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Vudujin · Mar 30, 2012

Roy vs. Ganon is one of my absolute favorite MU's.

I really wanna see this set.

KrIsP! · Mar 30, 2012

I wanna see vman's Roy vs. Hungrybox. Every rest equals death via upB.

Fortress | Sveet · Mar 30, 2012

it really doesn't OHKO on most stages if puff DIs...

Warhawk · Mar 30, 2012

KrIsP! said:
I wanna see vman's Roy vs. Hungrybox. Every rest equals death via upB.

Only if they're playing on like Yoshi's Story or Pokemon Stadium lol

Geenareeno · Mar 30, 2012

Sveet said:
it really doesn't OHKO on most stages if puff DIs...

Wouldn't it be relatively easy to SDI out of too? Like before the hit that sends you super far.

knightpraetor · Mar 30, 2012

roy vs ganon...sounds obscenely bad....forced to rely entirely on dtilt and grab...can't the ganon just bair to safely box out the roys grabs since the lag is small? and there's like no risk for ganon jumping near the ledge while roy is going to be forced to play defensive when he runs out of space. I predict this matchup will be in kage's favor..with massive wins on all the small stages

Cactuar · Mar 30, 2012

Aerial Flare Blade imo.

:troll:

Warhawk · Mar 30, 2012

Geenareeno said:
Wouldn't it be relatively easy to SDI out of too? Like before the hit that sends you super far.

I thought it was the first hit of his up-b that hits you super far up... In which case you couldn't SDI out of that hit.

odinNJ · Mar 30, 2012

First hit of reverse blazer. Basically if jiggs lands a rest and you can come back in time it's either this or fsmash depending on percentage. Missing it gets you rested though

Strong Badam · Mar 30, 2012

why not just fully charged neutral b on a rest lol

Juushichi · Mar 30, 2012

Kills faster, probably.

Sethlon · Mar 30, 2012

Strong Bad said:
why not just fully charged neutral b on a rest lol

They're talking about landed rests. If you DI so that the rest kills you off of the side, you have time to spawn and land a reverse upB.

odinNJ · Mar 30, 2012

Pretty much this

Grim Tuesday · Mar 30, 2012

odinNJ said:
First hit of reverse blazer. Basically if jiggs lands a rest and you can come back in time it's either this or fsmash depending on percentage. Missing it gets you rested though

Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but Blazer has fixed knockback. It either will kill or it won't, percentage is irrelevant.

Geenareeno · Mar 30, 2012

Are there really any moves that are truly set? I thought some moves just took less account for percent when calculating knockback. Like there has to at least be a noticable difference between 0 and 999. Actually I think shine ignores %. Someone answer.

ShroudedOne · Mar 30, 2012

Reverse blazer is dependent on the weight of the opponent, not the percent.

Strong Badam · Mar 30, 2012

some jabs, fox shine, bowser's upthrow, and probably some other moves are set knockback

ShroudedOne · Mar 30, 2012

LOL Bowser's uthrow. Why do you know that?

odinNJ · Mar 30, 2012

Grim Tuesday said:
Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but Blazer has fixed knockback. It either will kill or it won't, percentage is irrelevant.

I meant that at higher percentage it's better to fsmash just because it's safer.

Sethlon · Mar 30, 2012

ShroudedOne said:
LOL Bowser's uthrow. Why do you know that?

Because its the only thing bowser has on the the space animals =P Other than upB Oos.

KrIsP! · Mar 30, 2012

We talked about this on the jiggs board a week ago but I can't find any of it. I believe it was said that reverse blazer does have set knockback and will kill over 40% on like, BF PS as well as over 10% or something on YS.

I may be wrong, if I can find the posts that'd be great.

odinNJ · Mar 30, 2012

We had a discussion about this on the Roy boards too pretty recently. But it wasnt too indepth

Warhawk · Mar 31, 2012

Sethlon said:
Because its the only thing bowser has on the the space animals =P Other than upB Oos.

And even then its a very DIable chaingrab lol

Grim Tuesday · Mar 31, 2012

I was doing the match-up today on Yoshi's Story and the two Blazers I landed both KO'd.

One was low percent, the other mid.

V3ctorMan · Mar 31, 2012

Ness Forward throw is set knockback too ^^

Strong Badam · Mar 31, 2012

ShroudedOne said:
LOL Bowser's uthrow. Why do you know that?

Years of experience.

KrIsP! said:
We talked about this on the jiggs board a week ago but I can't find any of it. I believe it was said that reverse blazer does have set knockback and will kill over 40% on like, BF PS as well as over 10% or something on YS.

If it's set knockback, why would the % be relevant? For the record, it's set KB (weight dependent like shine) afaik.

V3ctorMan said:
Ness Forward throw is set knockback too ^^

No, it isn't. Try Fthrowing someone at 0 then at 999%. Never really kills though.

danieljosebatista · Mar 31, 2012

If Ganon has an even matchup against Marth, which is a good character, I can only imagine how terrible it is for Roy being nothing but an inferior version of Marth

V3ctorMan · Mar 31, 2012

Strong Bad said:
Years of experience.

If it's set knockback, why would the % be relevant? For the record, it's set KB (weight dependent like shine) afaik.

No, it isn't. Try Fthrowing someone at 0 then at 999%. Never really kills though.

I'm PRETTY sure it is..

, you should double check. (Ness Forward throw)

Grim Tuesday · Mar 31, 2012

Its either really slow knockback growth or set knockback, doesn't really matter either way.

danieljosebatista said:
If Ganon has an even matchup against Marth, which is a good character, I can only imagine how terrible it is for Roy being nothing but an inferior version of Marth

Just because they're clones, doesn't mean they are similar enough to say that one is just better at everything.

Roy and Marth are too different to say things like that, just like Fox and Falco.

choknater · Mar 31, 2012

yeah ness fthrow and bowser uthrow are definitely set knockback

Strong Badam · Mar 31, 2012

ness fthrow has 10 growth
bowser's has 0

check in training mode if you don't believe me. fthrow someone at 0 then at 999. it's really obvious that it's not set KB

Also LUIGI'S DOWN ANGLED FTILT LMAO

zelda's up-b hitbox is also set kb

Xyzz · Mar 31, 2012

Yoshi downtilt is fix'ed knockback... used to edge guard it is almost a fox shine spike lol (just about every character gets hit away enough to be edge hogged and yoshi can do that djc edge grab thingy ... )

<3 Yoshi :D

Strong Badam · Mar 31, 2012

dang wtf that's ridiculous. thumbs up to Xyzz and his pony

Grim Tuesday · Mar 31, 2012

Its a really good attack to speed-run Classic Mode with.

Xyzz · Mar 31, 2012

Two examples of Yoshi being Yoshi :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6z06TRh6Rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVx9aih-hKI

Krynxe · Mar 31, 2012

I think we have video proof that Yoshi is broken in PAL.

KrIsP! · Mar 31, 2012

Year of the dinosaur? Or should we just call it DDay 2012 since it's Europe and he's a dinosaur?

Xyzz · Apr 1, 2012

Haha broken is not the word I would use for Yoshi. Different, weird and surprisingly decent are more apt, imho. And yeah, his offense is really good, I think he is mostly held back by some crippling defensive flaws.
In particular: his shield. If you can't jump out of shield for whatever reason the developers saw fit, you should at least have decent other oos options and not a shield roll that covers almost no distance and a 18 frame start up standing grab that doesn't even reach that far.

random funny yoshi fact #224:
His shielding animation starts with invincibility frames (as in: you can't even grab him in that moment). Sooooo annoying :D

Varist · Apr 1, 2012

moi tier listu

:ganonmelee:

:gwmelee:

Warhawk · Apr 1, 2012

Varist, why do you think Roy is that high?

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