Official BBR Tier List v6

[Cassio]

About as realistic as Pikachu in 3rd, right? Yeah, I'm sure you know who, lmao.

Realistic? Thats stated as if ESAM is known to have radical views, when hes shown to have fairly tempered and thought out views in several subjects, and not been particularly biased towards pika in the past. Including the fact that he has the credibility and credentials makes it considerably more realistic to see pika as opposed to marth at third without an advocate as strong as ESAM.

Also the way that was worded was weird. Did you honestly feel marth was better than falco, snake or were you compensating against other votes?

 

[Kuro~]

I really can't think of anything DDD has done recently to merit not being below Lucario. At the very least, Lucario has been putting in at least some results and doesn't get punched in the face by most of top tier. Fact is, Lucario can definitely hold his own better against the likes of the higher tiers than DDD can, and this has been a trend since people figured out how to deal with D3's 08 bull****.

ZSS is weird because no one really places her. The ZSS/Pika/Oli/ area is odd because they all share that feature, there isn't a ****ton of people playing as them, especially in Pika and ZSS's case. Nick Riddle for ZSS and Esam for Pika, but past that, how many others can you name?

However, they are both undeniably solid characters. Certainly not high A tier characters, but they are up there, and I'd be willing to say that Pika could still go higher. Pika is truly a really solid character, but the rep and potential usage just isn't there. And to go back to ZSS, to say Fox and Wolf should be that high after the bumps they've both been given these past two tier list updates is somewhat ridiculous. I don't think neither of them are there yet, but it's possible. But that high now? No way.

As for Pit/ROB vs DK/Kirby, I have to say DK is a better character than all three of those others and should not be paired with Kirby. It's unfortunate, but Kirby really just isn't good in this metagame, as much as I hate to say it. I've pretty much dropped Kirby altogether and don't have any plans of picking Kirby back up in the future. There just isn't a point to it, unless I turn around and start loving the fact of getting shut down by nearly everyone that matters in tournament.

And that's the problem with Pit/ROB, by the way. Neither of them really matter in tournament. Unless you're in PA or you're getting trolled by Allied or Vinnie, when are you ever worried about facing a ROB? And Pit, I don't think I've ever been in tournament and thought to myself, "omg what if I face a Pit." The only Pit I can think of in the US is...Koolaid, and he isn't the biggest name in Smash, despite being a solid player.

It's just that the lot of them aren't necessarily "threats". Pikachu is a threat, Olimar is a thread, ZSS is (mostly) a threat. Pit, ROB and Kirby are not.

Nick Riddle
D-torr
Y.b.m
Snaaaaaaaake
Dakpo
Salem?
I know i'm missing some more as well.

Also Gadiel wasn't disputing their current placement. Their placement is justified cuz as you said no1 thinks of them as that good and thus doesn't fear them. But again that's due to terrible rep...you said it yourself only koolaid comes to mind. And with rob sheesh only like 2-3 ppl come to find with him. Kirby one person.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I worked hard at it for two years. That's more than enough time. Also, I originally mained Wario.

Except IC you didn't do anything at all to show that PT wasn't outclassed. If you don't want to go through the whole cast that's understandable, but focus on the top tiers, which are the matchups that are actually relevant. Nobody cares about PT-Luigi or PT-Ness.

Also, nobody has ever referenced the MUs on the PT boards. The fact that they are outdated doesn't change anything. I don't know why you keep circling around that.

Do both of you feel like Fatigue holds PT back a lot? Like without it how good would he be?

And advice if someone wanted to pick up PT in some shape or form, *coughmecough*

 

[Anthon1996]

When is Ganon gonna go up?

 

[Zajice]

When you go back to melee.

 

[Raziek]

Also the way that was worded was weird. Did you honestly feel marth was better than falco, snake or were you compensating against other votes?

Honestly, it's a bit of both. I think Falco is QUITE over-rated, and the only thing keeping him fourth is DEHF and a decent MK match-up.

Snake is probably still better than Marth, I'm just a bit biased because Marth beats Snake, and I really feel his landing flaw will hold him back a big deal if people really took advantage of it.

 

[san.]

For me, I think Falco is a little overrated, but then I couldn't find any reason at all to put him below any of the people underneath him in v5.

 

[Zajice]

Haven't people thought Falco was overrated in every iteration of the tier list?

Yet he's still always been up there.

 

[SpeedyJ]

WOW WOLF..

Stink for G&W.

Glad to finally see Toon Link in high tier (even though "C tier" = high tier looks a bit odd)

 

[CHOMPY]

To be honest, Diddy should be ranked 6th behind Marth simply because you don't really see Diddy on a everyday tournament basis. More importantly, many players are starting to catch onto to Diddy's shananaigans, so they eventually know how to handle the bananas in every situation as well as being able to properly use it against Diddy. Diddy has crappy range and get's out prioritized/out ranged by characters who have swords. Even though Diddy moves are fast and all, the fact that his kill range is what kind of bothers me. Here your racking all of that damage and all of a sudden, Diddy dies to a smash attack at such a early percentage. It seems as though you guys are just basisng on the "Top" players skills, where as not many players can play the way ADHD/Gnes play Diddy. Let alone win as many tournies/place in the top 8 with Diddy. If so, then you guys really need to look at the whole general basis and notice the way most random players or semi good players play Diddy.

 

[Kuro~]

I thought megafox was robfox.

I guess I should change it to ATL south then. Either way I was just messin with iblis(SP?).

Yo son. You forgot our boy Trump!

 

[Zajice]

Tier lists are made based on characters playing at the top of their game, so using top players as a basis isn't a far fetched idea.

 

[Shaya]

I'd like to note that while we have S-H (a lot of 'tiers' I know) there are only 5 'super' tiers.

God, Top, High, Mid, Low.
All the characters in Top are of similar viability, I think most people can agree to this.
The high characters are strong, it's one tier of characters anyway.

MIDDLE gets a pick icky. I'd say the viability of Fox/Wolf is significantly above that of Pokemon Trainer. I suppose you could say that Middle has two noticeable 'cuts'.

Low has two tiers but they're all really bad

The whole 'brawl isn't balanced because there's NINETY BILLION TIERS' is... meh.

 

[tubby]

ha, go wolf XD keep on climbing ike

 

[*JuriHan*]

Doesn't Diddy do better against MK than Snake? I don't play any of those three so I'm asking, but I would imagine Diddy getting juggled much less in the air by him than Snake would. And again does Ally still use Snake?

 

[Jimmyfosho]

he usually uses metaknight now.

 

[Reizilla]

He left the MK-handling to Texas.

 

[Steam]

About as realistic as Pikachu in 3rd, right? Yeah, I'm sure you know who, lmao.

That's bs too. And there's no reason to put them that high :I

Also I agree with seagull's list 100%

 

[Thebest1pj]

there should be a texas icon in s tier with mk

 

[Reizilla]

there should be a TEXAS! icon in s tier with mk

Fixed.

Also, Seagull's list sucks. It looks nothing like the actual list.

 

[sonicrocks44]

Introduction
------------------------------------------------------

Here is the Brawl Back Room's sixth release of its tier list. Unlike the past six month release schedule, this list has come [just over] nine months since version five; we feel that the game has reached a certain level of maturity that does not require as frequent updates - this period of time may be lengthened for subsequent releases.
Also unlike our last release, the BBR has 'split' from rule set creation - and with the unity rule set becoming a growing standard voters were requested to take the unity rule set into account. However, as always, votes placed were based on their own opinion.

Character specific comments will be added within the next few days

BBR Match Up Chart | BBR RC Unity Ruleset

Ver.6
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God
S: (±0)

Top
A: (+1) (-1) (±0)
B: (+1) (-1) (±0) (±0) (±0)

High
C: (+2) (-1) (+1) (-2) (±0)

Middle
D: (+1) (+6) (+2)
E: (+2) (-4) (-3) (-3) (+2)
F: (+2) (-1) (-4) (±0) (±0) (+1) (-1)

Low
G: (±0) (±0) (±0) (+1) (-1)
Hyrule++: (+1) (-1) (±0): (±0)​

Condensed Version:
S: Meta Knight
A: Diddy Kong, Snake, Falco
B: Marth, Wario, Ice Climbers, Olimar, Pikachu
C: Lucario, King Dedede, Zero Suit Samus, Mr. Game & Watch, Toon Link
D: Fox, Wolf, Peach
E: Donkey Kong, Kirby, R.O.B., Pit, Sonic
F: Ike, Sheik/Zelda, Luigi, Sheik, Ness, Yoshi, Pokémon Trainer
G: Lucas, Mario, Bowser, Samus, Captain Falcon
H: Link, Jigglypuff, Zelda, Ganondorf

Low tier tournaments have lost Yoshi. Middle tier tournaments have lost Toon Link

Previous Tier Lists
v1 (September 1, 2008)
v2 (January 1, 2009)
v3 (June 5, 2009)
v4 (February 26, 2010)
v5 (September 25, 2010)

Individual Character Movement
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Voting Procedure & Data
-----------------------------------

Stage one consisted of voting characters in order within three sections (high [1-13], middle [1-15] and low [1-10]). Stage two took the characters which closely bordered High/Middle and Middle/Low and again were voted for in order.

Stage 1

Character	Avg	Mode	Median	Std Dev	Min	Max
Meta Knight	1	1	1	0	1	1
Diddy Kong	2.25	2	2	0.433	2	3
Snake		3.19	3	3	1.025	2	6
Falco		4.07	4	4	0.752	2	7
Marth		5.80	5	6	1.736	3	10
Wario		6.55	6	6	1.425	3	10
Ice Climbers	7.08	7	7	1.526	5	10
Captain Olimar	7.48	8	8	1.017	5	9
Pikachu		7.66	9	8	1.538	3	10
King Dedede	10.78	10	10.5	1.097	8	13
Lucario		10.94	10,11	11	0.914	9	13
Zero Suit Samus	11.92	12,13	12	0.979	9	13
Mr.Game & Watch	12.23	13	13	0.963	10	13
						
						
Character	Avg	Mode	Median	Std Dev	Min	Max
Toon Link	14.78	14	14	1.410	14	21
Fox		15.64	15	15	1.528	14	20
Wolf		17.60	16	17	2.820	14	25
Peach		17.73	16	17	1.875	15	23
Donkey Kong	18.94	18	19	2.090	15	26
Kirby		19.26	21	19	2.279	15	23
R.O.B.		19.32	20	19	3.145	15	28
Pit		19.91	20	20	2.316	15	25
Sonic		20.75	18,22	21	2.301	17	24
Ike		23.05	23	23	1.597	18	27
Luigi		24.07	24	23	1.781	20	28
Sheik / Zelda	24.37	25	25	2.100	18	27
Sheik		26.00	26	26	1.658	19	28
Ness		26.10	27	26	1.175	23	28
Pokémon Trainer	27.42	28	28	1.251	22	28
						
						
Character	Avg	Mode	Median	Std Dev	Min	Max
Yoshi		29.05	29	29	0.293	29	31
Lucas		30.41	30	30	0.921	29	35
Mario		31.19	31	31	1.108	30	36
Bowser		32.69	32	32	1.602	30	37
Samus		33.37	33	33	1.494	31	38
Captain Falcon	33.92	34	34	1.207	32	37
Link		35.30	35	35	1.534	31	38
Jigglypuff	35.66	36	36	1.479	32	38
Zelda		35.73	37	36	1.797	30	38
Ganondorf	37.64	38	38	0.874	34	38

Stage 2

Character	Average
Lucario		1.93
King Dedede	1.96
Zero Suit Samus	2.89
Mr.Game & Watch	4.36
Toon Link	4.59
Fox		5.88
Wolf		6.77
Peach		7.63
	
Character	Average
Ike		1.41
Sheik/Zelda	3.02
Luigi		3.18
Sheik		4.27
Ness		4.64
Yoshi		5.32
Pokémon Trainer	6.66
Lucas		7.66
Mario		8.84

Character Movement Explained
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Come back later =)

DISCUSS AWAY!​

can u suggest lux be higher please i main him

 

[Steam]

Then the thread died

 

[Reizilla]

Is this the part of the thread where we all start quoting the OP to make sure that everyone else knows exactly what we're talking about?

Introduction
------------------------------------------------------

Here is the Brawl Back Room's sixth release of its tier list. Unlike the past six month release schedule, this list has come [just over] nine months since version five; we feel that the game has reached a certain level of maturity that does not require as frequent updates - this period of time may be lengthened for subsequent releases.
Also unlike our last release, the BBR has 'split' from rule set creation - and with the unity rule set becoming a growing standard voters were requested to take the unity rule set into account. However, as always, votes placed were based on their own opinion.

Character specific comments will be added within the next few days

BBR Match Up Chart | BBR RC Unity Ruleset

Ver.6
------------------------------------------------------

God
S: (±0)

Top
A: (+1) (-1) (±0)
B: (+1) (-1) (±0) (±0) (±0)

High
C: (+2) (-1) (+1) (-2) (±0)

Middle
D: (+1) (+6) (+2)
E: (+2) (-4) (-3) (-3) (+2)
F: (+2) (-1) (-4) (±0) (±0) (+1) (-1)

Low
G: (±0) (±0) (±0) (+1) (-1)
Hyrule++: (+1) (-1) (±0): (±0)​

Condensed Version:
S: Meta Knight
A: Diddy Kong, Snake, Falco
B: Marth, Wario, Ice Climbers, Olimar, Pikachu
C: Lucario, King Dedede, Zero Suit Samus, Mr. Game & Watch, Toon Link
D: Fox, Wolf, Peach
E: Donkey Kong, Kirby, R.O.B., Pit, Sonic
F: Ike, Sheik/Zelda, Luigi, Sheik, Ness, Yoshi, Pokémon Trainer
G: Lucas, Mario, Bowser, Samus, Captain Falcon
H: Link, Jigglypuff, Zelda, Ganondorf

Low tier tournaments have lost Yoshi. Middle tier tournaments have lost Toon Link

Previous Tier Lists
v1 (September 1, 2008)
v2 (January 1, 2009)
v3 (June 5, 2009)
v4 (February 26, 2010)
v5 (September 25, 2010)

Individual Character Movement
------------------------------------------------------


Voting Procedure & Data
-----------------------------------

Stage one consisted of voting characters in order within three sections (high [1-13], middle [1-15] and low [1-10]). Stage two took the characters which closely bordered High/Middle and Middle/Low and again were voted for in order.

Stage 1

Character	Avg	Mode	Median	Std Dev	Min	Max
Meta Knight	1	1	1	0	1	1
Diddy Kong	2.25	2	2	0.433	2	3
Snake		3.19	3	3	1.025	2	6
Falco		4.07	4	4	0.752	2	7
Marth		5.80	5	6	1.736	3	10
Wario		6.55	6	6	1.425	3	10
Ice Climbers	7.08	7	7	1.526	5	10
Captain Olimar	7.48	8	8	1.017	5	9
Pikachu		7.66	9	8	1.538	3	10
King Dedede	10.78	10	10.5	1.097	8	13
Lucario		10.94	10,11	11	0.914	9	13
Zero Suit Samus	11.92	12,13	12	0.979	9	13
Mr.Game & Watch	12.23	13	13	0.963	10	13
						
						
Character	Avg	Mode	Median	Std Dev	Min	Max
Toon Link	14.78	14	14	1.410	14	21
Fox		15.64	15	15	1.528	14	20
Wolf		17.60	16	17	2.820	14	25
Peach		17.73	16	17	1.875	15	23
Donkey Kong	18.94	18	19	2.090	15	26
Kirby		19.26	21	19	2.279	15	23
R.O.B.		19.32	20	19	3.145	15	28
Pit		19.91	20	20	2.316	15	25
Sonic		20.75	18,22	21	2.301	17	24
Ike		23.05	23	23	1.597	18	27
Luigi		24.07	24	23	1.781	20	28
Sheik / Zelda	24.37	25	25	2.100	18	27
Sheik		26.00	26	26	1.658	19	28
Ness		26.10	27	26	1.175	23	28
Pokémon Trainer	27.42	28	28	1.251	22	28
						
						
Character	Avg	Mode	Median	Std Dev	Min	Max
Yoshi		29.05	29	29	0.293	29	31
Lucas		30.41	30	30	0.921	29	35
Mario		31.19	31	31	1.108	30	36
Bowser		32.69	32	32	1.602	30	37
Samus		33.37	33	33	1.494	31	38
Captain Falcon	33.92	34	34	1.207	32	37
Link		35.30	35	35	1.534	31	38
Jigglypuff	35.66	36	36	1.479	32	38
Zelda		35.73	37	36	1.797	30	38
Ganondorf	37.64	38	38	0.874	34	38

Stage 2

Character	Average
Lucario		1.93
King Dedede	1.96
Zero Suit Samus	2.89
Mr.Game & Watch	4.36
Toon Link	4.59
Fox		5.88
Wolf		6.77
Peach		7.63
	
Character	Average
Ike		1.41
Sheik/Zelda	3.02
Luigi		3.18
Sheik		4.27
Ness		4.64
Yoshi		5.32
Pokémon Trainer	6.66
Lucas		7.66
Mario		8.84

Character Movement Explained
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Come back later =)

DISCUSS AWAY!​

 

[Thebest1pj]

man if all gonna stop tls from makin money in mid tier tourneys cuz we def aint makin it in reg tourneys at least give us some points like u gonna put us in high tier just to do it?


bbr is gay

 

[John12346]

Edit: Actually, ignore, this was a bit in bad taste...

 

[-Ran]

My votes:

Spoiler

High:
1. Meta Knight
2. Diddy Kong
3. Falco
4. Snake
5. Marth
6. Wario
7. Pikachu
8. Olimar
9. Ice Climbers
10. Lucario
11. Zero Suit Samus
12. King Dedede
13. Mr. Game and Watch

Mid Tier
1. Toon Link [Should move on up.] [Flyro Bias. I feel he's just as good as Lucario.]
2. Fox
3. Donkey Kong
4. Peach
5. Sonic
6. Wolf
7. R.O.B.
8. Ike
9. Pit
10. Kirby
11. Luigi
12. Ness
13. Sheik/Zelda
14. Sheik
15. Pokemon Trainer


Low:
1. Yoshi [Move up plox]
2. Lucas
3. Mario
4. Bowser
5. Samus
6. Link
7. Captain Falcon
8. Zelda
9. Jigglypuff
10. Ganondorf

 

[Exegguter]

I bet 85% of the bbr doesn't know **** about jiggs/has never ever played a good jiggs, so they'd just put her 2nd/3th worse for no reason.. Kinda amusing.

 

[Suspect]

but the bbr knows everything, they govern us and control us bro

 

[Kewkky]

I bet 85% of the bbr doesn't know **** about jiggs/has never ever played a good jiggs, so they'd just put her 2nd/3th worse for no reason.. Kinda amusing.

Doesn't this apply to more than half of the entire Brawl community? Come on man.

 

[-Ran]

She's bad, and there's no reason to split hairs if she's worse than Ganon or better than Mario. I'm sure we can all agree that she's Low-Tier, and that she represents less than 1% of the competitive metagame, combined with the rest of the low tier characters. I, personally, hate subdividing characters into number order and into categories down to the letter H. I'm content with just having characters in the main tiers that matter:

Top - Da Bess.
High - Bulk of tournament match ups. Can survive in the Metagame without secondaries.
Middle - Pocket/Counter Pick Potential. Viable in some smaller regions as a main.
Low - Exotic counter-picks. Exposes match-up inexperience. Not truly viable.

Don't worry about the number values associated with characters, but rather the groupings that they are with.

 

[Suspect]

Doesn't this apply to more than half of the entire Brawl community? Come on man.

Except we aren't all the bbr. The bbr is suppose to be all knowing. Come on man

 

[Conviction]

A good Jiggly main is hard to come by when there are only 4 actives ones. LOL

 

[Suspect]

How many active samus mains are there?

 

[Conviction]

More than there are Jigglypuffs.

F Tier



-35

-32

Word.

 

[Suspect]

so we go from having 4 active jiggs to 32 in like 15 minutes

word

 

[Conviction]

I guess the word exaggeration is not your vocab. Plus that data means there have been 32 appearances of Jiggz at tournies not 32 different ones and it's easy to tell there aren't 32 jiggz don't be stupid about it LOL.

4x8=32

 

[Suspect]

Im gonna be stupid about it if you are. Samus has good mains and there arent many active samus players.

 

[Conviction]

Data still show more Samus's that Jiggz. Whatchu talkin bout Willis.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Samus has a few players and they're all insanely good, it's weird

 

[Cassio]

Iblis learn when to stop talking, lol. Your point was poor in the first place.