New York legalizes gay marriage.

[1048576]

^^^ lt, I love you, but that post is hypocritical

*insert random on topic platitude*

 

[Jonas]

When you claim something, cite your source because this sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.

He's actually right, hormones in food CAN disturb growth in children. It's especially bad if pregnant women eat food with hormones. This is also on of the reasons why I'd advise families with children to buy organic foods, even if it's a little expensive (another point is animal welfare).

This is not relevant to gay marriages, however, and is an entirely different issue altogether. Safehaven is confusing the right to equality with children's right to be treated like adults and mentally sick people's right to be treated like healthy people.

 

[Spelt]

Not sure why I even bothered.

Moving on, with this being a slowly trickling issue, will we see more states adopt it across the board? I think some states (Louisiana =\) will always have an opposition to it, but it'd be nice to see it legalized in every state.

I think the more states that catch on the easier it will be for other states to approve the (a similar) bill.
Like, if there's 47 states that have gay marriage legal I really doubt the other 3 states will be able to hold out for long.
Though, i'm probably underrating the stubbornness of the states.

 

[Crimson King]

Why though? If a state is following the people's vote, a large majority of people ARE against homosexual marriage. I personally believe that no one should have their rights up for a vote because if that were the case, slavery would still be allowed.

 

[Fried Ice Cream]

Wait, is marriage a right? I always thought it was a privelege :s.

 

[BSP]

I'm glad NY is really heading toward "all men are created equal"

 

[Luigitoilet]

^^^ lt, I love you, but that post is hypocritical

*insert random on topic platitude*

What? My moderating decisions were being challenged and I felt the need to explain and defend them. Where's the hypocrisy? I'm not the one posting "I have safehaven on ignore fyi". I'm telling people not to do stuff like that anymore because it is my job to keep people on topic. If that's what you mean, by that post being off topic, certain people would continue to misconstrue the thread guidelines if I didn't elaborate even further.

That's the last of it. If you have a problem PM me or take it to Forum Support.

 

[1048576]

You're infracting people left and right for posting about other people's posting habits while ignoring the thread at hand, then you go and do the same thing.

 

[Luigitoilet]

That's the last of it. If you have a problem PM me or take it to Forum Support.

That's the last of it. If you have a problem PM me or take it to Forum Support.

That's the last of it. If you have a problem PM me or take it to Forum Support.

That's the last of it. If you have a problem PM me or take it to Forum Support.

 

[CAOTIC]

i think you're doing a great job LT. besides from closing the love thread, it was entertaining, but we're none of us perfect.

assuming i'd ever get married, i'll be having it in new york & you're all invited!

 

[Mini Mic]

Wait, is marriage a right? I always thought it was a privelege :s.

Right: 'a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moralhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/you'

Privilege: 'a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most'

You decide.

 

[TigerWoods]

I'm in love with this. I've always wanted to move to NYC someday too...

I can probably get married in my own state now! (When I move to NY...)

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I think the more states that catch on the easier it will be for other states to approve the (a similar) bill.
Like, if there's 47 states that have gay marriage legal I really doubt the other 3 states will be able to hold out for long.
Though, i'm probably underrating the stubbornness of the states.

That would make sense, but this is America we're talking about =/

I'd be VERY surprised if some certain states allowed gay marriage in like the next 40 years or so. Or ever, who knows. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic.

 

[Circus]

That would make sense, but this is America we're talking about =/

I'd be VERY surprised if some certain states allowed gay marriage in like the next 40 years or so. Or ever, who knows. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic.

Honestly, as long as DOMA gets repealed relatively soon, it won't matter. As long as gay couples can get married somewhere in the country, and be recognized as married anywhere in the country (as they should be), that'll solve the issue in its most practical form.

Though it would be nice if certain states would just stop being regressive on every issue.

 

[Pikaville]

I'm in love with this. I've always wanted to move to NYC someday too...

I can probably get married in my own state now! (When I move to NY...)

:3

You always did talk about how you would love to move to NY.

 

[CAOTIC]

he's not the only one!

 

[TigerWoods]

You too Cao?

After uni and saving up some $$ I'm moving there... Idc about the high cost of living, the place makes me all :3 whenever I'm there.

On a similar note its been pretty heartwarming seeing the amount of straight friends I have that are actually fighting for marriage equality rights. Change is happening with the new generations :D

 

[CAOTIC]

yeah, i don't care about all the haters, or any of the folk who roll their eyes over those who dream to be in new york, for it being too cliche or some b/s. i've done my fair share of travel and i know that's where i want to be.

i told my ny friends that i want to do grad school there -- so at least i can be poor with everyone else & have the time of my life doing it.

so, in 2013, after i get back from pinoy land and after i've recuperated in australia for a year or two, i'll be in uni in nyc!

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Honestly, as long as DOMA gets repealed relatively soon, it won't matter. As long as gay couples can get married somewhere in the country, and be recognized as married anywhere in the country (as they should be), that'll solve the issue in its most practical form.

Though it would be nice if certain states would just stop being regressive on every issue.

Yeah, you're right.

But yeah, some states just kinda piss me off about stuff like this.

 

[TigerWoods]

yeah, i don't care about all the haters, or any of the folk who roll their eyes over those who dream to be in new york, for it being too cliche or some b/s. i've done my fair share of travel and i know that's where i want to be.

i told my ny friends that i want to do grad school there -- so at least i can be poor with everyone else & have the time of my life doing it.

so, in 2013, after i get back from pinoy land and after i've recuperated in australia for a year or two, i'll be in uni in nyc!

Oh Pinoy Land... Careful with the dengue fever... I caught it and it incubated until I came back to Philly. Not fun...

And yeah same. I've done my milling around the world but I've never felt the same way for any place but NYC... So worldy... you can do pretty much anything there and it ain't to far from other stuff.

It'll be 2016 when I move there for my gameplan :D

 

[Napos]

Rights for all.

 

[theeboredone]

So, someone inform me about why gay marriage is currently a state by state issue compared to a national one? What if the Supreme Court suddenly ruled in favor of gay marriage? Can the states oppose it?

 

[ConnorTheKid]

wtf New York is the 6th state to legalize gay marriage?

sigh time to move to the Big Apple

 

[TigerWoods]

So, someone inform me about why gay marriage is currently a state by state issue compared to a national one? What if the Supreme Court suddenly ruled in favor of gay marriage? Can the states oppose it?

The problem with the question is, I highly doubt that the Supreme Court wouldn't do that. There are enough justices on there that oppose such change... most prominently Scalia, who uses slippery slope arguments in his opinion to argue that approving gay marriage will lead to the approval of polygamy, incest, and child marriages.

Pretending that that did happen, states have a tendency to be pretty open about opposing what they view as threatening to themselves, though the national government has ways to shut them up with things like conditional grants. (Did you know the drinking age is a state reserved power? It's 21 everywhere only because the US government will cut off certain funds if they change it! )

I approve of this state by state basis for change. As long as gays can get married SOMEWHERE and get accepted across the nation, things will change... albeit a tad slowly. Also, it's a nice touch for state rights. I've never been one for allocating so much social power to the central government.

From a quick google search, I don't see anywhere that marriage laws are delegated to the national government anyway.

I've never understood the whole big deal behind this whole thing. If every "civil union" in the US turns into "married couple" I'm sure the apocalypse would happen... >_>

 

[Dooms]

Lol Tiger.

Even though I'm probably never going to get married, the fact that I know I probably can't in my state (Kentucky is a pretty bad state lol) kind of really sucks. Why should I have to go out of my way to get married to my partner when I should have the right to do it in my own state just like heterosexuals? ._.'

It is a step forward and I'm glad that they're making said step! Hopefully other states will step up and do the same. It looks like Kentucky won't be one of them though lol.

 

[TigerWoods]

Things change and people change though, Joey. I actually think part of the problem is that LBGT people themselves don't speak up... which is both understandable and unfortunate.

Most of my straight friends, including those who were extremely adverse to the idea of gay marriage supported me when I finally talked to them since they realized a close friend of theirs was.

I think some of the gay haters just don't realize that out of their brothers, sisters, leaders, coaches, captains, teachers, and in some cases, parents, the probability that at least a few are gay is really high.

Not all gays belong to the stereotype... most of us are respected citizens and incognito.

 

[Teran]

I don't see why marriage is such a big ****ing deal.

 

[TigerWoods]

In itself its not that big of a deal, however marriages = tax breaks, hereditary rights and other benefits.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I don't see why marriage is such a big ****ing deal.

It's more the fact that a segment of the adult population is cut off from benefits because of their sexual orientation. It's not that marriage is so awesome, it's that we are treating homosexuals like second-class citizens.

 

[DTP]

I don't see why marriage is such a big ****ing deal.

tbh, I kind of agree with this.

 

[1048576]

there's the hope that calling it marriage instead of civil union will spark a cultural shift whereby a layperson will stop treating two men or two women who love each other as something fundamentally different from the bond shared between a man and a woman.

 

[TigerWoods]

I would as well but the tax break is quite significant, not to mention visitation rights.

What if a husband suddenly falls into a coma?

@Numbers...

Semantics is all it is then in the end. I've always hated it... when debates on word meanings erupt in english halls or science conventions, no progress is achieved. Even when it's resolved, no true substance has changed besides that "Pluto is no longer a planet."

Seriously, who cares if a civil union turns into a marriage.

Pluto is still a rock floating past Neptune (for most of the time) in our Solar System, despite being an ex-planet.

 

[theeboredone]

Pluto will always be a planet in my heart...Forever alone.

And yeah, the benefits between a "civil union" and marriage could go a long way in saving you money among other things.

 

[1048576]

People see a different word and they contextualize it as a different thing. It's not that we're calling it marriage or union or bubblegum tate. What matters is that when gay people do it, we call it something different than when straight people do it.

Meta discussion on the semantics of semantics I guess, but I maintain that it's not the same as arguing about the definition of a word.

 

[Spelt]

but I maintain that it's not the same as arguing about the definition of a word.

But ... that's what semantics is.


also, I hate when people degrade an argument into it being "about semantics" because every argument could literally be construed as semantics.

 

[TigerWoods]

In a way yes, but I feel like this argument is worthy of degrading lol.

Theres a difference between arguing for the existence of a multiverse rather than a universe, and whether we should classify Pluto as a Planet or Non-Planet Body.

In this case, there is a lot of wasted time, effort, and money in an attempt to define marriage... that we could be putting to better use.

Some things are worth arguing over, and while I see the opposition's views on this case, I'm not sure if I can actually respect the opponents.

 

[Teran]

It's more the fact that a segment of the adult population is cut off from benefits because of their sexual orientation. It's not that marriage is so awesome, it's that we are treating homosexuals like second-class citizens.

Lol

They could do what the UK did and create a civil union and not call it marriage so all the religious people don't complain.

Of course, that would be too logical.

 

[1048576]

Why do you guys think we don't call it something else when black people or interracial couples get married? When people who don't own property get married? When someone marries someone else in prison? It's because people don't see that union as something different from their own union, so they don't mind using the same word for it. With gay people, our country does see it as a different thing, and the whole point of the lbgt movement is to make society more accepting, so that's why some gays and lesbians are pushing for marriage.

 

[Pluvia]

Lol

They could do what the UK did and create a civil union and not call it marriage so all the religious people don't complain.

Of course, that would be too logical.

No we're getting marriages too. The only difference is no one here makes a fuss about it like America.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12442375

 

[Teran]

Keyword is getting, and knowing British Parliamentary practices it will take ****ing forever only to be blocked by the Queen or something.

Well it won't be blocked but you know what I'm saying.