Pluvia
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I dunno it has to arrive somewhere within this next 4 years seeing as though it's the Tories putting it through, plus anytime they need good rep would be a great time to do it.
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New York legalizes gay marriage.
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TigerWoods
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Teran, many US states do have civil unions, including ones that will not tolerate same sex marriage.
The only issue is, civil unions do not have the full rights of married couples either so they are still being treated as second class citizens.
Pluvia
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It's a bit different over here as civil unions have the exact same rights.
For convenience.It's a bit different over here as civil unions have the exact same rights.
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What Tiger is trying to say is that it's not like that in the United States, and he's correct. The only reason why this is even a big deal in the United States is because the government uses "marriage" as a legal term. What they could do is call every joined couple a civil union and suddenly, the problem goes away.
And what I'm trying to say is that his point is irrelevant because the kind of civil union I was talking means all the rights of a marriage just not one in official name.
I suggested they emulate us, I never asked the details of whatever ******** system you poor mopes have.
I suggested they emulate us, I never asked the details of whatever ******** system you poor mopes have.
Pluvia
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And better laws.
StealthyGunnar
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the fact is, our constitution gives every man (women included, obv...) the right to the pursuit of happiness and equality. we would be going against the constitution if we wouldnt be allowing gay marriage...
It's the state vs. federal issue. Federal uses the term "marriage" in legal documents, while states follow suit but can also create their own "civil unions" as a separate class. But Federal won't recognize a "civil union" from any state, only what is called "marriage."
To undo this, people would need to dismantle the government backed institute of "marriage" at the Federal level (though it could remain at the state level) and replace it with "civil unions."
Getting Americans to abandon one term and take up another is going to be more complicated than getting them to accept same-sex marriage. The opposition already claims that the LGBTI rights movement wants to "destroy marriage." If any move is made to re-name marriage, then there are politicians ready to jump on that and earn some points with the anti-LGBTI contingency.
tl;dr - Making all unions civil unions is the logical solution, but it won't happen because the two main political parties are using this issue for their own careers.
I just find it so hilarious considering America has like the most queers in the world imo.
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I don't see what you could possibly be basing this on.
And I don't see how it can be an opinion.
TigerWoods
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I'll be in NYC tomorrow <33
Get married!
TigerWoods
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Hahaha. I tricked my friends into thinking I got married a random cute guy named Emilio while I was there. Priceless faces...
Hopefully other states can follow suit and marriage equality can be instituted just like prohibition was repealed
Hopefully other states can follow suit and marriage equality can be instituted just like prohibition was repealed
While I'm 100% for Gay Marriage, marriage is a religious right hence the separation of church and state.
Pluvia
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Actually marriage has been around far longer than the church.
Le vieux lapin
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Yay gay rights.
My grandad is turning in his grave. Lol.
Gays ftw.
My grandad is turning in his grave. Lol.
Gays ftw.
Vinylic.
Woke?
It's no surprise. I still don't know what's going on with the "Don't ask, Don't tell" thing.
BlueXenon
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I'm very happy about this. People should be allowed to marry who ever they want to. It doesn't effect me in any way if two men get married.
"Gay for pay." Don't trust what you see in pornos.
The point is the massive output caters to demand.
Also gay for pay? Really? Not trying to be graphic, but I'd have to work sensationally hard to get then sustain an erection with a woman, I don't see how a straight guy can just sort of nonchalantly get it up and engage in whatever acts he has to.
Also, since this thread was about gay marriage, I'm probably the only gay guy who's pretty much against the whole gay marriage thing.
First of all, legal marriage is nothing but a business contract, and it signs off half my money and assets to someone, that's literally its only purpose.
If I love someone, I will be with them regardless of a legal document, and this legal document doesn't mean ****. Honestly, all this document does is make it so that the girl headed gays are going to be pressuring me towards marriage, whereas without it I wouldn't have to worry.
Marriage has lost every decent aspect about it, and I don't want to have to enter into a business contract to spend my life with someone I love, but of course now that marriage is legal in most of Europe and some of America, basically gay guys who might not like the idea of a diminished sex and social life are going to be forced into this thing.
So yeah, idgaf, I don't want gay marriage.
_Keno_
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Never really thought about it like that. Hmm...
And do you know where your avatar is from or did you just find it and like it?
xD
So you're against the general population having gay marriage because you're personally opposed to it?
deepseadiva
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I don't want marriage.
Essentially.
Essentially.
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Honestly I have to agree with Teran somewhat. I'm going to be together with whoever I want regardless of what the law says. idc whether gay marriage is legal or not, marriage is just a word in this day and age.
Given I live in Ontario where (I'm pretty sure) it's legal.
Given I live in Ontario where (I'm pretty sure) it's legal.
It's not just a word. Being married puts you into a different tax bracket.
I'm married, and I can say first hand that in America, there's a whole slew of benefits granted to us that my wife and I didn't previously enjoy. Not just obvious and direct ones like tax breaks.
My wife works as a dental assistant, so it's a small office. All her co-workers have medical insurance from their individual spouses, so her boss never got them a combined work insurance policy. Prior to our wedding, she had to purchase an individual insurance policy, which was astronomical in price. We're saving hundreds of dollars per month on that basis alone, from her being able to use my insurance policy from my work.
Then there's the matter of common property. We both co-own everything of ours. So when my laptop was stolen out of her car a year back, the car insurance policy was able to cover it. Had the theft occurred before our wedding, I would have just been at a loss for the whole thing.
Being married affects your ability to obtain and maintain a security clearance. In my line of work, this is very important.
There are lots of things which are being denied to homosexual couples on the basis of religious bigotry. Not just a social construct.
My wife works as a dental assistant, so it's a small office. All her co-workers have medical insurance from their individual spouses, so her boss never got them a combined work insurance policy. Prior to our wedding, she had to purchase an individual insurance policy, which was astronomical in price. We're saving hundreds of dollars per month on that basis alone, from her being able to use my insurance policy from my work.
Then there's the matter of common property. We both co-own everything of ours. So when my laptop was stolen out of her car a year back, the car insurance policy was able to cover it. Had the theft occurred before our wedding, I would have just been at a loss for the whole thing.
Being married affects your ability to obtain and maintain a security clearance. In my line of work, this is very important.
There are lots of things which are being denied to homosexual couples on the basis of religious bigotry. Not just a social construct.
Well isn't that like the only reason people support and oppose stuff?
I'm selfish but at least I admit it.
frotaz37
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It's all about drugs, both illegal and legal, in the porn industry. Money and drugs > awkward sexual escapades.
Seems selfish to oppose equal rights for all people simply because it doesn't effect your life. A person being prevented from perusing their own personal happiness because of something as irrelevant as their sexual preference is definitely not the kind of archaic discrimination that should be supported by anyone.
It's even worse if you are opposing equal rights because you think that people exercising these rights will somehow have some huge negative effect on your life. That the EXACT argument used by ignorant evangelical Christians who think gay marriage will be the downfall of society. Come on, your life will be exactly the same regardless of who gets married. All you're really doing is opposing the happiness of others.
Really Teran, it's looking more and more like the reason you oppose gay marriage is because you've got a huge ego problem. I mean come on...you oppose equality because if it's allowed, everyone is gonna be constantly asking you to marry them?
Yeah, right. That's seriously the dumbest thing I have EVER heard a person say. Get over yourself.
Oh yeah, well since you're honest about it, that makes it totally better. I hear this line from women all the time.
It's a completely worthless thing to say. Stop trying to justify your ****ty point of views with statements that are completely lacking in substance and worth.
Agreed, see above
You know my disagreement with gay marriage isn't necessarily because it's gay marriage, I just don't like marriage as it is, period.
Really? I dunno, aren't most laws enforced because of this fact? Besides, seeing as how through my eyes the world revolves around me (because I'm not even convinced that everyone else even exists), I like to think that if something's going to affect me, I would like to have an influence in it. The only people who believe in true freedom are anarchists, because as much as people like to think everyone should have rights and freedom, everyone has a line to draw. I just draw mine in selfish places, but then so do most people.
I don't think it'd be the downfall of society, I didn't say that, but good job putting words in my mouth. All I said was I don't want it because it would be a potential thorn in my side when it came to my love life.
Yup
First of all, equality doesn't exist, nature's entire construct shows that. BUT, speaking on a humanitarian level, I don't oppose equality, I'm just not the type to think some piece of paper that the government signs off on is the measuring factor. Sure it's nice for everyone to have an equal footing in society, but ultimately it's about societal attitude imo.
No it isn't, and no I won't.
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As much as the religious folks like to deny it, marriage is a political system. If it wasn't it would've died out 30+ years ago. Most people end up doing it only because they feel pressured, yeah, but it doesn't mean you have to give into the pressure. It's a stigma on society that won't change unless people do something about it.
As a straight person, I can't imagine this either..But I guess viagra and greed of unimaginable proportions could lead a guy to be able to pull this off..
