Ok, last time I'm going to say this.
Did you not read this? A temp ban may not be the 100% best course of action, but it's the only one we have that isn't doing nothing. Oh, what's that? You say there is? What is it? You don't have it? That's because no one else does, either! Case rested.
And some people may think that doing nothing is better than a temp-ban. Maybe they're misinformed (because there have been all of like 3 posts of 47098098 that have covered the specifics of the temp-ban), or maybe they're informed and have legitimate concerns, but whatever the case is it doesn't mean they are 100% wrong. And I'm not saying that as a generic, "no one's ever wrong," statement, I'm saying I don't see enough evidence of, "if we don't do a temp-ban then the community's going down the drain," for it to be unreasonable for people to disagree with a temp-ban.
The notion of "well, the rest of the community can agree, but if we lose, we just won't play along" is stubborn, too.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Sounds dumb, and you can just say, "Fight fire with fire," but in that case everyone's going to burn. Being stupid back won't help this problem.
If they don't want to agree with the specifics, fine. They don't even want to talk about it. Proof? There's no way AN hasn't heard about the tremendous amounts of ****-talking I've done to them in here. Oh, but none of them have come in here and set me straight. I've purposefully over-exaggerated to see if any of them would prove me wrong, because I can't just search them out. Nothing. There's no way they don't know by now. Sure, it's an assumption, and it's not perfect, but hey, one post. That's all it will take.
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Had I not checked back over the like 4-5 pages I missed since I went to school or to sleep (I don't even remember what day it was), I wouldn't have found pure_awesome's post on a potential criteria for a temp-ban and wouldn't have known what a good template was like. I'm one of the maybe 1% of competitive players that even moderately keeps up with this thread.
You're assuming this thread is a huge site of activity and it's the central issue of competitive Brawl right now, or something. It really isn't. It's just the same 10-20 people posting the same stuff for 700+ pages. Barely anyone actually follows this thread lol. Just because you call out AN on page 740-whatever a few times doesn't mean they're all going to start coming here and looking for good temp-ban criteria or even assume it exists. I certainly wouldn't with over a year of barely any progress on the issue.
The people who post in this thread have commented on what you brought up. But nobody else. Because nobody else visits this thread lol.
You have to actually bring things like this to people's attention if you, well, want them to get attention. This would mean talking with these TOs or making this a big issue or just telling people around your community about how a temp-ban is a more serious consideration than being tossed around for the past year.
I'm assuming that the majority of them will, or at least he majority of the good players, which also happen to be the people who main MK. It's honestly not that big of a stretch.
And I can assume that the majority of them won't without that big of a stretch. I find it probable either way.
Nothing will make them agree with us at this point. If they, at any time, seriously considered just breaking off from competitive Brawl because we beat them in a vote (which is the only way a temp-ban would happen) then:
A ) they deserve what they get.
B ) they're extremist enough to where logic won't persuade them now.
Again, you're assuming all of these people are well-versed on the subject and know all the new discussion going around and everything—
After the "final" MK poll after SNES or whenever, a lot of people stopped caring about the issue. Honestly, a lot of people stopped caring or never started to care about the issue beforehand. But especially with the creation of this thread, and how Hylian prefaces it by saying the whole thing seems redundant to him — that's how a lot of people feel. Even with the old threads where there were polls and more weight to discussion, there were still only the consistent 15-20ish people, with a few people just dropping by to share their opinions for a post, or maybe a day, and then leave.
So reasonably, most people don't know much about a temp-ban. Why? Because when they hear it, they don't think, "oh that's what those people on MK Discussion number 6 were talking about for 100 pages," they think, "oh that's what that one guy brought up it's a dumb idea." Back then especially it was tossed around as a compromise, and many people including myself thought it was bad because hardly anyone delved into it. All it seemed like was a slippery slope into an eventual permanent ban of MK, and we'd just be collecting data we already know or have theorycrafted.
So maybe, when a lot of people who hardly follow or don't at all follow these discussions, when they hear about a temp-ban of MK in a region with a lot of MKs and seemingly a lot of people who are against his ban, they'd jump to the solution of just running MK-allowed tournaments during the time period.
It's not that people don't care about the issue, it's that people
don't know about the issue. You're assuming the majority of the competitive community keeps up with this thread at any given point and they don't — really, hardly anybody does.
Further than it already is? Hardly. I'd be speeding up the process that's already on its course. Besides, they'd be acting like children, and children have no concept of anything other than pleasure/pain learning. You reward those who participate and you punish those who don't. Act like kids, be treated like kids.
It's really simple.
No.
I can't see how anybody who cares about the future of competitive Brawl would acknowledge that their actions are speeding up its death, and they could easily prevent it, but refuse to because, "Well they're acting like kids so we have to treat them like kids."
