Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List

[choknater]

hm

shoutouts to oct 2011 joiner giving good advice

 

[Divinokage]

I thought Ganon was a bad character huh? haha. =P

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Kage play more Falcon

 

[:Tally Hoes]

Shoutputs to people going out of their way to say something nice.

 

[choknater]

I thought Ganon was a bad character huh? haha. =P

i never said anything like that man.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

i never said anything like that man.

but we all know its true

 

[frotaz37]

It is true. Ganondorf is trash.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Fox is the only character in this game.

 

[choknater]

lol

cmon guys

 

[ShroudedOne]

Fiiiiiiiine.

Fox and Falco are the only characters in this game. Maybe Peach on FD, too.

Fixed.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

whats a ganondorf?

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Ganon is pretty awful, he's still awesome though, regardless of being trash.

 

[Mew2King]

Doc > Pikachu > Samus/Ganon

 

[Divinokage]

Rofl, here we go again.

 

[The Star King]

Doc > Pikachu > Samus/Ganon

I like you.

 

[:Tally Hoes]

Gannon would be better if he didn't have a head its just unneeded hurtbox.

After seeing axe vs ics i could believe it, at that level of play pika won't struggle against anyone but again sheik or ics where the metagame is isn't that used. You could say puff but i want to think axe was pike aramada and lacked puffs to fight and just overhypes it and thinks its much worse than it really is.

 

[Strife]

I'm not sure how difficult Pikachu vs Puff is. Hbox is a better player than Axe so the matches look skewed(especially at Zenith), but I at top level Pikachu definitely struggles with. Peach is just too good at zoning him.

 

[TheLake]

we should have a characters placing based on a single move that defines their character tier list

puffs banned

Ganons slap and pichus crouch are S tier

pikachus hats are B tier

roys fire is C tier

and marths f smashs is D tier

more to come

 

[Divinokage]

Gannon would be better if he didn't have a head its just unneeded hurtbox.

After seeing axe vs ics i could believe it, at that level of play pika won't struggle against anyone but again sheik or ics where the metagame is isn't that used. You could say puff but i want to think axe was pike aramada and lacked puffs to fight and just overhypes it and thinks its much worse than it really is.

At that level? That's easy for anyone to say.. I'd love to see anyone else try to play a lower-end character at top 10 level.

 

[:Tally Hoes]

Um thats why there was reason to say pika is better. Easier to hit that high level that works.

 

[choknater]

at the highest level fox beats ganon

 

[Divinokage]

Um thats why there was reason to say pika is better. Easier to hit that high level that works.

No it's not, why do you think ONLY Axe was able to do that?

 

[Sauce Boss]

It is true. Ganondorf is trash.

Almost anyone i've played with who plays a higher/medium level ganon is all "Yo this bit is so slow ima **** him" you miss one move and ganon has you at 30% instantly, his shield pressure is **** fair l-cancel *** rinse and repeat barely has an opening and turns your shield into a tender chicken nugget.

Ganon is nowhere near trash and probably wont be near it.

 

[Strife]

No it's not, why do you think ONLY Axe was able to do that?

Probably because he's the only top pro still playing the character.

 

[choknater]

agree with pinheadz

 

[ShroudedOne]

Puff vs Pikachu (in my opinion anyways) is in Pika's favor...I'm think mainly of nair > usmash, USMASH, uair, thunder KOs...the only move Jiggs has against Pika really is bair (though it's a very good move...) Pika outranges her, too.

 

[choknater]

outrange? actually i don't see how he outranges her at all

the matchup is difficult becuase i actually think puff wins the range/spacing game.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Puff does win the range/spacing game. Back air.

 

[ShroudedOne]

That move....never mind, then.

I don't like only considering that move in the MU, but it is the most important for Jiggs. So yeah, you're right.

 

[choknater]

think of one extreme case where one move makes the entire difference:

bowser vs falco's laser

even though this is a really extreme example, it applies in other matchups. pikachu doesn't have the singular moves to beat bair, so he has to fight her in other ways rather than challenging the bair. not saying he can't beat puff, just saying that his moves can't take on bair.

one example of a way pikachu can beat puff is by getting under her with his superior ground movement and poking from below

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I dont think its that severe. Puff's bair is actually pretty slow but most characters have a hard time punishing it because of how much space it covers. Pikachu has a dash jump distance close to if not the best in the game. This can can allow him to jump in with a nair if he sees an opportunity.

 

[choknater]

yeah i agree. it's not that severe, i was just noting how puff can control space vs pikachu pretty well still

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

at the highest level fox beats ganon

wiser words have never been spoken

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

think of one extreme case where one move makes the entire difference:

bowser vs falco's laser

even though this is a really extreme example, it applies in other matchups. pikachu doesn't have the singular moves to beat bair, so he has to fight her in other ways rather than challenging the bair. not saying he can't beat puff, just saying that his moves can't take on bair.

one example of a way pikachu can beat puff is by getting under her with his superior ground movement and poking from below

Yup, because Bowser totally ***** Falco otherwise.

 

[choknater]

i was just trying to give a good example of 1 move shut down

he has a much better time fighting fox (still a ****ty time, but much better) than falco because of the laser shutdown

 

[KirbyKaze]

Yup, because Bowser totally ***** Falco otherwise.

Up+B oos, ledge camping, Bowser's shield game in general is actually really good against everything Falco-related minus lasers.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Yea, but grabbing bowser means he sucks. and Falcos grab range is def decent...and like u said, lasers. I also dont think its very good against camping the side plats on yoshis.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

You could always power-shield every laser.

If you are dedicated enough to try and use Bowser full stop, you should have no problem with that lol

 

[Sauce Boss]

Like, Bowser has some pretty strong mindgames, like when you're shield pressuring he can like koopa claw oos and u-b oos sometimes nair oos, fair oos. Bowser can be really ridiculous, you do a laggy move he can punish with f-smash or d-smash (meatgrinder). I don't know much about bowser besides he's alot like ganon with laggy devastating moves.

 

[hungrybox]

Fox
Falco
Sheik
Peach
Marth
Falcon
Jiggs
ICs
Samus
Doc
Ganon



sup