Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List

[KirbyKaze]

Just space outside the up+B's range.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Yeah but then samus gets a free WD OoS

 

[KirbyKaze]

I keep forgetting we're playing the HRC field.

 

[kailo34ce]

HRC is on cactuars suggested ruleset right?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I keep forgetting we're playing the HRC field.

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. I think you're implying that giving up space is a punish alone or that peach can rinse/repeat the situation and that WD OoS isn't a good enough answer. Giving up space is a punish, but it allows samus to move into the spacing that she is favored in: both players being grounded and samus at ftilt spacing away. In that way, it is an advantage to samus.

Normally i'd insert a sarcastic phrase here, but you're you so i'll refrain.

 

[Niko45]

HRC is on cactuars suggested ruleset right?

Probably. It'd be a great fox stage. Shoot a laser and hold right for 4 minutes. gg

 

[KirbyKaze]

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. I think you're implying that giving up space is a punish alone or that peach can rinse/repeat the situation and that WD OoS isn't a good enough answer. Giving up space is a punish, but it allows samus to move into the spacing that she is favored in: both players being grounded and samus at ftilt spacing away. In that way, it is an advantage to samus.

Normally i'd insert a sarcastic phrase here, but you're you so i'll refrain.

Samus's f-tilt is probably the most overrated part of her entire game rofl

 

[leffen]

Jab too >_> its not even safe and it gives SOOOO little reward

I remember playing against Duck/Darrell, I'd always just wait in shield, and usmash whatever they did, since her jab is too bad you don't really have to worry about it either

people really shield too little vs samus

 

[ShroudedOne]

Now I have to ask: How are her jab and ftilt overrated? WD > ftilt seems to be a fairly good approach for her, and don't her jabs pressure shields well? (With jab cancelling and all that)

 

[Varist]

Now I have to ask: How are her jab and ftilt overrated? WD > ftilt seems to be a fairly good approach for her, and don't her jabs pressure shields well? (With jab cancelling and all that)

i think we need to stop calling shield pressure "pressure", if we're going to start calling samus's jab "shield pressure"

 

[ShroudedOne]

Assuming that the only actual "shield pressure" that exists is mashing one's face into the controller, then sure.

 

[kailo34ce]

well technically it pressures like low tiers right?

 

[Stevo]

wd to tilt only seems good with samus because she doesnt have much to work with, so in comparison it looks good.
(but it is not)
good Samus players have to make it work, so they get really good at it. you could almost do the same thing with falcos ftilt, but that would be dumb, because falco has 50 better options.

 

[kailo34ce]

so we can all agrees samus is decent but not that great?

go figure.

 

[JonnyW]

How do you jab cancel?

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

jab and press down inbetween jabs...

 

[kailo34ce]

How do you win nationals?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Pick peach

 

[kailo34ce]

eh not worth it

 

[Divinokage]

How do you win nationals?

Either Ganon in teams or any other top tier in singles. Though, it's obviously possible to do exceptionally well with mid tiers too.

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

lolganon

 

[Divinokage]

Hey man, I've won a lot of nationals in teams. =P

 

[kailo34ce]

everyone knows ganon is cheating, just look at his utilt

 

[-ShadowPhoenix-]

Kage what nationals/regionals have you won besides Zenith and that other tourney where you teamed with M2k?

 

[Divinokage]

Let's see here, it's hard to remember things like this.

I know I won RoM 4 and STYC 2 with M2k. I won Mist with Tink. Mmmm...

Wow, i know I did really well overall but i don't remember much.

 

[Blistering Speed]

And now you're giving him up like a *****. For shame.

Anyone else notice how much Sheik's have narrowed the gap in spacies matchups as of late? I mean, it's mainly them forgetting they don't have to approach and doing the whole derp-tech-skill-spam-oh-****-I-forgot-she-can-grab-me, but still...

 

[Divinokage]

No I'm not, I just don't play as often.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik isn't bad vs campy space animals though so idk why Blistering Speed is bringing that up.

 

[kailo34ce]

he missed the part where sheik is getting more attention in the last year or so and getting better in general because of it

 

[KirbyKaze]

tbh I actually do think the vert kills are really helpful with Sheik because (and I expect a massive ****storm from this) it negates the versatility of Fox & Falco's high recoveries. It also punishes people for trying to mitigate her Fair's trajectory by hanging around the middle of the stage when they're DIing her combos.

 

[kailo34ce]

nobody else can kill falcos with usmash at 70 with sheik,get outta here!

 

[KirbyKaze]

*shrug*

I think it helps me a lot. You're allowed to disagree though.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Sheik isn't bad vs campy space animals though so idk why Blistering Speed is bringing that up.

I find Sheik's approach game to be somewhat limited vs spacies, especially at the lower %'s. They have guns, so they can force that situation. Maybe I'm biased because spacies never approach conservatively out in the real world.

he missed the part where sheik is getting more attention in the last year or so and getting better in general because of it

Erm, no ****?

 

[kailo34ce]

i dont disagree KK , sheik still has room to evolve , keep telling us your ideas.

also thanks for the blistering argument!

 

[Blistering Speed]

But, like, you just stated the obvious. I don't know what you were hoping to accomplish.

 

[kailo34ce]

well if you want to get technical....stating things that have happened is stating the obvious =D

like saying sheiks close the gaps.

and saying what i did.

im runnin

 

[KirbyKaze]

I find Sheik's approach game to be somewhat limited vs spacies, especially at the lower %'s. They have guns, so they can force that situation. Maybe I'm biased because spacies never approach conservatively out in the real world.

This is a good argument.

This is not a good argument:

But I'm sticking to it anyway.

 

[Warhawk]

KK, where do you think Sheik belongs on the tier list?

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

KK has posted his tier list like a gagillion times dawg..

I'm just gonna answer for him and say somewhere between Link and Donkey Kong.

 

[Doc King]

Isn't sheik still pretty dominant in tourney play? As far as I know Sheik should be pretty much where she is now. (Forgive me if I'm totally wrong)