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Yes, though I'm pretty sure he would have lost to Havok's Snake without MK. But I'm not just talking about that one tournament; he's had other wins with MK.I was under the impression that his recent win at the Socal regional he only used MK vs Havok. He still beat Tyrant and others with solo Ness.
Grabbing =/=CGing. DDD can't CG MK. DDD can't CG ZSS. DDD can't CG Pikachu. Etc.They don't get CG'd often. But it is defiantly a damage builder. I guess it is totally possible to avoid all grabs but that isn't the problem.
When did I say that D3 is only about the chaingrab?Same with Pikachu, like Lucario and Olimar.
Just to mention, I only mainly said Pika was all about the chaingrab just to show you how dumb you guys sound saying D3 is all about the chaingrab.
Also, for the DI thing. It is true that most combos aren't legit like D3's chaingrab. I just mentioned bair as a thing you can do on Wario since you guys said he couldn't do anything, which is definitely wrong. It's been used in tourneys before. (Watch 4God)
You guys should probably stop talking about D3. I'm pretty sure Coney and 4God can kick ur ***** with D3 easily at Apex.
DDD could tech chase 'em, though.Grabbing =/=CGing. DDD can't CG MK. DDD can't CG ZSS. DDD can't CG Pikachu. Etc.
He actually cant. His running speed is too slow for him to do anything aside from maybe getting a lucky gordo if they roll away from him any time past like... 40%.DDD could tech chase 'em, though.
Not that it'd help a lot but it is an option.
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Implying d3's dthrow doesn't have set knockbackHe actually cant. His running speed is too slow for him to do anything aside from maybe getting a lucky gordo if they roll away from him any time past like... 40%.
Thats so wrong. I've seen D3 players use tech chasing and they're successful. Also, ever heard of the buuman trap? The buuman trap is such a great option on the edge for characters. I also have some cool facts on D3's tech chasing. http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=191110He actually cant. His running speed is too slow for him to do anything aside from maybe getting a lucky gordo if they roll away from him any time past like... 40%.
Because, double jump and b moves come out the slowest amount of time. It gives D3 the ability to regrab him.Why can't I avoid the techchase
I try to like upB with G&W and DI up but I just get regrabbed what the ****.
lol @ This! ^The people who say Dedede can't techchase are dumb.
*places on ignore*
Dedede! He could be like reverse Coney!I wonder who he will pick up for Marth/Snake now.
Diska, he has still taken alot of wins with Ness, even though he uses MK to get past certain hurdles.
don't try comparing melee and brawl like that. besides Dthrow to DownB is a true combo on falco. though it's useful for punishing getups as well. Ganon is only even kinda viable because he hits like a bus full of fat people and he's not THAT slow.You guys seem to overrate speed too much. I mean, speed is an important factor, but it's not everything. Like, Melee Ganon was able to one tech chase a Falco with his down b move to a kill (I think a kill).
D3 being slow doesn't make him unviable. I mean he has the range, power, and combos, which makes him a good character. I mean, what other weaknesses does he have besides huge hurtbox and slow speed? Those are his only weaknesses and they're pretty big weaknesses, but his strengths make him so well, he's just not top tier viable.don't try comparing melee and brawl like that. besides Dthrow to DownB is a true combo on falco. though it's useful for punishing getups as well. Ganon is only even kinda viable because he hits like a bus full of fat people and he's not THAT slow.
Good. Now I can (in some way) respect you more.Meh, my bad then, I will retract my statement on D3 there.
This is proof that you don't know **** about D3. All of his air attacks are good. He has a good edge guarding game with things like bair, rco lag punishing, fair, having 4 jumps, etc. He has good range. He has amazing survivability (And the best vertical survivability). Best spot dodge. Slope infinites. Alright planking game (Mainly good onYou should tell the opposite. Like, what Dedede is good at. That's one thing, dthrow. Other than that, he is garbage.
This applies to most characters.Alright planking game (Mainly good on). Good followups and infinites on some characters. Air release stuff on
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along with some ground release stuff on
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Bair and dair are good. Nair, fair and maaaaaybe up air aren't exceptional.This is proof that you don't know **** about D3. All of his air attacks are good. He has a good edge guarding game with things like bair, rco lag punishing, fair, having 4 jumps, etc. He has good range. He has amazing survivability (And the best vertical survivability). Best spot dodge. Slope infinites. Alright planking game (Mainly good on). Good followups and infinites on some characters. Air release stuff on
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along with some ground release stuff on
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There's probably more I can mention, but, this is a lot of good/decent/great stuff that he can do.
It does. It's still a good thing that he can do.This applies to most characters.
Bair and Dair are good. Up air is only decent. Nair is just good for a combo to an up tilt and just for landing something quick, otherwise, it's not that good. Fair is alright (It's pretty good for punishing Snake's recovery).Bair and dair are good. Nair, fair and maaaaaybe up air aren't exceptional.
RCO lag is negligible, his horizontal survivability is garbage, I'd say Link's spotdodge is just as good, and his planking sucks since if he does something he falls to his death. :/
Edit: Actually, fair is decent. It's safe and has a big hitbox, it's just a bit slow.
Well, if there is more that you can mention, you should probably go ahead and mention his other good/decent/great stuff he can do because everything you mentioned is either negligible or it's not unique to him. Best spot dodge? Isn't Falco's just as good, if not better? Slope infinites involve his chaingrab, and you have been arguing that there is more to D3 than just the chaingrab. Falco does not have many, if any, options against planking on most characters. You can't plank anyway.(LGL) If you're talking at air planking, D3 has the fastest fall speed. Those four jumps aren't going to help him stay in the air. Every character in the game has something they can do off an air release on Wario.(Why do you think Peach wins that matchup?) He isn't the only character with ground release tricks on Ness and Lucas either.(Marth, DK, Peach, etc.)This is proof that you don't know **** about D3. All of his air attacks are good. He has a good edge guarding game with things like bair, rco lag punishing, fair, having 4 jumps, etc. He has good range. He has amazing survivability (And the best vertical survivability). Best spot dodge. Slope infinites. Alright planking game (Mainly good on). Good followups and infinites on some characters. Air release stuff on
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along with some ground release stuff on
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There's probably more I can mention, but, this is a lot of good/decent/great stuff that he can do.
Still no response.Instead alluding to them, how about actually explaining those other qualities
I've done it a million times, but they've gotten completely ignored. If you want me to explain, please actually listen.Instead alluding to them, how about actually explaining those other qualities
The chaingrab doesn't really have to do with his air game that much outside the fact that it can send ppl off of the stage along with air releasing Squirtle to a dash grab. His air attacks are good and he has 4 jumps. He can also do things like bair string for damage racking and gimping. A lot of his air attacks are disjointed hitboxes or big hitboxes and don't have much lag to them.honestly D3's air game is only decent because of the CG and his MONSTER grab range. otherwise people would just get in his face all day because they wouldn't have to always play around the CG. The CG makes pretty much everything D3 has better since you have to respect it. Similar to how Nado and shuttle loop make everything MK has better. In a lot of situations you have to respect those moves, making everything else more effective.
if you really think that's the case then you really don't understand much about D3 or how the game works in general.The chaingrab doesn't really have to do with his air game that much outside the fact that it can send ppl off of the stage along with air releasing Squirtle to a dash grab.
Nope. Pretty sure you never have. There wouldn't be this many people still asking you the same question if you've already explained it a "million" times.I've done it a million times, but they've gotten completely ignored. If you want me to explain, please actually listen.
It's funny because it's still happening.The best part is that everyone here knew he would just ignore everything everyone just said and continue talking in circles, and now you're all gonna do the same thing aaaaall over again.
To be totally fair, Dedede's sourspot/strong bair can string at low percentages, especially offstage.Since when can D3 bair string?
Spelt is so correct.It's funny because it's still happening.
Eh, keeps the thread alive.Spelt is so correct.
Why do you guys keep asking Doc King to explain about Dedede? I feel like the same thing happens every single time, and everyone rages about it.