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you mean this one?
I agree with you there, and I never liked the fact that the list was composed of named tiers with 1-3 lettered subtiers each. We really don't need that many tiers.
Here's my attempt at a five-tier list.
Top:
High:
Mid:
Low:
Bottom:
look at these two lists, you may not agree with everything there but at the very least, it looks like it makes sense. now look at those two lists, and try to tell me that the list below doesnt look stupid as fk simply based on the number of tiers.Imo if I wanna be blatantly honest about Kid's opinion at a top level at like, Nationals and such (and man have I just been throwing out my opinions left and right lately lol):
Characters that are expected to win tournaments
Characters that dont surprise you when they win tournaments.
Characters that DO surprise you when they win tournaments
Characters that really shouldnt be winning tournaments.
Characters that dont/wont win tourments.
you know what, youre right. So let me clarify
People have sucked on Rainbow Cruise since 1996. Get your **** right son.
Probably because Sonic is a lower tier character so his wins appear more significant than when a higher tier character were to beat him.
] + [other solid high tier characters]
I care a lot about NickRiddles opinions!NickRiddle told me ZSS/Marth is +1 ZSS
Irony. <_<I care a lot about NickRiddles opinions!
What does that even mean? That's like saying, "I'm usually much better than this," the sort of thing you hear scrubs say after getting destroyed at their first tournament.
Can you tell everyone how to play him right so he can start winning tournaments?
Tell me more.
I never said that though, what I said was I shouldn't have gone snake cause my snake wasn't as good as my marth xD.
Yeah...from what I understand, Ramin went Snake game 3 against Meek in his pools set, so assuming he went Marth the other 2 games, his Marth went 1-1 with his Sonic in that set.@V115
Sonic vs Marth - Meek has beaten R@min @Apex, X has beaten MH at least twice [and afaik never lost] and even Azen beat Neo's Marth with Sonic back when he still placed. No notable win from Marth players over Sonic like ... ever.
ROB vs Marth - Ocean beat R@min @Apex, Luminous beat Mikeneko and a lot of knowledgeable players of either charater agree that it's slightly in ROB's favor [Pierce and Overswarm for example]. Plus no notable wins from Marth players over Sonic like ... ever.
ICs vs Marth - There's not actually a lot of japanese results here. Only one set [9B vs Mikeneko] which 9B won. Other than that it's all from america like Meep always beating Neo, ES@M beating K@daj. Only one time did a Marth beat a legit ICs which was MH vs V1nnie in a SoCal tourney. Oh, and that one time where he literally had to physically hurt Hylian to beat his ICs <_<
Ramin then beat Meek back in the tiebreaker, rather decisively from what I was told, Ramin telling me that after the first match he understood the MU a lot more.@V115
Sonic vs Marth - Meek has beaten R@min @Apex, X has beaten MH at least twice [and afaik never lost] and even Azen beat Neo's Marth with Sonic back when he still placed. No notable win from Marth players over Sonic like ... ever.
ROB vs Marth - Ocean beat R@min @Apex, Luminous beat Mikeneko and a lot of knowledgeable players of either charater agree that it's slightly in ROB's favor [Pierce and Overswarm for example]. Plus no notable wins from Marth players over Sonic like ... ever.
ICs vs Marth - There's not actually a lot of japanese results here. Only one set [9B vs Mikeneko] which 9B won. Other than that it's all from america like Meep always beating Neo, ES@M beating K@daj. Only one time did a Marth beat a legit ICs which was MH vs V1nnie in a SoCal tourney. Oh, and that one time where he literally had to physically hurt Hylian to beat his ICs <_<
I agree, it is slightly optimistic.
BoooMarth is bad.
This is true enough.Bad is not the best word, but the chances of him winning a
national are at least a tier lower than what his current placement suggests imo. Marth takes a lot of consistent effort and precision in near every match-up. He has no simple go-to strategies that are effective across the board at all levels. Unlike, say, MK's tornado and grounded shuttle loop, Diddy's OoS punish options with a banana, Falco's pewpewschwing jabgrab, etc. Marth is almost always playing the opponent's game, the rest of top tier tends to promote the opposite.
It's even
MK is -1Marth is good.
But the the amount of false information spread about his "tools" and match-ups is frustratingly deep rooted in some people's minds. We have enough experience with the game and enough top level Marth players to conclude that we've reached a point where his records vs characters in tourney can be taken at face value.
MK is somewhere between -1 and -2; It's hard to say because Marth often comes close to take sets off good MKs but he rarely actually wins it [4/6 or higher]
Sonic, ROB, ICs and DDD are all unfavorable [45/55 or 4/6]
Diddy Kong, Olimar, Snake, Falco, Pikachu, Lucario, Wolf, Kirby and DK are all even or at least not in Marth's favor [around 5/5]
ZSS, Fox, Peach, Pit, Ike, Sheik and Yoshi are all slightly favorable but not enough to allow for inexperience. It is still required to outplay them in order to win [55/45]
Wario, TL, GW, Samus and Bowser generally lose the match-up but have a number of tools that allow them to win the match-up and some of them have already done so in tourney [4/6]
Lucas, Mario, Falcon, Jiggs, Link, Zelda and Ganon struggle a lot at the match-up and wins for them are generally flukes although not impossible ... just really hard [35/65]
Ness, PT and Luigi shouldn't be able to beat Marth period [3/7]
That's my take on Marth and his match-ups. It's a pretty good spread and anything below top 10 for Marth is completely out of the question for me. But when I see people put him above Falco or Snake at places like 5th or 6th I can only shake my head about how one could possibly believe something like that. To me Marth is 7th at best and 9th at the absolute worst. That's pretty good but since I think MK and ICs share a tier of their own at the top and Marth ain't in the same tier as Snake, Olimar, Diddy Kong and Falco either it still puts his high placing into perspective.
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I think Snake, Falco, Diddy and Olimar are pretty much interchangeable and it would be rather unclear who would be the best out of them if MK and ICs weren't in the game.
What a two-faced liar! He told me even. Such a jerk telling us two different stories!NickRiddle told me ZSS/Marth is +1 ZSS
Meep was the original best IC alongside Lain. He was amazing, and I miss him =(
