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Fox has always been higher than Marth...
Nope, this ruleset loves jiggs, Sheik, and peach.
Why is this a strong point for having Jiggs not in top tier?
well, I actually agree with you for the most part. In the grand scheme of things, a character's matchups vs. non-top 8 characters are largely irrelevant.
They're relevant but NOT as relevant as the top tier match-ups. The lower you get, the less important they become.
They matter little enough that they probably shouldn't influence the distinction between top and high tier.
Depends on how smash the distinction is without, and which characters we're talking about.
Nobody except fox has evenish to favorable match-ups with all the top tiers, everbody else loses to at least somebody in high/top.
Again, it depends on who and by how much. Ganondorf is probably the most relevant, but if it's bad enough, people might train pocket pichus just for that match-up.
In old country... er sorry, back in the day relative to the people around her, Zelda had good high/top tier match-ups, however she didn't really solidly beat pretty much any low tiers except Bowser, from ICs on she was pretty much solidly 4-6. So why 7th from bottom? Because her low tier match-ups held her back.
No, they were just rounded off. Umbreon changed it to the more specific decimal points (what they actually were). The only characters that were tied were Jiggs and Falcon, but I think we all know Jiggs > Falcon.
I think the title is self-explanatory.
quoted for truth
wait...what? I read this over a few times and I'm not really understanding what you mean lol.
So do you suggest that there should be a tier higher than top to put them in? or somehow re distribute the cast to fit in the same 5 categories?
Note I said evenish.
Of course it depends on how bad the matchups are and how popular the characters are. What I have been saying is that in the case of Jiggs, the difficulty of those matchups times the popularity of those characters is low enough so that it shouldn't matter. You can't really claim that Y. Link is really part of the high level metagame. And Jiggs holds her own vs Pikachu, Doc, and Ganon.
I don't get the point you're making here. She's 7th from the bottom because... it's not back in the day anymore and she gets ***** by many of the top/high tiers, most notably fox.
Soft counters aren't evenish.
Then we're in agreement, pretty much anyway, if young link is bad enough to cause people to pick up pocket young links, then I agree.
She always lost to fox, it's just everybody around her did and does too, she did well against marth as well as ICs and below, the thing is she got beat or just barely won against too many people at her position and below.
I agree that jiggs is top tier, her match-ups have been way underrated.
These types of statements just baffle me. I guess in bigtime tournaments, with hundreds if not thousands of dollars on the line, people are still just too darn stubborn and won't play her properly.
Very true, but I mean, as long as there is a timer there is no reason to just rush in blindly because you are down a few % with 6 minutes to go. You just have to make sure that you have a stock lead/% lead by the end of the time limit, and you're fine, no reason to rush in immediately.
Yeah I def agree, it sucks for almost every character except for like the Marios/Pika/Pichu who can throw out a projectile that stops her from Ledge camping. Everyone else has to take that risk.
