Official Metaknight Discussion

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Whooooooooooooa lots of people play the best character in the game?

**** I WOULD'VE NEVER GUESSED

I think they're kinda biased and weird cus of weird rules

Also, gonna guess that they are slightly downplayed. Remember bowser/MK 45:55? Or ICs/MK 50:50?

 

[Luxor]

Remember ICs/MK 50:50?

Yeah lol, nowadays no one even bothers with popo until he SD's. I'd say that makes it at least a 60:40

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

nah lol, I was just like Yes..... show me your lose.

I beat many people with Falcon. Atomsk's (who beats ADHD rarely/shadow's MK and top players) Don't **** with the captain. In a tournament near you oh and warios are all scared of playing my falcon, they just tell me 'no go snake' or they switch to some other chars. Bunch of *******! seriously LOL

Ally, you did this to the Wario's in the Midwest.

 

[Kaffei]

Also, gonna guess that they are slightly downplayed. Remember bowser/MK 45:55? Or ICs/MK 50:50?

lol bowser

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

How cold people forget about Yoshi?

 

[Kole]

I remember a while ago when people actually thought Yoshi beat MK.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yoshi's not fair, actual technical advancement occurred that rendered him obsolete (aka, no spite, and instant release resulting in a ground break if you pummel).

 

[Espy Rose]

I remember the days where people actually thought you could counter MK.

 

[Kaffei]

I remember the days where people actually thought you could counter MK.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10176952&postcount=126 lol

 

[Espy Rose]

Diddy counters M2K.
Fact.

 

[Kaffei]

lol do you think he will ever get better at that mu

 

[Espy Rose]

Not with an attitude like that he won't.

 

[adumbrodeus]

A lightbulb will probably go off above his head at some point just like with sonic.

 

[Espy Rose]

He should feel bad that he almost lost to a Sonic at any point with Meta Knight.

 

[solecalibur]

He should feel bad that he almost lost to a Sonic at any point with Meta Knight.

MU discussion doesnt mention what the MU should be if you dont know the MU, after a certain level of the game you cant just say lol pick MK/D3 and expect to win

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ehhh, I disagree, Sonic is very much a character that can take advantage of lack of MU knowledge, that he had issues for a while...

 

[Espy Rose]

Then MK obviously isn't tornadoing enough.
Or tornadoing properly
Or both.
Done and done.

 

[Eddie G]

Just pick Peach and use nair. Sonic won't be able to do jack **** about it. I dare any Sonic to prove me wrong. ;D

 

[Judo777]

You also have to take into account that 90% of MK's dont know any MU's below C tier cause they dont have to. And i dont think it would be a stretch to say that every top MK doesnt know at least 1 c tier MU. Because I mean how many places have good zss, TL, kriby, rob, pits all at once?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Then MK obviously isn't tornadoing enough.
Or tornadoing properly
Or both.
Done and done.

Well... yeah. Obviously if you don't know what properly is, you can't be doing it properly.

 

[ruin`]

MK too good!

 

[1048576]

How do we know that ADHD and Ally aren't actually mediocre players, who just happen to be the only semi-competent people who use the true best characters in the game, Diddy and Snake? How do we know that MK's dominance is inherent in his character, and not just the result of the best players using him, due to pure chance or some kind of bandwagon effect?

 

[Mota]

Yup, Ally's a semi competent, mediocre player who can **** top tiers with Captain falcon.

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

How do we know that ADHD and Ally aren't actually mediocre players, who just happen to be the only semi-competent people who use the true best characters in the game, Diddy and Snake? How do we know that MK's dominance is inherent in his character, and not just the result of the best players using him, due to pure chance or some kind of bandwagon effect?

Short answer, because that's dumb.

 

[Kitamerby]

Captain Falcon is obviously secretly high tier. We just haven't been looking at him hard enough.

So I hear the Japanese have Ganon in mid. After seeing Dio, I'm almost reconsidering my views of him. Almost. Top of bottom at best right now. <<

Just pick Peach and use nair. Sonic won't be able to do jack **** about it. I dare any Sonic to prove me wrong. ;D

You're terrible. Everyone knows there are no Sonic players left to prove you wrong. They all switched to Wario/Falco. :V

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Captain Falcon is obviously secretly high tier. We just haven't been looking at him hard enough.

So I hear the Japanese have Ganon in mid. After seeing Dio, I'm almost reconsidering my views of him. Almost. Top of bottom at best right now. <<

Unless I'm mistaken, Ganon is top of bottom on the Japanese tier list.

 

[etecoon]

afaik the japanese don't have an "official" list made by a organization of top players like our SBR, anything you see is just one persons opinion usually

 

[Mew2King]

Short answer, because that's dumb.

I started the MK bandwagon and evolved the character significantly especially among top level play

 

[etecoon]

so? it's still obvious that he's better than snake or diddy, I don't think he's BAN worthy but it's not like you can legitimately say no one good plays snake and MK just does better by chance.

 

[DMG]

How do we know that ADHD and Ally aren't actually mediocre players, who just happen to be the only semi-competent people who use the true best characters in the game, Diddy and Snake? How do we know that MK's dominance is inherent in his character, and not just the result of the best players using him, due to pure chance or some kind of bandwagon effect?

You can apply that to Ivan Ooze if you want to be head strong enough.

"Lol why does everyone pick this guy, stop playing him cmon there are other characters in the game, you guys are total bandwagon followers."

 

[GeneralWoodman]

how come basic brawl matches are fun until that one mk guy joins?

 

[etecoon]

the only purpose of basic brawl is to introduce children to planking >: D

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

How do we know that ADHD and Ally aren't actually mediocre players, who just happen to be the only semi-competent people who use the true best characters in the game, Diddy and Snake? How do we know that MK's dominance is inherent in his character, and not just the result of the best players using him, due to pure chance or some kind of bandwagon effect?

We don't. We can, however, assume that if this is the case, all the other Diddies and Snakes that place are distantly worse than the MKs that place. You would imagine that, if Snake/Diddy was the best in the game by far, at least one top player would have figured this out by now and ***** all the tournaments. But every little spec of data we have points to MK being the best. See also Crow's posts.

 

[etecoon]

well there is some evidence to back that up, the best snake went MK and lost to a bowser!!?!?!?

I'll shut up for a while now

 

[Col. Stauffenberg]

I started the MK bandwagon and evolved the character significantly especially among top level play

Sorry, but I don't think even you can claim to be the reason Meta Knight is the best character in the game.

 

[Tien2500]

How do we know that ADHD and Ally aren't actually mediocre players, who just happen to be the only semi-competent people who use the true best characters in the game, Diddy and Snake? How do we know that MK's dominance is inherent in his character, and not just the result of the best players using him, due to pure chance or some kind of bandwagon effect?

Because, the best players are the best players for a reason. They can look at a character, analyze their strengths and weaknesses, and decide which characters are the best. If the best players are just riding the bandwagon, then they're not really the best.

 

[swordgard]

well there is some evidence to back that up, the best snake went MK and lost to a bowser!!?!?!?

I'll shut up for a while now

And lost sets last smashfest to a local bowser main as snake here, even ragequitting against him.


Boozer 2 good.

But it was friendlies so eh, still very entertaining to watch though.

 

[jorgen aune]

it is about style and habbits to, even if you reveal that Snake is the best charakter, many will play MK because the playstyles are so different between aggresive and evasive/defensive

ADHD and Ally doesn't necessary think that Diddy and Snake are better than MK

 

[OverLade]

Snake and Diddy are not better than MK in any way competitively.

 

[**Havok**]

I think MK is overrated, he's not as bad as he used to be at one point in the metagame. Development has stopped moving as fast so I think other characters will have an opportunity to catch up to some degree.

Here's a basic rundown of how MK's go down:

Bad player = ok metaknight
Pretty goodplayer = will beat your secondary
GOOD player = You need to use all your notes for this one.

It's not that hard, it just requires the extra mile of effort! Besides if anyone wants to get decent at brawl you would be walking that extra mile anyway, finding what you need to in the MK matchup along the way.

I think people like Ally and MikeHAZE have the ONE special trait that people refuse to use:

Creativity!

Come up with weird punishes to MK's cookie cutter approaches. Ally Dairs tornado if they finish on him and Mike counters drill rush offstage.

I think the lack of creativity is what's holding a lot of people back vs MK.

IMHO.