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Dude take it easy Im just saying that people are saying "Diddy goes even with MK" or w/e, when you've only been playing ATL north MKs and M2K.
What kind of strats are you referring to? MK only teams? Or just comboing into your partners set up?
Whoa chill out dont rip the guys face off. I believe the implication meant by redhalberds post was that high profile smashers that use MK have the potential to change their style from the last time you've played them. Or view/play the match up from a different mindset.
That's the way how Smashboards roll.
That's fine. This isn't directed at you, I'm just annoyed that people are using m2k as the very and only example of diddy vs mk. I've been playing metaknights for what seems like forever, then I beat the best one and everyone suddenly notices and has tunnel vision on that victory.
matchups can be overcome when a player is just BETTER than the other one by a good enough amount.
Heh, I mean no disrespect by this (although I lol at myself for typing this in), but maybe they 'got better at the game' from Apex 'til now? How can we know that in a 6-month period of time his dominance has increased without data? Pound4 could've been an exception (or fit in with the norm, who knows), just like Pound4's singles results of 8 MKs in the top 10 are different from other results from larger-scale tourneys (look at the one Omni posted with the Ness winning #2 and a Yoshi at like #5-7)... I would've loved t see lots of large-scale doubles tourneys from Apex til Pound4, but all i found were a majority of team-names-and-players-only and small-scale doubles tourneys, then my frustrations rose and I gave up.
But, doesn't the problem start with complaints over how a character or strategy is 'too good'? I still haven't heard as many players complain in such a way about doubles, as they do about singles, so i'm guessing that teams with MK aren't as scary as only MK placings (but double MK teams ARE pretty nasty...).
It never got to be giant, I was trying to look for lots of tourney results to post, but no one posts the characters the teams use... So I just gave up. Results with 5-6 teams aren't good fuel for arguments compared to national results, so yeah...
I've always thought diddy was better with snake. If not now, he will be with time anyways. Ic's/falco are around the same level (at least right now) as well, but ic's have a pool of untapped potential not many people are really trying to dig into. Good to know top level players know what they're talking about when they DO post xD
Don't care.
Overcentralization DOES happen in singles.
Don't care, prove it.
You don't see them? Evidently you need glasses more than I do Wyatt.
Go ahead and spam, you'll still sound like an idiot.
I still plan on meat-riding every player who is better than me, but you, sir, are my new favorite poster.
He's still human, therefore loses occasionally, Chuee.
Nah, man. Doubles and Singles are COMPLETELY different games. What MK adds to a team is even the same subject as how MK performs in singles.
I agree. Doubles and singles are a far stretch apart from one another. But my point is this: Anti-ban shouldn't be willing to make such a compromise. To say that he's "broken" in doubles, but not in singles, it seems like hypocrisy at its finest.
If only Falco wasn't gimped so easily...
lolol
I've seen that match already. The other team was doing it wrong.
Why not? Higher competition, more difficult to advance, thus more significant when a character (or player, I suppose) does well.
I disagree. Only due the fact that the results of larger tournaments are more accurate because of a larger sample size (More players, more matches, more character representation, etc.).
brb holding a 16 person scrub tourney to influence statistics
Even when you take M2k out MKs numbers still are far better than any other character.
Lol delusion. Either MK players just happen to be far better players who go to many more tournaments... or MK is better. I'll take the simpler more logical explanation but you can take the absurd one if you like.
no one is saying mk isnt the best character? what you said doesnt show ban worthyness. It shows that a top character exists. There is nothing wrong with that. It happened and happens in other fighting games. Plus your other statement about mk players being better players then alot of other players is also sort of true. Think of it this way, if you woke up one day and found out that you were the best player in the world would u really play ganon just so you could prove somethin? Only if your isai. In melee, sure alot of other players did well, but for a while it was mainly the top 4 placing highest. Because good players will play good characters. Cause and effect. So i wont say mk players are always better. But i would say most mk players are better players then ganon and lower tiered players. Because they have noticed limitations that skill cant overcome and need access to more options and are following the metagame. But it still is not a metagame where it is play as mk or get out. So banning seems a lil premature. Diddys snakes olimars ics falcos are still doing well.
Care to prove that? Crow! gave a link to the data, all you have to do is prove it.
good mk mains go to more national tourneys...
If there was nothing wrong w/ having "such" a top character people would never want MK banned in the first place.
Do you have data to prove this? And even if you are right about that why does MK dominate at EVERY level of play?
Unless you have data to back this up its very unlikely.
