in 2001, eight years ago. Technology changes and it's more than likely that Sukapon could be programmed in. If there's a damage box concern, I would put it around the entire body, not just the limbs.

By the way, I just want to say this again to the people of this thread: Stop trying to "predict" the roster so much. A lot of you guys have some particular criteria and also looking too much in the choices for Brawl rosters. For all we know, there may not be much to it. By trying to be realistic, most of the rosters I see are rather bland. I would've expected a majority of them to show up anyway.

I would add some characters not many would expect like Sukapon, Lip, and Tom Nook. After all, who expected R.O.B. to be playable?

Another thing, we should be less concerned about the characters, and more so about the gameplay. It doesn't make a difference if you have 50 characters, but the gameplay doesn't improve (or worsens) at all.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Sabole Prince (For the Frog the Bell Tolls)

WOULD BE BEASTLY!

P.S. Uh, that's because he mainly took the melee poll's into consideration, and from fatmanonice's "Mentions in sakurai's journal" We did get 3 of the top 7 (If he wants to bring the full thing or so up here he can) Take a look;

Thats what you wrote.........you said Melee.

Oh, to clear confusion I mean by the Top 7 on the brawl poll's for people who'd say "HEY THOSE WERE MELEE POLLS WE WANT DIFFERENT CHARACTER'S NOW" Showing that he took somewhat of a listening into the brawl polls/suggestions along with melee's.

And the cycle is suspected to continue If sakurai once again plans early, by using brawl's polls/journal and some Smash 4/melee stuff.

And sukapon's unlikely for the same reason Ridley is (Cept worse apparently) - Programming issues. =[

edit:

*stuff*

Another thing, we should be less concerned about the characters, and more so about the gameplay. It doesn't make a difference if you have 50 characters, but the gameplay doesn't improve (or worsens) at all.

I agree that the speculation is pretty far out; I mean sakurai seems to have different critera's than we do, but to be fair, most of the characters asides from ROB and PT (Heck I thought PT Had a chance) Would be in.

But non-character discussion, about gameplay (Hey I wrote a whole post un-roster related once that was huge); For starter's remove tripping...Or at least make a frickin on and off switch for it, oh and better online plz.

 

[Cyn]

Sadly any characters I'd really like to see in the next smash that I think would bring a lot of new things to the table with them don't stand a chance probably ie someone from castlevania, M-308 freom metal storm......

 

[ScoobyCafe]

Isa would be fine for S&P Rep IF he somehow gets in before; And I'd like to see a LM Moveset too.

I have a pretty good idea of how Lil Mac will play. I see him being a horrid jumper, much like Bowser, therefore has a bad aerial game. However, his ground game would be top notch, filled with fast, hard hitting normals, and charging offensive and defensive attacks.

If he ends up being a mix of Balrog/Dudley and Punch-Out!!, I will main and dominate with him.

Pit wasn't really that much "Redesigned" Just turned into 3-d. If you did that with ninten, he'd basically be ness but shorter with a hankerchief and more stripes.

Pit's Melee 3-D model

Compare that to Brawl Pit, and you can clearly see he was re-designed. I see Ninten getting the same treatment; he's old enough for it.

Anyhow, new topic? Hmm...Previously, I stated an idea for people to hiave more control over assist-trophies, so they wouldn't just be "POKEMON BUT WITH MOAR CRUSHED DREAMS" - Thoughts?

I mentioned before how I think the d-pad could work with ATs; map them to a direction while other directions could be used for other things.

I'm trying to think what requirements are needed to use them, though.

The stuff I posted was of brawl but wow that reminded me of some things interesting. Told you all Sukapon was pretty requested.

Sukapon for wtf char.

This will happen.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2cx8c9e.jpg

And this will be his alt. costume. <3

 

[Hero Dude]

@ niceguy: I hear you. My top two hoped characters are Demiru from Tamato Adventure, and Muddy Mole from MoleMania. Although Sakurai said something about MoleMania being one of his Fave games, neither of them are likely, and I've given up on them.

I would like Sukapon, But not if it means no Little Mac.

 

[Big-Cat]

@ niceguy: I hear you. My top two hoped characters are Demiru from Tamato Adventure, and Muddy Mole from MoleMania. Although Sakurai said something about MoleMania being one of his Fave games, neither of them are likely, and I've given up on them.

I would like Sukapon, But not if it means no Little Mac.

What makes you say they're unlikely? Just because they're obscure in the West and possibly Japan?

Anyway, assuming that we only get one token "Retro Rep" in, Little Mac would not be that character. He's been brought back. He's not retro anymore.

 

[Arcadenik]

By the way, I just want to say this again to the people of this thread: Stop trying to "predict" the roster so much. A lot of you guys have some particular criteria and also looking too much in the choices for Brawl rosters. For all we know, there may not be much to it. By trying to be realistic, most of the rosters I see are rather bland. I would've expected a majority of them to show up anyway.

I would add some characters not many would expect like Sukapon, Lip, and Tom Nook. After all, who expected R.O.B. to be playable?

That is funny you said this. Just yesterday, I posted this...

Is this the roster most of you want in SSB4? No removing/replacing characters because we cannot have people BAWWWing all over the Internet for years to come... keep everyone from Brawl and add Mewtwo and Roy plus the following characters:

:random: either Toad, Bowser Jr., or Paper Mario
:random: either Dixie Kong or King K. Rool but we could have both if Dixie Kong is teamed with Diddy Kong
:random: either Toon Zelda or Tingle
:random::random: Ridley and Little Mac
:random: either Starfy or a new franchise rep
:random: either Samurai Goroh or Black Shadow because apparently it is not fair to add a 4th Star Fox rep if f-Zero only has one rep
:mewtwo: Mewtwo (or replace either Mewtwo or Lucario with a future 5th gen Pokemon)
Roy (or replace either Ike or Roy with a future New Lord)
:random: Mega Man

This is bland. I would love to remove/replace characters and add several popular characters plus some unexpected characters in SSB4. Now this roster below is not as bland as the roster above but I am afraid it is not as popular as the roster above. Ah, such is my dream!

:random: add Toad, not Bowser Jr. nor Paper Mario, so to complete the Mario Big 8

:random: :random: :random: add Dixie Kong and King K. Rool to complete the Donkey Kong Country trilogy and add Starfy, too, because it is a very popular international (it is not Japan-only anymore) franchise with five games out

:random: add Captain Rainbow to the two captains, also Yoshi and Wario don't need more characters

:random: add Tingle so to complete the whole set... the Triforce trio for the realistic Zelda games, Toon Link for the toon Zelda games, and Tingle for the Tingle games

:random: :random: add Little Mac and Takamaru so to complete the Famicom set and to go with Captain Rainbow

add nothing because these two franchises are complete

:random: add the future new Lord here as to stay true to tradition where the latest lord is replaced with the next latest lord.... replace Falco or Wolf with Krystal but that is optional

:random: :mewtwo: add Meowth, Gold and his 2nd gen starters, and Mewtwo (a bunch of future 5th gen Pokemon can get in as Pokeball Pokemon instead)

:random: :random: add the Duck Hunt Dog as the new WTF character and add Mega Man as the new third-party character

 

[Hero Dude]

But he will be in. IMO

 

[Arcadenik]

What makes you say they're unlikely? Just because they're obscure in the West and possibly Japan?

Anyway, assuming that we only get one token "Retro Rep" in, Little Mac would not be that character. He's been brought back. He's not retro anymore.

I agree. Little Mac would have been retro back in 2005-2007 when Sakurai was making the Brawl roster. But he is not retro anymore. He got a new game on the Wii and even got a WiiWare game with Doc Louis just this year. Little Mac is 99.9% in SSB4 now. I hope King Hippo would get in as a boss. Not sure about Assist Trophy... I will go with Super Macho Man.

 

[Cyn]

What kind of specials would LMac have? I'm only really familiar with the old game, i ve played the new one and didn't think it was that special. So far I think he would be a rather boring character, even though he is popular. I'd really like to see how they would make him more 3 dimentional in terms of fighting skill and abilities

 

[Big-Cat]

That is funny you said this. Just yesterday, I posted this...

This is bland. I would love to remove/replace characters and add several popular characters plus some unexpected characters in SSB4. Now this roster below is not as bland as the roster above but I am afraid it is not as popular as the roster above. Ah, such is my dream!

:random: add Toad, not Bowser Jr. nor Paper Mario, so to complete the Mario Big 8

:random: :random: :random: add Dixie Kong and King K. Rool to complete the Donkey Kong Country trilogy and add Starfy, too, because it is a very popular international (it is not Japan-only anymore) franchise with five games out

:random: add Captain Rainbow to the two captains, also Yoshi and Wario don't need more characters

:random: add Tingle so to complete the whole set... the Triforce trio for the realistic Zelda games, Toon Link for the toon Zelda games, and Tingle for the Tingle games

:random: :random: add Little Mac and Takamaru so to complete the Famicom set and to go with Captain Rainbow

add nothing because these two franchises are complete

:random: add the future new Lord here as to stay true to tradition where the latest lord is replaced with the next latest lord.... replace Falco or Wolf with Krystal but that is optional

:random: :mewtwo: add Meowth, Gold and his 2nd gen starters, and Mewtwo (a bunch of future 5th gen Pokemon can get in as Pokeball Pokemon instead)

:random: :random: add the Duck Hunt Dog as the new WTF character and add Mega Man as the new third-party character

I'm okay with this roster, but let me put my input in with each number referring to each column:

1. I'm okay with this one, but I'd add Bowser Jr. in anyway.
2. Perfectly fine with this one.
3. I'd go with either Mona, Capt. Syrup, or Capt. Rainbow. The former two are quite popular, or so I've heard, with the Wario fanbase.
4. I'm iffy with Tingle. If this guy becomes a Dan Hibiki and not a Pichu, then by all means bring him in.
5. Little Mac is not part of the Famicom set anymore since he's been brought back. No other problems though aside from the lack of Ridley.
6. I think the Kirby series is complete. The MOTHER series is up in the air. You could include Claus or Kumatora in. We may also get a MOTHER 4 in the future so I wouldn't say anything yet.
7. There's no tradition for the FE Lords considering that Roy was planned for Brawl. We may every well have four FE characters next time. I'd replace Wolf, make him an alt. or alt. style for Fox, and put in Krystal.
8. I'm all for Meowth, but Jiggs need to be in. I was against the O12 idea, but I'm not anymore. I'll put up my roster to show what I want.
9. I'm iffy on the Dog. Of course, that's your personal preference and I respect that.

Here's what I'd like to see
Mario:
:random::random: - The last two are Toad and Bowser Jr.
DK:
:random: :random: - The last two are Dixie and K.Rool
Yoshi

Wario
:random: - The random would either go to Mona or Capt. Syrup
Zelda
/:shiek::random::random: - The last two are Tingle and Midna who I think is the next Sheik.
Metroid:
/:random:- The random is Ridley
Kirby

Starfox
:random: - The random is Krystal. Wolf become an alt./alt. style
MOTHER

Pokemon
:mewtwo:()(ichu::random - The second Pokemon Trainer is Green (Blue in Japan) and the random is up in the air. Possible a 5th gen Pokemon or whatever.
Fire Emblem

F-Zero
:random: - The random is Goroh
Retro:
:random: - The random is either Takamaru or Sukapon
Third Party
:random::random: - I see no more than two more 3rd party characters. The first one is Megaman. The second is up in the air. It could be Crash Bandicoot for all we know.
Miscellaneous
Isaac
Saki
Tom Nook
Lip
Demille
Olimar
Starfy

@thirdKoopa,
I'd love to see your gameplay ideas.

 

[Hero Dude]

There is no need to make him anymore 3D than he already is.
Umm........Punches?
His new game was awsome, if you didn't like it then you didn't like the original, unless it is the wii aspect you don't like.
Star Punches would have atleast something to do with his moveset.

 

[Cyn]

There is no need to make him anymore 3D than he already is.
Umm........Punches?
His new game was awsome, if you didn't like it then you didn't like the original, unless it is the wii aspect you don't like.
Star Punches would have atleast something to do with his moveset.

That's what I mean, so is his only thing going to be punches.....and then his specials are going to consist of better stronger punches? Sounds boring to me

 

[Xyro77]

Megaman
Krystal
Isaac(he had an assist AND song in brawl, ADD HIM ALREADY)
Add one of the hunters from metroid hunters or prime 3
Toad
Dixey
Geno(isnt there smrpg hidden music in brawl?)
bring back roy



but what people really need to worry about is the fact the next nintendo console will not support GCN controls. I fear we will lose ALOT of players.

~xyro

 

[Hero Dude]

As far as I know, Bowser has like 2 kicks in his current moveset.
Just becouse he is a Boxer, it doesn't mean he can't have 1 or 2 kicks.

But basically yeah. Punches. That won't be boring in my book.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

6. I think the Kirby series is complete. The MOTHER series is up in the air. You could include Claus or Kumatora in. We may also get a MOTHER 4 in the future so I wouldn't say anything yet.

1)From what I recall, the creator of mother has specifically said that MOTHER 3 Is the last one
2)If any one of them are getting in It's claus
3)Mother Is not a "Complete" Series yet, I agree on that.

@thirdKoopa,
I'd love to see your gameplay ideas.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=8516793&postcount=25885 Have fun. I could easily think of other things to add as well/add to the fighting style of smash.

Seriously; While I partake in the char discussion a lot in this thread now, I REALLY Care more for the direction Stage Builder or Online are taken to next game.

I have a pretty good idea of how Lil Mac will play. I see him being a horrid jumper, much like Bowser, therefore has a bad aerial game. However, his ground game would be top notch, filled with fast, hard hitting normals, and charging offensive and defensive attacks.

If he ends up being a mix of Balrog/Dudley and Punch-Out!!, I will main and dominate with him.

That'd be pretty awesome. Interested in seeing what his specials and whatnot would be.

Pit's Melee 3-D model

*Pic*

Compare that to Brawl Pit, and you can clearly see he was re-designed. I see Ninten getting the same treatment; he's old enough for it.

*Compares* K, I don't really notice anything "Beyond Major" As it sticks to the original design. If you say, bring ninten (who by clay figures looks basically close to ness) then you have a character that'll still look insanely similar.

Oh, and the fact that ness already looks like he rep's both.

I mentioned before how I think the d-pad could work with ATs; map them to a direction while other directions could be used for other things.

I'm trying to think what requirements are needed to use them, though.

Hmm...Interesting *Keeps on thinking*

This will happen.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2cx8c9e.jpg

And this will be his alt. costume. <3

Holy amazing win. We need Sukapon in this as the WTF Retro. I really hope they find a way around programming...His final smash can be getting all the other robots of Joy Mech Fight together.

<3 us sukapon supporters.

 

[Arcadenik]

That's what I mean, so is his only thing going to be punches.....and then his specials are going to consist of better stronger punches? Sounds boring to me

So? Marth and Ike use their swords in their regular and special moves. If they can have an entire moveset dedicated to swordfighting, Little Mac can have an entire moveset dedicated to punching. He could also turn into Giga Mac as his Final Smash.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Mother does not need Claus to be complete. Claus is not the protagonist of Mother 3, Lucas is. That's why Lucas is in and Claus is a palette swap. Mother is not getting supporting characters. I am sorry but it is the way it is. Ness is the protagonist of Mother 2 and he even represents Mother 1 through his own physical likeness to Ninten, the protagonist of Mother 1... and Lucas is the main protagonist of Mother 3. That is why Mother is complete as is.

Even Fire Emblem is complete as is, too. All it really needs is the original protagonist (Marth) and the latest protagonist at the time (Roy/Ike/New Lord). At the time Melee was being developed, Marth was the protagonist of the original Fire Emblem and Roy was going to be the protagonist of the upcoming Fire Emblem on the GBA (the most recent game of the series at the time). At the time Brawl was being developed, Marth was the protagonist of the original Fire Emblem and Ike was going to be the protagonist of the upcoming Fire Emblem on the Gamecube (the most recent game of the series at that time). Notice the pattern? Roy and Ike were the protagonists of the most recent games at the time Melee/Brawl was being developed. So if there is a new Fire Emblem game with a new protagonist, it is very likely that SSB4 would have Marth and the new protagonist. This is why I don't think Fire Emblem will ever get supporting characters like Shiida, Black Knight, etc.

I agree with Mother. Ness is essentially a reincarnation of Ninten with borderline identical appearances and abilities so having Ninten be a fighter would be a bit much. Really, all you need to do is throw a bandana on Ness's neck and... TA-DAH, it's Ninten! He's ALT material if anything.

I don't fully agree with Fire Emblem. It has enough games and a long enough history to have three reps. Marth, Ike and the latest protagonist. I don't see a problem with that at all especially if the third person uses a lance or axe. I'd personally be estatic if they used magic.

 

[smashplayer16]

Little Mac Can Definately Work

Im sure that the SSB4 production team can make Little Mac a fun character. He would have more than just punching. They can add some nifty dodging and weaving moves, counter attacks, making his movement quick and swift. Im guessing that people think just because he is a boxer, that he wouldn't have a creative moveset, that just consist of punches. Check out boxers from other games

doesn't look boring to me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ywg-Svkxo8#t=0m37s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ73RpQAIE4#t=0m29s

Very creative

 

[Pieman0920]

It is like "if Wario is in, then Waluigi have to be in, too!" or "if Lucas is in, then Claus have to be in, too!" A better example would be Zero Suit Samus. She was added before Ridley. So the fans complained that she got in before Ridley. So if you added Jody Summer before Samurai Goroh, the fans will complain that she got in before him.

If X is in, then Y have to be in, too!

If X is in before Y, then Y must get in, too!

That's not what you said though. You said Goroh's inclusion would mean that others would demand Jody/BS, which just doesn't make all too much sense as a complaint. There will be complains for every series, even ones you deem as complete, so its really something you shouldn't care about.

And quite frankly, I really havn't seen many people say that Wario's inclusion should justify Waluigi's though I will say that Waluigi didn't stand a chance of getting in without Wario. In addition, while the analogy about Jody being in without Goroh isn't what I was responding to, its still not really the same as the Ridley thing. For one, Ridley/Goroh are somewhat justified, as they have a bigger impact on their series/are more popular. In the very least though ZSS is excusible as she's....well Samus, aka the main character.

On Little Mac's moveset: There are several moves from other boxers in the PO series (neutral smash could be Bald Bull's win up punches. Dash attack could be Von Kaiser's OHKO. Down special could be a counter version of Mr. Sandman's Dream Land Express. Side special could be the Bull Charge. etc etc) as well as the star system that could make Little Mac very unique. He still wouldn't be able to kick, I would imagine, but that really shouldn't hamper him in any way.

 

[Cyn]

As far as I know, Bowser has like 2 kicks in his current moveset.
Just becouse he is a Boxer, it doesn't mean he can't have 1 or 2 kicks.

But basically yeah. Punches. That won't be boring in my book.

Well its all a matter of opinion I guess. At least he will more than likely be pretty quick if anything

 

[Fatmanonice]

but what people really need to worry about is the fact the next nintendo console will not support GCN controls. I fear we will lose ALOT of players.

~xyro

You bring up a good point. This really is something that people need to be start emailing Nintendo about. Actually... *thinks about it* shouldn't the virtual console on the next system be powerful enough to support gamecube games? If that's the case, they'll probably re-release the gamecube controller which would make the transition even easier than it was from Melee to Brawl.

 

[Cyn]

So? Marth and Ike use their swords in their regular and special moves. If they can have an entire moveset dedicated to swordfighting, Little Mac can have an entire moveset dedicated to punching. He could also turn into Giga Mac as his Final Smash.

True but they have counters based on their swords, their swords (ikes) can be charged with a crazy flaming thrust to the ground...... what will mac do charge up his punch? Sounds like dk to me

 

[n88]

As I've said before, it seems as though Jigglypuff almost got the boot in Brawl, which would make it possible for her to make a disappearance. Likely? No. Possible? Yes. I personally don't care either way.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I agree with Mother. Ness is essentially a reincarnation of Ninten with borderline identical appearances and abilities so having Ninten be a fighter would be a bit much. Really, all you need to do is throw a bandana on Ness's neck and... TA-DAH, it's Ninten! He's ALT material if anything.

I don't fully agree with Fire Emblem. It has enough games and a long enough history to have three reps. Marth, Ike and the latest protagonist. I don't see a problem with that at all especially if the third person uses a lance or axe. I'd personally be estatic if they used magic.

Ninten for Alt! Tho realistically speaking Smash 4 and not the future, chances are the mother series will stay the same character-wise. Stages could be Winters and New Pork City (It returns!) Or two different stages or so; I'd personally want Fourside and the casino place. (Totally forgot the name atm)

And I agree on FE. Heck; They had Roy in the files, so It shows they're not scared to see it get 3 reps, and that would've been 3 swordsmen, thus they can make 2 swordsmen and some other dude easily work.

shouldn't the virtual console on the next system be powerful enough to support gamecube games?

...Yeah, about that...

Hi, my name is nintendo. I love cash. I make things called "Wiimakes" To resell popular games on the wii but with wii controls.

but seriously; this is a concern here. I really hope The Wii HD Or w/e has ports for gamecube controller's, because playing with a wiimote is awful.

As I've said before, it seems as though Jigglypuff almost got the boot in Brawl, which would make it possible for her to make a disappearance. Likely? No. Possible? Yes. I personally don't care either way.

Just because It's possible doesn't mean they're going to. Hypothetically speaking, If the developers wanted, they could make the entire roster just Meta-Knight clones. At this point especially considering that cut character's is one of the most complained things in brawl, they wouldn't remove one of the character's who's appeared in all games now, despite how much some want Meowth or someone to appear over jiggly.

 

[Xyro77]

You bring up a good point. This really is something that people need to be start emailing Nintendo about. Actually... *thinks about it* shouldn't the virtual console on the next system be powerful enough to support gamecube games? If that's the case, they'll probably re-release the gamecube controller which would make the transition even easier than it was from Melee to Brawl.

IF that happened they would have to completely re-do the GCN controler.

1. it cant be wired due to no gcn ports.
2. the already made wreless gcn controler STILL uses the gcn ports.

I KNOW the next system will still use discs but would it work with GCN discs...im 99% sure. So brawl discs should be fine but gcn disc not so much. I GUESS they could make melee and othe gcn games downloadable but its nintendo and they do this VERY VERY VERY weird so dont count on it till its announced.

All im sayin is ssb4 will be WITHOUT gcn controlers. Maybe the wii motes will work, maybe not. The new trend is now NATAL type stuff so i have no clue how the next ssb ould play. it worries me since im from the melee days and i STILL us a GCN for brawl.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I want Jigglypuff gone simply because she doesn't really serve any purpose anymore. She's no longer that popular and she's from three generations back and not to mention she got nerfed like a mother in Brawl. If you ask me, there doesn't need to be 5 playable 1st generation pokemon and Pokemon Trainer's more important and unique by a longshot. I've been saying this since Brawl came out: Jigglypuff has basically been turned into a severally flawed version of Kirby.

 

[Cyn]

I wouldn't miss that **** jiggly for one second, I do hope this is the last we've seen of her. To be honest I think shed make a better pokeball character than playable