Official BBR Tier List v7

[Jeff the Killer]

My Version (Don't Hate, because I'm not trolling nor do I want to)
Hack: Fierce Deity Link, Rosalina, Stephen the Killer, Jeff the Killer, Wisp, Dark Link, Sora, Roy, Ghirahim, Galaxia, Slenderman, Tails, Leon S. Kennedy
SS: Link, Snake
S: Olimar
A: Diddy Kong, Ice Climbers
B: Falco, Marth, Pikachu, Fox
C: Zero Suit Samus, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Toon Link
D: Wolf, Mr. Game & Watch, Lucario, Peach, Pit
E: R.O.B., Kirby, Sheilda, Sonic, Wario, Ike, Sheik
F: Yoshi, Ness, Pokémon Trainer, Luigi
G: Lucas, Mario, Samus, Bowser, Captain Falcon
H: Jigglypuff, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Ganondorf

 

[infiniteV115]

N o.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

that **** was adorbs yo

 

[ぱみゅ]

Oh lawd.
We can not have Pyramid Head nor Leon in SSB4, tho

 

[PMC66]

C'mon wolf overtake d3 already! You can do it!!!

and overtake Tink while your at it to wofl for 12th next tier list

 

[smashkng]

My Version (Don't Hate, because I'm not trolling nor do I want to)
Hack: Fierce Deity Link, Rosalina, Stephen the Killer, Jeff the Killer, Wisp, Dark Link, Sora, Roy, Ghirahim, Galaxia, Slenderman, Tails, Leon S. Kennedy
SS: Link, Snake
S: Olimar
A: Diddy Kong, Ice Climbers
B: Falco, Marth, Pikachu, Fox
C: Zero Suit Samus, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Toon Link
D: Wolf, Mr. Game & Watch, Lucario, Peach, Pit
E: R.O.B., Kirby, Sheilda, Sonic, Wario, Ike, Sheik
F: Yoshi, Ness, Pokémon Trainer, Luigi
G: Lucas, Mario, Samus, Bowser, Captain Falcon
H: Jigglypuff, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Ganondorf

No offense but I don't think anyone who knows this game well enough would agree with some of those positions.

 

[-LzR-]

Casual points of view are still always interesting imo. How people really thought differently when they didn't know much about the game.

 

[C.J.]

Honestly, outside of Link, DDD, MK, Wario, and DK most of his list isn't entirely unreasonable.

 

[Raziek]

But Link is SS tier.

SS

 

[infiniteV115]

Yeah in general it's like he has the right characters in the right tiers (ie top/high/mid/low) outside of the exceptions CJ listed.

But the order of the characters within each tier is completely wrong.

 

[Luigi player]

Yeah in general it's like he has the right characters in the right tiers (ie top/high/mid/low) outside of the exceptions CJ listed.

But the order of the characters within each tier is completely wrong.

The order within the tiers is the least important on that list, lol.

 

[Ussi]

SS: Link, Snake
S: Olimar
A: Diddy Kong, Ice Climbers
B: Falco, Marth, Pikachu, Fox
C: Zero Suit Samus, Meta Knight, King Dedede, Toon Link
D: Wolf, Mr. Game & Watch, Lucario, Peach, Pit
E: R.O.B., Kirby, Sheilda, Sonic, Wario, Ike, Sheik
F: Yoshi, Ness, Pokémon Trainer, Luigi
G: Lucas, Mario, Samus, Bowser, Captain Falcon
H: Jigglypuff, Donkey Kong, Zelda, Ganondorf

S: Meta Knight
A: Olimar, Diddy Kong, Ice Climbers, Snake
B: Falco, Marth, Pikachu, Wario
C: Zero Suit Samus, Lucario, King Dedede, Toon Link
D: Wolf, Mr. Game & Watch, Fox, Peach, Pit
E: R.O.B., Kirby, Sheilda, Sonic, Donkey Kong, Ike, Sheik
F: Yoshi, Ness, Pokémon Trainer, Luigi
G: Lucas, Mario, Samus, Bowser, Captain Falcon
H: Jigglypuff, Link, Zelda, Ganondorf

guy just copy pasted and swapped some characters around

not counting Olimar because same order still

 

[Luco]

Casual points of view are still always interesting imo. How people really thought differently when they didn't know much about the game.

I picked ganon as bad before I saw he the tier list but I had absolutely no idea about Meta Knight and I thought Lucas and Ness were both amazing (I think they're both still awesome, just not tier-list wise >.> ).

@Jeff: Don't worry if you get knocked back with that, it took me a long time to accept the flaws of my character and I got destroyed when I tried to explain why I thought so.

@ Infinite: Yea I remember some commentators saying that and I definitely agree.

 

[infiniteV115]

It's sad, really. Ness is a great character outside of his grab release weakness and his exploitable recovery.

He's mobile, kills early and reliably, has a great moveset and can string things together well. And he does well on Brinstar and RC, and water gimps on Delfino/PKT2 makes him so much to watch.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Agreed about Ness, there's so much to like.

 

[Shinde425]

Ike's crawling guys, he was low tier at one point, ya know. Another 8 years and he'll be sharing MK's spot.

 

[Mekos]

Ike is good man!

If it weren't for his recovery he would be S tier!

 

[DMG]

yep sounds totally accurate

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

yep sounds totally accurate

 

[DMG]

 

[Exdeath]

yeah, it's really stupid, even without tap jump. but I play with tap jump on anyway...

mashing without rotating the stick is much worse I think

Contrary to common sense, I don't believe that tap jump affects it.

 

[Ussi]

Ike's crawling guys, he was low tier at one point, ya know. Another 8 years and he'll be sharing MK's spot.

Ike isn't crawling up he's in the same spot

Spoiler

ok 2 spots higher

. Ike started there then moved down then had to crawl back up to where he started. That and he was wrecking low tier tourneys too hard

 

[Xubble]

But...

but...

his jab...

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Ike could win every tournament for the next year and people would still say he's bad

 

[da K.I.D.]

SNA AND YRO IS JUS GATLIKE

IKE STILL ES TEH SUXXORZ

caps.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

What happened to timeouts?

 

[DMG]

10 min timer, LGL, scrooging rule, and "MK can't dress up as 'The Wolf after eating Grandma and taking her clothes, waiting in bed for Little Red Riding Hood' for Halloween" rule fix all of that

 

[Tesh]

Whats left of the community really does need to have a unified MK legal ruleset tbh. Each one always leaves stupid holes in all the nerfs.

 

[da K.I.D.]

No mk, 5/6 minute two stock matches with no scrooge/ledge rules seem best for the game, based on what i can see.

 

[Vinylic.]

Please just do MK legal with a few limits of his. You already have Ice climbers and their chaingrabbing mojo, which is equally frustrating as MK for most players. Double MK should be a nogo though.

Scrooging limit and ledge grab limit sounds better. Timing out an opponent by doing the following is not how you're supposed to play the game here, but doing them to play safe from an opponent edgeguarding is okay by me.

10 minute/3 stock matches for SBO style doubles tournaments.
7 minute/2 stock matches for singles on an SBO doubles tournament.
7 minute/3 stock matches for normal singles and doubles.

Best I can think of.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I don't even see why we need a scrooging limit. Non ledge grab planking isn't hard to combat and ledge grab planking uses up ledge grabs

 

[da K.I.D.]

ugh...

additional rules like scrooging and ledge grabs were made for meta knight. nobody else needs those limits besides him.

but the fact is that if youre making rules like that just for metaknight, then youre admitting that hes bannable and he needs to be nerfed just to stay in the game.

And then as a piss poor way of covering over that fact, people apply those rules to the rest of the cast trying to convince people that pits or robs ledge games are worthy of being nerfed too. theyre not. theyre good, but the only character whose ledge game is OP is MK.

But the fact is, that when you remove the offending factor, theres no need for surgical rules to be placed upon the entire cast unnecessarily.

 

[SaveMeJebus]

I'm pretty sure that there is a LGL in MK banned tournaments so what you are saying is wrong

 

[da K.I.D.]

I'm pretty sure that there is a LGL in MK banned tournaments so what you are saying is wrong

there shouldnt be.
If there is, its not necessary.

 

[Vinylic.]

It's definitely necessary.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I'm pretty sure that there is a LGL in MK banned tournaments so what you are saying is wrong

That's because of a silly status-quo idea that only exists due to people feeling comfortable with it.

 

[DMG]

It's debatable. I'll put it this way: putting a LGL on keeps the game more "enjoyable". Whether MK is in the game or not, people don't want to see the game focus on basically planking and strategies covering it. Onstage, Banana to Grenade hand to hand combat instead etc.

You CAN play a non LGL game with MK gone. But... a lot of you simply won't enjoy it. I'd be fine with it, I have enough characters who crap on Pit, and at worst I also play G&W. Scrooging wise, you could shift the legal stages to prevent or deter it. Castle Siege, YI Brawl, etc.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

It's debatable. I'll put it this way: putting a LGL on keeps the game more "enjoyable". Whether MK is in the game or not, people don't want to see the game focus on basically planking and strategies covering it. Onstage, Banana to Grenade hand to hand combat instead etc.

You CAN play a non LGL game with MK gone. But... a lot of you simply won't enjoy it. I'd be fine with it, I have enough characters who crap on Pit, and at worst I also play G&W. Scrooging wise, you could shift the legal stages to prevent or deter it. Castle Siege, YI Brawl, etc.

Gotta agree here. With MK legal, the game is like unplayable without scrooging and planking regulations. With MK illegal, ledges aren't broken, but we would probably keep the rules in place just so, like.. ROB, doesn't spend the whole game on the ledge.

Again though, the game is totally playable with no LGL in a MK-banned meta.

 

[DMG]

Yeah. On the flip side, you could argue that the game is "more" playable with a LGL still on. That argument I've seen and can understand. Saying that the LGL in a no MK environment is absolutely necessary, from a game breaking perspective, does not seem to be the case.

 

[Mekos]

That's because of a silly status-quo idea that only exists due to people feeling comfortable with it.

U guys forgetting about what Will does on the ledge without a LGL?