[NSW] Hunter Valley Smash - Back in business!

[Zero]

By car, roughly 2 hours, by train, 3 to 4. Ask Gong about it, they've made the trip a few times.

 

[swordsaint]

Sounds good, now if only someone would give me a lift by car. =P

 

[isthattim?]

Grow some p-plates
i'll be there, with pills

 

[S.D]

So which date is shaping up as most appropriate?

12th so far has Ted's vote, anyone else have preferences?

 

[tedeth]

Everyone votes for the 12th.

There we have it it's the 12th

Zero make it the 12th and I'll money match you with my wario.

 

[Toby.]

Everyone votes for the 12th.

There we have it it's the 12th

Zero make it the 12th and I'll money match you with my wario.

I'd take him up on that zero. Free money

 

[swordsaint]

The 12th it is then.

 

[tedeth]

How about ultimate easter mini-tourney where everyone must play as yoshi and the prize is an easter egg.

 

[luke_atyeo]

lol the 12th actually works out really well for me by the looks of it, if I get the time off work that'll be right before I come down to Sydney to chill and get my skills back up.
can anyone host me? I'm fun to host cause I shout my host's dinner.

 

[SummonerAU]

<3 Hunter tourney

Sounds like it's going to be a huge success.
@Tedeth: Egg KO's result in bonus eggs for all

Tim, let's have a GH3 rematch there if we get the chance :D (although I don't really remember who I was playing at your meet)

I'll put myself down for 2 or 3 TVs, Wii, Brawl and Melee

 

[luke_atyeo]

even though I havnt played gh3 in like 6 months I'll money match any challenger

 

[Jazz77vivi]

There's only one minor set-back...

the hall is next door to a church, and therefore is owned by the church.
Now, i do know the person who owns it, and there shouldn't be any real issues, except...

It's Easter Sunday, there's a likelyhood that the hall may be in use (i will clarify this within the next few days) and if it isn't church still finishes at 9-9.30-ish, so we'd have to probably wait untilthen to get in

That's all ifs and buts though, probably wont happen

 

[luke_atyeo]

just make lots of references about how you die in the game, but 3 stocks later you come back to life (wait what?)
also if snake had a beard he would be jesus

 

[Zero]

That would be a worst case sceranio. So by mass opinion, the 12th it is. I'll start organising things with JRum and such. But now the debate lies whether or not we play Melee and Brawl, or just Brawl. Just Brawl would allow a double round robin, with an approximated 600 games in total played, with everyone playing everyone twice (with 25 people in attendance). Of course, that's just a projection based on who has travel history (ACT adds like 5 to the list lol), but the essence is the same. If both Melee and Brawl were there, our our resources would be divided (ideally equally) between Melee and Brawl, slowing both events down.

SO

Poll: Melee and Brawl, or just Brawl?

Reasons for Brawl: much larger prize pot for Brawl, more games for everyone.
Reasons for Melee: It's Melee.

 

[swordsaint]

MeleeL It's Melee. We need Melee. Or my sleepless nights the past few days have been in vain.

 

[SummonerAU]

even though I haven't played gh3 in like 6 months I'll money match any challenger

I might actually take you up on that. I dunno, maybe after a few practise games.

 

[Gords]

well the 26th would suit me better, but i will see what i can do about the 12th. if i can convince mum and the family to celebrate easter on the saturday i will be good to go.

 

[swordsaint]

ugh, right, that whole lets celebrate fake magical bunnies which hand out chocolate eggs thing. I might have to run away for a day.

 

[luke_atyeo]

ugh, right, that whole lets celebrate fake magical bunnies which hand out chocolate eggs thing. I might have to run away for a day.

more like the whole hey lets take some religion's most sacred day and turn it into some ****ty commercial money scam and defile the importance of the day.
dont you love corparations

 

[swordsaint]

I love them whole heartedly. Without them, we wouldn't have moments like these.

 

[Zero]

I sure do. It means the religious driving force in my home is out to work, leaving Easter to itself and us to Smash.

 

[Dedu]

I wub bunnies too <3

Lets go to the center of the Earth where the eggs are claimed to be made, according to Cadbury's chocobunnies. Nom nom nom.
Creme eggs, here I come!

 

[luke_atyeo]

OM NOM NOM I LOVE CHOCOLATE!!!

10caps

 

[Zero]

Cadbury creme eggs are the best easter treat ever ever ever made.

100deliciouseggs

 

[Dedu]

Lets eat em rite now!

 

[S.D]

I would like to see melee involved. May attract more interest also.

I'm not a huge fan of the double round robin unless it's a particularly small tournament (which it may end up being) but otherwise it seems quite difficult to co-ordinate and run efficiently. Atm I'm enjoying the pools to double elim system, which gives everyone a fair chance and a good number of tournament matches. Swiss is another good system.

Just my thoughts.

 

[luke_atyeo]

swiss is better than pools, for instance at teds tourney jambo, who is a good player and should have made it to the top 16, didn't because he got a pool with someone I cant remember, shaya and meteor, that is the flaw with pools, its not always balanced.

 

[tedeth]

The point is, it's fast, and if it's a round robin of everyone, that's even more balanced than swiss.

 

[Zero]

A round robin is incredibly streamlined, with a preset order of matches. I've created a program that automatically creates the drawsheet for n amount of players, which means that when coordinated with the number of TVs that we have, we can have every match in a single round robin (ideally) done before lunchtime. It's a tossup between a single round robin in both Melee and Brawl, a double round robin in Brawl, or Swiss in both. I'm leaning towards single for both, which means it will probably be a single in both.

But I'm 100% certain that the round robin will give everyone their bang for their buck, getting to play against every player attending, twice at least. When the tournament is all the way in the Hunter Valley, you want to be playing as much Smash as possible.

Top x players go into a double elim bracket, as per usual.

Swiss would mean everyone plays the same amount of games, but not against everyone.

Also a quick question for those who answer in the next 4 hours or so, prize pot of 70/20/10 or 60/30, or for just the top 2? I'm new to actual prize distribution and I don't want to break the general consensus, so 8)

 

[EverAlert]

The main reason 1-pool RR doesn't see widespread use is, like tedeth hinted at, because it's inefficient timewise.


Double RR is ********. There's no point having a second RR when the first one already perfectly states who the best players are and in what order. It just wastes time. Two games with single RR each just... allows us to play both games. Nothing else changes in terms of overall number of games played, accuracy of results, etc. etc.

My vote goes to Melee. I also vote 60/30/10 for more balanced prizes. :3


Also I think for future tourneys, we should start with crews matches right off the bat. That way, there's no chance of some people holding up crews because they're stuck in a tourney match.

 

[Zero]

The main reason 1-pool RR doesn't see widespread use is, like tedeth hinted at, because it's inefficient timewise.


Double RR is ********. There's no point having a second RR when the first one already perfectly states who the best players are and in what order. It just wastes time. Two games with single RR each just... allows us to play both games. Nothing else changes in terms of overall number of games played, accuracy of results, etc. etc.

My vote goes to Melee. I also vote 60/30/10 for more balanced prizes. :3


Also I think for future tourneys, we should start with crews matches right off the bat. That way, there's no chance of some people holding up crews because they're stuck in a tourney match.

Playing 1-pool RR, given the correct amount of resources, can turn out to be as fast, if not faster than pools. Say you have 12 TV's for a tournament of 24, so each round of 12 is completed within a cycle. Each cycle will take around 6 to 10 minutes, including time to record scores. Since the match draw for a round robin is easily calculable and maintained, you can efficiently start playing a new match each cycle. With 24 people, there would be 272 games, with everyone playing everyone. With 12 games being played every, let's say, 10 minutes, will have the round robin done in < 5 hours, ideally. With only singles events to take care of at this tournament, it seems ideal.

I can empathise with Tedeth since he hosted doubles as well, which rationalised his decision, but since I am deciding against doubles, this is much more ideal.

Crew matches at the start is a good idea and should not take more than 2 hours.

EDIT: Double RR is for fun. If someone was coming out here to play Smash, ,it's a given that they actually want to play Smash, since they travelled all this way. The double RR is a way to provide that.

 

[Shaya]

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

Don't fix what ain't broke.

etc etc

 

[Dedu]

true that.

swiss gets more intense the longer it goes as you verse closer to your level players though.

 

[S.D]

Well it sounds like you've thought it out pretty well so I'm sure whatever you decide to go with will turn out fine.

All systems are good in different ways.

No doubles huh?

70/20/10 maybe?

 

[EverAlert]

inb4 all those likely to win voting on 70/20/10.

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

What he said. Protip: you're not going to get one TV for every two people. Ever.

Playing 1-pool RR, given the correct amount of resources, can turn out to be as fast, if not faster than pools.

You're high.



Honestly I have no problem with you running 1-pool RR, but when it comes to which system is more efficient, there really is no discussion.

 

[luke_atyeo]

if you set up a round robin the default way on tio you play 2 rounds when you verse someone so you dont really need a double round robin do you?
I guess you really need to see how many tv's you can get, if I come I can bring at least 1 tv and a wii,
also you should totally keep doubles.

 

[Gords]

My 2 cents

I would prefer the 12th over the 26th.

Swiss or tedeths style pools, then have a top cut.

Both melée and brawl to be played.

Crews first then singles. Only have doubles if time permits.

Well that's what I have to say. But it is up to you zero these are just my opinions.


@ SD
How high do I rank on your coolometer?

 

[Shaya]

I was gonna say 70/20/10

But then I thought that would be mean to tcranter, after another epic tournament final where I ***** out another top tier to rage him :D

 

[Toby.]

Shayas always thinking about the little people. He truly is a benevolent ruler

 

[S.D]

I was gonna say 70/20/10

But then I thought that would be mean to tcranter, after another epic tournament final where I ***** out another top tier to rage him :D

Too bad whoever is in finals will be losing to me XD