Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Swamp Sensei]

Just saying guys. I recently did a poll so we can stop arguments like this. Dixie Kong, Bandana Waddle Dee AND Waluigi are all some of the most popular first party candidates. Period.

(Also Funky Kong was there somehow.)

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Smash and Mario Kart don't necessarily have the same audience / the audience doesn't necessarily expect the same things from them.
I can already hear the complaints if a good chunk of the 3rd party characters and/or the deep cut Nintendo characters get cut like many people are predicting (hoping?) while Waluigi gets added: "They turned Smash into just another lame Mario spin-off!"

The dude would work best in a EiHA scenario where he can blend in the crowd.

 

[NintenRob]

Sales honestly mean very little in regards to Smash Bros. If it was serious argument, we'd have a roster that looks more like Mario Kart 8. There's so much more nuance to it.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Just saying guys. I recently did a poll so we can stop arguments like this. Dixie Kong, Bandana Waddle Dee AND Waluigi are all some of the most popular first party candidates. Period.

(Also Funky Kong was there somehow.)

They got down with the sickness.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah but I think most people would recognize Waluigi on a whim anyway. Not to mention his eccentric looks and personality are more of a draw than a female monkey with a ponytail and a generic enemy with a bandana.

Of course those characters have support, but nowhere near the level of Waluigi's.

We can speculate, but in the end we don't know. Dixie is still the most major character from a highly popular franchise that's included with Smash and Mario all the time. So there's that.

Also you dismissed Toad and he has way more recognisability and fame than Waluigi, Dixie and Bandana Dee combined. So there's that to consider.

Another character I wanna bring to your attention here is Funky Kong. He has both the factors of Waluigi and Dixie combined. Insanely popular cause of one particular inclusion in MK Wii, so he's a good case to measure exactly how much popularity a character can get from one big inclusion like this.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Can you imagine Baby Daisy as a fighter? That...actually I dunno if the silliness factor would outweigh the fact that it'd mean I'd have to beat up a baby...

 

[DarthEnderX]

(Also Funky Kong was there somehow.)

Somehow...

Can you imagine Baby Daisy as a fighter?

I'm doing it right now. While coincidentally also tying a rope into a noose.

 

[ninjahmos]

So…apparently there's a rumor that Genki just leaked the Switch 2's reveal.

At this point, I think Nintendo is just letting people leak it.

 

[Lukingordex]

Can you imagine Baby Daisy as a fighter? That...actually I dunno if the silliness factor would outweigh the fact that it'd mean I'd have to beat up a baby...

You can already beat up 11 year old kids (). We're not too far from that, really.

By the way, if you take the anime into account, is a baby.

 

[superprincess]

Can you imagine Baby Daisy as a fighter? That...actually I dunno if the silliness factor would outweigh the fact that it'd mean I'd have to beat up a baby...

You already can. Pichu is a baby Pokémon.

 

[dream1ng]

Smash and Mario Kart don't necessarily have the same audience / the audience doesn't necessarily expect the same things from them.

Mario Kart and Smash do have a lot of overlap. At numbers like 30, 40, 50, 60 mil, you're including a lot of casual consumers who play it just because it's a fun, established, easy to pick up and play game with well known faces.

Of course you dive into smaller fractions of the audience and yes of course it differs, but the vast, silent majority buys Smash because it's basically a Nintendo staple like Kart and whatever the mainline Mario game is.

I can already hear the complaints if a good chunk of the 3rd party characters and/or the deep cut Nintendo characters get cut like many people are predicting (hoping?) while Waluigi gets added: "They turned Smash into just another lame Mario spin-off!"

Do you envision the next Smash game as cutting half the roster and only adding Waluigi?

Do you think they're not going to add new third-parties? They're not going to add new deeper cuts?

Also... people want Waluigi. He's the most popular first-party request. It's not adding like... three baby versions. Adding one more Mario character doesn't make this Mario Kart's roster. Especially because, conversely, some Mario characters will probably also be cut.

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Sales honestly mean very little in regards to Smash Bros. If it was serious argument, we'd have a roster that looks more like Mario Kart 8. There's so much more nuance to it.

Indeed. Mario Kart has always been more mainstream than 90% of the other series in Smash, if that was the only factor Waluigi would have been in since forever.
Instead they've always been very specific in making sure for Smash to not feel just like any other Mario spin-off, deliberately holding back from flooding the roster with Mario characters. Ever since Smash 64 really, but they also avoided adding Wario to Melee, and they only really started to expand the Mario cast when the roster was very big already.
Even then Rosalina and Bowser Jr. got in for their gameplay possibilities first and foremost, but they also come from the main series too. Daisy is a freebie and Plant is a joke character.
Waluigi instead doesn't really offer much in terms of gameplay and he's the definition of Mario spin-off roster filler, that's his entire function.

He's still a notable character and he could be pretty funny, but I don't think he's as guaranteed or as big of a slam dunk as he's presented as.

 

[MBRedboy31]

On the topic of Waluigi, in SSF2 his up air looks like Sonic’s up air (he flips upside down and claps his legs together,) but, contrary to all logic as to what an up air is supposed to do, especially one that looks very similar to another move used by another character, it launches the opponent straight down. It doesn’t make any sense, yet, Waluigi is one of the few characters they can give a move a bizarre hitbox property like that and you’d just think, “Yeah, that fits.”

I‘m not that concerned on if Waluigi joins or not but I wonder if the Smash team would come up with any shenanigans like that.

 

[NintenRob]

I think I'm ready to brain fart a roster

With Smash 6 just around the corner, prediction rosters are running rampant. I think I'm ready to brain fart my own prediction. I want my brain fart to be semi realistic, so I'll aim for about 12 newcomers, the usual amount for a Smash game. I'll call it unbias while adding every character I want, but I'll justify them as making sense, I'll also avoid any characters I don't want because I think Geno is dumb. I'll aim for 65 characters + Echoes, just a little under Smash Ultimate base. I think this is a good amount but I might increase this number as I find it difficult to include all the characters I want. Sora is character 82 which means 29 cuts. Let's figure those out first before I'm forced to increase my roster already

CUTS:

1. Spoiler: Cuts

Ok with that nonsense out of the way. Let's figure out newcomers

1. Spoiler: Newcomers

That's my list, also new echo fighters

Funky Kong
Jeanne (I'm gonna add back Bayonetta)
Tom Nook

That's it

So that means, with a roster of 75, my brain fart looks like

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach / Daisy
4. Bowser
5. Rosalina
6. Bowser Jr
7. Waluigi
8. Pauline
9. Yoshi
10. Wario
11. Donkey Kong / Funky Kong
12. Diddy Kong
13. Dixie Kong
14. King K Rool
15. Link
16. Zelda
17. Ganondorf
18. Sheik
19. Toon Link
20. Skull Kid
21. Samus / Dark Samus
22. Zero Suit Samus
23. Ridley
24. Kirby
25. Meta Knight
26. King Dedede
27. Bandana Dee
28. Fox
29. Falco
30. Wolf
31. Pikachu
32. Pokémon Trainer
33. Jigglypuff
34. Mewtwo
35. Lucario
36. Greninja
37. ZillerZalla
38. Ness
39. Lucas
40. Captain Falcon
41. Mr. Game & Watch
42. Ice Climbers
43. Marth / Lucina
44. Roy / Chrom
45. Ike
46. Robin
47. Byleth
48. Olimar
49. R.O.B.
50. Pit / Dark Pit
51. Palutena
52. Sonic
53. Shadow
54. Villager
55. Isabelle / Tom Nook
56. Mega Man
57. Wii Fit Trainer
58. Little Mac
59. Pac-Man
60. Shulk
61. Pyra & Mythra
62. Noah
63. Duck Hunt
64. Ryu / Ken
65. Bayonetta / Jeanne
66. Inkling
67. Squid Sisters
68. Banjo & Kazooie
69. Terry
70. Min Min
71. Steve
72. Kazuya
73. Isaac
74. Ring Fit
75. Hayabusa

Hope I didn't miss any obvious veteran.

Honourable mentions
Magolor
Midna
Raven Beak
King Boo
Ashley (the Wario Ware character)



Also Oatchi is the new Piranha Plant and is free DLC for early purchases

 

[SubspaceJigglypuff]

You can already beat up 11 year old kids (). We're not too far from that, really.

Ness is actually 12/13 (depending on where you live)

 

[Shinuto]

I think I'm ready to brain fart a roster

With Smash 6 just around the corner, prediction rosters are running rampant. I think I'm ready to brain fart my own prediction. I want my brain fart to be semi realistic, so I'll aim for about 12 newcomers, the usual amount for a Smash game. I'll call it unbias while adding every character I want, but I'll justify them as making sense, I'll also avoid any characters I don't want because I think Geno is dumb. I'll aim for 65 characters + Echoes, just a little under Smash Ultimate base. I think this is a good amount but I might increase this number as I find it difficult to include all the characters I want. Sora is character 82 which means 29 cuts. Let's figure those out first before I'm forced to increase my roster already

CUTS:

1. Spoiler: Cuts

Ok with that nonsense out of the way. Let's figure out newcomers

1. Spoiler: Newcomers

That's my list, also new echo fighters

Funky Kong
Jeanne (I'm gonna add back Bayonetta)
Tom Nook

That's it

So that means, with a roster of 75, my brain fart looks like

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach / Daisy
4. Bowser
5. Rosalina
6. Bowser Jr
7. Waluigi
8. Pauline
9. Yoshi
10. Wario
11. Donkey Kong / Funky Kong
12. Diddy Kong
13. Dixie Kong
14. King K Rool
15. Link
16. Zelda
17. Ganondorf
18. Sheik
19. Toon Link
20. Skull Kid
21. Samus / Dark Samus
22. Zero Suit Samus
23. Ridley
24. Kirby
25. Meta Knight
26. King Dedede
27. Bandana Dee
28. Fox
29. Falco
30. Wolf
31. Pikachu
32. Pokémon Trainer
33. Jigglypuff
34. Mewtwo
35. Lucario
36. Greninja
37. ZillerZalla
38. Ness
39. Lucas
40. Captain Falcon
41. Mr. Game & Watch
42. Ice Climbers
43. Marth / Lucina
44. Roy / Chrom
45. Ike
46. Robin
47. Byleth
48. Olimar
49. R.O.B.
50. Pit / Dark Pit
51. Palutena
52. Sonic
53. Shadow
54. Villager
55. Isabelle / Tom Nook
56. Mega Man
57. Wii Fit Trainer
58. Little Mac
59. Pac-Man
60. Shulk
61. Pyra & Mythra
62. Noah
63. Duck Hunt
64. Ryu / Ken
65. Bayonetta / Jeanne
66. Inkling
67. Squid Sisters
68. Banjo & Kazooie
69. Terry
70. Min Min
71. Steve
72. Kazuya
73. Isaac
74. Ring Fit
75. Hayabusa

Hope I didn't miss any obvious veteran.

Honourable mentions
Magolor
Midna
Raven Beak
King Boo
Ashley (the Wario Ware character)



Also Oatchi is the new Piranha Plant and is free DLC for early purchases

It's not good imo

 

[RodNutTakin]

Got motivated to re-evaluate my 96% honest prediction roster.

=Base Game=
1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach/Daisy
4. Bowser
5. Bowser Jr.
6. Waluigi
7. Wario
8. Yoshi
9. Donkey Kong
10. Diddy Kong
11. Dixie Kong
12. King K. Rool
13. Little Mac
14. Ice Climbers
15. Link
16. Zelda
17. Ganondorf
18. Impa
19. Samus/Dark Samus
20. Ridley
21. Pit
22. Captain Falcon
23. Kirby
24. King Dedede
25. Meta Knight
26. Waddle Dee
27. Olimar/Louie
28. Ness
29. Pikachu
30. Jigglypuff
31. Mewtwo
32. Lucario
33. Greninja
34. [New Pokémon]
35. Fox
36. Falco
37. Villager
38. Isabelle
39. Inkling
40. Octoling
41. Min Min
42. Ring Fit Trainee
43. Marth/Lucina
44. Ike
45. Robin
46. Byleth
47. Shulk
48. Pyra & Mythra
49. Noah OR Mio
50. Howard
51. [Fan demand pick/Ballot leftover]
52. Mr. Game & Watch
53. R.O.B.
54. Duck Hunt
55. [New surprise character]
56. Sonic
57. Shadow
58. Bayonetta/Jeanne
59. Mega Man
60. Zero
61. Ryu/Ken
62. Pac-Man
63. Simon/Richter
64. Snake
65. Bomberman
66. Cloud
67. Hero
68. Terry
69. Banjo & Kazooie
70. Steve
71. Mii Brawler
72. Mii Swordfighter
73. Mii Gunner

Sephiroth, Kazuya, Sora, and maybe Joker are purposefully held back as FP DLC. Other select cut veterans would return through cheaply-priced DLC seperate from main Fighters' Passes.

=DLC Newcomers (non-exhaustive, in no particular order)=
*. [New FE Lord]
*. [At least two other future release characters]
*. Hayabusa
*. Arle
*. Crono OR 2B
*. Crash
*. Dante OR Leon OR something from Monster Hunter
*. [New Atlus character if Joker is left behind. Perhaps the Metaphor protag?]
*. Sol Badguy
*. Doomguy
*. Tako
*. Adol

 

[Nabbitfan730]

It's shocking to me that we've had the Switch 2 leaked several times and we still don't have any game leaks for it.

Maybe cuz the reveal is around the corner like how NX did it then games showcased later via ND.

Also most launch titles for it are NS1 games anyways

 

[Garteam]

It's shocking to me that we've had the Switch 2 leaked several times and we still don't have any game leaks for it.

This is what has me concerned. The Switch succeeded (in part) because it had an outstanding 2017 that won a lot of people over after the droughts of the Wii U. If 2025 doesn't have the software necessary to incentivize people to jump, that lack of momentum could carry through the rest of the generation in the form of lethargic sales and decreased third-party support.

Nintendo probably knows this and, if they are concerned about the Switch 2's year 1, that would explain why they've been so hesitant to announce anything about the console beyond "it exists, please don't dump our stock". They're buying the time necessary to have a bunch of software ready to go.

I'm hoping this is just Nintendo keeping their cards close to their chest. If Sakurai's new project is Smash and the rumours of a new Mario Kart and 3-D Mario are true, I think that's a solid enough launch to win a lot of people over.

 

[BuckleyTim]

I don't really worry about nintendo's prospects because interest for the switch hasn't faded like the Wii's did going into the Wii u. The circumstances that led to the U's flop just kinda don't exist for the switch 2, especially since they're bringing mainline pokemon to the system most likely by year 2 of its existence.

Granted I could be wrong and it'll be too expensive with no big hook... But as long as one comes eventually and it's cheaper than what Sony's offering it'll eventually do well.

 

[RileyXY1]

This is what has me concerned. The Switch succeeded (in part) because it had an outstanding 2017 that won a lot of people over after the droughts of the Wii U. If 2025 doesn't have the software necessary to incentivize people to jump, that lack of momentum could carry through the rest of the generation in the form of lethargic sales and decreased third-party support.

Nintendo probably knows this and, if they are concerned about the Switch 2's year 1, that would explain why they've been so hesitant to announce anything about the console beyond "it exists, please don't dump our stock". They're buying the time necessary to have a bunch of software ready to go.

I'm hoping this is just Nintendo keeping their cards close to their chest. If Sakurai's new project is Smash and the rumours of a new Mario Kart and 3-D Mario are true, I think that's a solid enough launch to win a lot of people over.

I'm mostly concerned that they would be so paranoid about the Switch 2 not having a massive launch lineup that they would force Game Freak to rush Gen 10 out to have it by Holiday 2025 so they could have another massive Holiday game to sell more Switch 2s.

 

[pitchfulprocessing]

My main concern is that they won't call the console Switch Tuah.

 

[Jave]

I just hope that when Switch 2 is revealed, someone during the event just makes a comment and says "Yes, we're making Smash Bros." so there's finally an excuse to re-open the character support threads. Having all character discussion condensed into this thread is really getting overwhelming.

 

[SPEN18]

Having all character discussion condensed into this thread is really getting overwhelming.

If a new Smash is announced, though, site traffic will drastically increase. A dearth of news and expectations for a new game is gonna lead to the least overwhelming experience overall.
Unless you're only looking to discuss a handful of specific characters rather than the overarching game and roster, in which case yeah divvying up into support threads is going to make it easier to focus on that.

 

[BuckleyTim]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

 

[DarthEnderX]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

I mean, all of my most wanteds' threads are gonna be on my Watchlist.

 

[AreJay25]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

Rayman's.

Again. For the third time.

... it's eventually gonna be a fourth time isn't it

 

[Perkilator]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

Probably Waluigi. In for a penny and all that. I’m probably also going to open some support threads of my own, like:

• Rauru
• Raven Beak
• Magolor
• Alear
• Noah & Mio
• Shadow the Hedgehog
• Chun-Li
• Alucard
• Aigis
• Roxas
• Estelle Bright

 

[Jave]

Threads I’ll be supporting when Smash 6 is announced.

• Alear
• Arle
• Ashley
• Waluigi
• Dixie Kong
• Phoenix Wright
• Chun-Li
• Athena Asamiya
• Terra (FF6)
• Captain Toad
• Marin
• Ayumi

Probably a lot more, but these are my most wanted for this cycle.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Rayman's.

Again. For the third time.

... it's eventually gonna be a fourth time isn't it

looks over at the current state of Ubisoft

Most likely... for more reasons than one...

 

[dezeray112]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

Anyone associated with the fighting game genre (Street Fighter, Fatal Fury, Tekken etc) for me.

 

[Gorgonzales]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

Probably Louie or Oatchi.

 

[Stratos]

My favorite topics are the newcomers and Adventure Mode for the Super Smash Bros. series. Also my favorite topic is the discussion about supposed new Pokémon, i.e. where they are inspired by and what types they are. Of course, the supposed new Pokémon I'm thinking of are very many and of course I want them to be new Pokémon that The Pokémon Company itself has created. Also, surely some of you, like me, have visited Bulbapedia and you will have seen the article "List of disputed and unidentified Pokémon", this made me think and write on ChatGPT about various ideas for supposed new Pokémon.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

oh hey, Nintendo uploaded the trailer for Emio's epilogue. SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED OR BEATEN IT YET

Spoiler

 

[Gengar84]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

I’ll probably have to create a bunch myself since I kind of doubt anyone else is going to make support threads for a lot of my most wanted. A few of these, like Zero probably will so I’ll follow those. Here’s some of my most wanted characters for Smash (I’ll put my top 10 in purple):

First Party:

• Gengar (Pokémon)
• Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
• Impa - HW version (Legend of Zelda)
• E.M.M.I. (Metroid)
• Goomba (Super Mario)
• Bugzzy (Kirby)
• Nia (Xenoblade)
• Jena Anderson (Astral Chain)
• Medusa (Kid Icarus)
• The Black Knight (Fire Emblem)

Third Party:

• Rash/Pimple/Zitz (Battletoads)
• Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
• Jinx (League of Legends)
• Illidan Stormrage (WarCraft)
• Sarah Kerrigan (StarCraft)
• Magus (Chrono Trigger)
• Alphen and Shionne (Tales of)
• Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
• Zero (Mega Man X)
• Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)
• Bill Rizer/Lance Bean (Contra)
• Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
• Xemnas (Kingdom Hearts)
• Etna (Disgaea)
• H’aanit (Octopath Traveller)
• Princess Garnet (Final Fantasy)
• Raziel (Soul Reaver)
• Death (Darksiders)
• Zegram Ghart (Rogue Galaxy)
• Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
• Diablo (Diablo)
• Ogremon (Digimon)
• Misako (River City Girls)

Zegram would easily make my top 10 but realistically, he has no business of being in Smash since he’s a side character in a PS2 JRPG that’s owned by Sony and hasn’t been seen since beyond ports of the game.

 

[Perkilator]

oh hey, Nintendo uploaded the trailer for Emio's epilogue. SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED OR BEATEN IT YET

Spoiler

Bro, Nintendo must be stalling at this point.

 

[Golden Icarus]

Has Smashboards made a specific plan on when they’ll open support threads? Would the Switch 2 reveal be enough of a reason, or do we want a formal announcement of the next Smash?

Or are they just waiting for enough people to compain about it? I understand if they wanna wait a bit longer, but the Switch 2 leaks + Sakurai working on “something” has me pretty antsy and ready to yap about all the dumb nonsense that isn’t worth derailing this entire thread for.

 

[cashregister9]

What's the one support thread you're gonna drift to when they eventually reopen for switch 2 smash?

I literally joined this site to create the Estelle thread

other than that, refer to my signature for anything else tbh.

 

[Noipoi]

Has Smashboards made a specific plan on when they’ll open support threads? Would the Switch 2 reveal be enough of a reason, or do we want a formal announcement of the next Smash?

Or are they just waiting for enough people to compain about it? I understand if they wanna wait a bit longer, but the Switch 2 leaks + Sakurai working on “something” has me pretty antsy and ready to yap about all the dumb nonsense that isn’t worth derailing this entire thread for.

I’m pretty sure they’re waiting for the official reveal of the next Smash game.

So the support threads likely won’t open for another year or two.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Has Smashboards made a specific plan on when they’ll open support threads? Would the Switch 2 reveal be enough of a reason, or do we want a formal announcement of the next Smash?

Probably once we know for sure a new Smash is on the way.