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New York legalizes gay marriage.

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Holy ****, Teran.

Anytime a person brings up rights and equality you go right back to the whole "rights don't exist and equality isn't real" rhetoric. Why are you bringing this up in a thread about gay marriage legalization, WHICH IS AN ISSUE OF RIGHTS AND EQUALITY? All this comes off as is you getting defensive and lashing out because you can't come up with a real point. I mean come on, "I might be the only one who exists"? Give me a ****ing break.

Whether or not you support the idea of marriage as a whole, the fact is, it's happening and it will probably continue to happen for a long time. If you're using your dislike for the concept of marriage as a reason to oppose gay marriage, all you're doing is supporting the inequality that is currently instituted.

And yeah dude, a person who supports the oppression of a group that they themselves are a part of because of some miniscule selfish reason that completely lacks all empathy and compassion, is, well, a joke, and should be treated as such.

But it's okay, cause that's not the real reason you oppose gay marriage.
Maybe you should just be honest and tell everyone the truth.

Oh but your ego would never allow that, would it? :reverse:
 

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Holy ****, Teran.

Anytime a person brings up rights and equality you go right back to the whole "rights don't exist and equality isn't real" rhetoric. Why are you bringing this up in a thread about gay marriage legalization, WHICH IS AN ISSUE OF RIGHTS AND EQUALITY? All this comes off as is you getting defensive and lashing out because you can't come up with a real point. I mean come on, "I might be the only one who exists"? Give me a ****ing break.
Wow your post is peppered with more rage than a divorcée on her period. And I bring that up because ultimately that is the point that everyone should realise, that the majority voice of society is what decides stuff, and as much as it may suck, the majority is the most important thing in a democracy, right?

Marriage is nothing but a stupid business contract and I hate the entire concept of it. All it does is strip away everything that makes love so great. It turns a life partnership into fiscal tug of war, so no, it's not that I see withholding gay marriage as oppression, I see it as the most wonderfully liberating thing ever.


Whether or not you support the idea of marriage as a whole, the fact is, it's happening and it will probably continue to happen for a long time. If you're using your dislike for the concept of marriage as a reason to oppose gay marriage, all you're doing is supporting the inequality that is currently instituted.
Yeah well life is all about compromise, and I can live with the inequality, it's not like that ****'s going to change in my lifetime anyway.

And yeah dude, a person who supports the oppression of a group that they themselves are a part of because of some miniscule selfish reason that completely lacks all empathy and compassion, is, well, a joke, and should be treated as such.
It doesn't mean I lack empathy, it means I lack sympathy. My empathy levels are through the roof, I can appreciate pretty much any point of view, and argue it, which I doubt you're capable of. Empathy is nothing but being able to put yourself in someone's shoes, which I can do, and honestly I can obviously understand that the withholding of gay marriage makes lots of people upset, but when it comes down to just me, I really don't care what they think.

But it's okay, cause that's not the real reason you oppose gay marriage.
Maybe you should just be honest and tell everyone the truth.
I oppose marriage, not life partnership, so uh, I don't see what truth there is to tell.

Oh but your ego would never allow that, would it? :reverse:
I'm the one with the ego, of course.

You're the one who's done nothing but insult me this whole time since you disagree because you don't have the class to actually disagree without using jabs and attacks at my person to somehow strengthen your arguments.

If I had such an ego, I'm pretty sure I'd be extremely defensive at the insulting nature of your posts rather than trying to talk about the points you make, but then I dunno, maybe this is some sort of egotistical ploy too.
 

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Marriage is nothing but a stupid business contract and I hate the entire concept of it. All it does is strip away everything that makes love so great. It turns a life partnership into fiscal tug of war, so no, it's not that I see withholding gay marriage as oppression, I see it as the most wonderfully liberating thing ever.
Until your significant other is lying in the hospital and you're not allowed to see him.

No but seriously, you can't be serious..

Do you honestly need explaining why not allowing gay couples the same opportunities as straight couples is a bad thing? (Even if you think it's the right to royally screw up your own life in your opinion)
 

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I like the idea of equal footing, I just don't like the idea of marriage.

So basically instead of giving marriage to gays, why not take that **** away for everyone? I mean yes it has lots of tax benefits, but it can also come back to bite you in the ***.

Also, in the UK you can visit someone's bedside as a friend, I know this because lots of friends visited my mother when she was in hospital, and people visited me when I was a sick kid.

So I dunno, maybe some hospitals need to fix up their visitation rules.

And yes this is all just what I want, which is ultimately what everyone argues for, so I don't care if it sounds horrible, I've said much worse anyway.
 

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I like the idea of equal footing, I just don't like the idea of marriage.

So basically instead of giving marriage to gays, why not take that **** away? I mean yes it has lots of tax benefits, but it can also come back to bite you in the ***.

Also, in the UK you can visit someone's bedside as a friend, I know this because lots of friends visited my mother when she was in hospital, and people visited me when I was a sick kid.

So I dunno, maybe some hospitals need to fix up their visitation rules.

Then oppose marriage rather than just gay marriage.

Either way, you have to realize that so long as marriage is legal, it should be legal for everyone, not just a select group of people. Whether you want you actually want to marry or not is irrelevant.
 

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Well like I said, I totally oppose marriage in its current legal form so...
 

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Honestly, still doesn't make sense.

If you oppose marriage, don't get married. Why would you want to take the right to marry away from others? That's ****ing ********..
 

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Honestly, still doesn't make sense.

If you oppose marriage, don't get married. Why would you want to take the right to marry away from others? That's ****ing ********..
The law of marriage can be taken away and people can just write up their own contracts for nuptials. The only thing they'd lose is the tax benefits, which I do admit is a total bummer.

Also, why would I take stuff away from others? Well I couldn't, but if I could sure why not, because it'd be what I want, and if I were honestly in the position to make that kind of decision, it would mean I was the leader, and the leader is the one entrusted to use their judgment to rule, and I would make the law as I see fit.

And I see fit not to make marriage a civil contract but just something people will adhere to in spirit because they love each other.
 

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I don't what the hell this arguement is about. I'm seeing agreements and rejects.

And I didn't know you were gay terry. :p
I'm not gay though.
 

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There are still people on this site who don't know I'm gay?
 

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The law of marriage can be taken away and people can just write up their own contracts for nuptials. The only thing they'd lose is the tax benefits, which I do admit is a total bummer.
And the point of this is?

It'd be the exact same thing as marriage except you'd call it differently and you wouldn't have any benefits..

Also, why would I take stuff away from others? Well I couldn't, but if I could sure why not, because it'd be what I want, and if I were honestly in the position to make that kind of decision, it would mean I was the leader, and the leader is the one entrusted to use their judgment to rule, and I would make the law as I see fit.
That doesn't answer the question, so I'll ask again.

What's the point in taking away the rights of others to do something you personally don't like, when it does not affect you in any way shape or form?

And I see fit not to make marriage a civil contract but just something people will adhere to in spirit because they love each other.
So God forbid families/couples who love each other and live together receive benefits to make their life easier?

You're making less and less sense with every post..
 

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Wow your post is peppered with more rage than a divorcée on her period. And I bring that up because ultimately that is the point that everyone should realise, that the majority voice of society is what decides stuff, and as much as it may suck, the majority is the most important thing in a democracy, right


Again, nothing you have said here is a response TO ANYTHING I SAID. You completely ignore what I say and then go off on random tangents about some blatantly obvious fact like "Majority rules in democracy". You did the exact same thing I described in my post that you quoted...........................................................

Are you for real?

This is what it's like trying to talk to you:


Marriage is nothing but a stupid business contract and I hate the entire concept of it. All it does is strip away everything that makes love so great. It turns a life partnership into fiscal tug of war, so no, it's not that I see withholding gay marriage as oppression, I see it as the most wonderfully liberating thing ever.
Well, seeing as how love is nothing but a combination of serotonin, dopamine, and other neurotransmitters being released into your synapses, there isn't anything great to ruin at all. The only people who believe in true love are little girls, because as much as people want to believe that there is something special and meaningful about what's happening to them, everyone is just a biological machine.

:rolleyes:

Yeah well life is all about compromise, and I can live with the inequality, it's not like that ****'s going to change in my lifetime anyway.
You're sure playing your part. This ****ty nonchalant attitude is exactly why it's not going to change in your lifetime. Way to go.

It doesn't mean I lack empathy, it means I lack sympathy. My empathy levels are through the roof, I can appreciate pretty much any point of view, and argue it, which I doubt you're capable of. Empathy is nothing but being able to put yourself in someone's shoes, which I can do, and honestly I can obviously understand that the withholding of gay marriage makes lots of people upset, but when it comes down to just me, I really don't care what they think.
Yeah dude, you don't care that they are upset because you lack the ability to put yourself in their shoes....In other words, you lack empathy. Simple. Again I don't know why you posted this paragraph except to make it look like you have something to say.

I'm the one with the ego, of course.
You're the one who's done nothing but insult me this whole time since you disagree because you don't have the class to actually disagree without using jabs and attacks at my person to somehow strengthen your arguments.
It's not my fault you say such stupid things all the time.

Like I said, straight people getting married is going to continue to happen, so opposing gay marriage because you don't believe in marriage at all is still opposing gay marriage, and supporting oppression. You can try and twist around to make it seem like some campaign against marriage as a whole but you have to realize how out of context such an argument is.

If you don't support gay marriage, you support the idea that it's okay to discriminate against gay people. That's the issue that gay marriage brings up, and whether or not you support marriage as a whole has absolutely no relevancy to that issue.

Stop. Pretending. It does.
 

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Again, nothing you have said here is a response TO ANYTHING I SAID. You completely ignore what I say and then go off on random tangents about some blatantly obvious fact like "Majority rules in democracy". You did the exact same thing I described in my post that you quoted...........................................................

Are you for real?

This is what it's like trying to talk to you:
Actually it has everything to do with what you're saying, but you're just being too obtuse to realise it.

Well, seeing as how love is nothing but a combination of serotonin, dopamine, and other neurotransmitters being released into your synapses, there isn't anything great to ruin at all. The only people who believe in true love are little girls, because as much as people want to believe that there is something special and meaningful about what's happening to them, everyone is just a biological machine.
*Applause*




You're sure playing your part. This ****ty nonchalant attitude is exactly why it's not going to change in your lifetime. Way to go.
The only way I'd ever play my part would be with lots of weaponry, which currently I don't have so yeah, way to go, because one thing is for sure, words don't mean ****.

Yeah dude, you don't care that they are upset because you lack the ability to put yourself in their shoes...In other words, you lack empathy. Simple. Again I don't know why you posted this paragraph except to make it look like you have something to say.
Now you're just being silly. Did you know that one of the defining traits of a psychopath is having remarkable empathy? It's how they mimic emotional mannerisms and emotionally motivated actions very convincingly. Before you start putting words in my mouth, no I am not a psychopath, but I'm just letting you know that you're incorrect assumptions about empathy completely nullify what you just said. I can put myself in anyone's shoes, and I'm honestly totally fine with people believing whatever they want to believe. I have my trains of thoughts and ideals, and the only reason I ever argue them is

a) because hearing different things is good for people, variety is the spice of life
b) because there might be the minute possibility that someone actually changes their mind to follow what I think, and of course I'd be happy if more people in the world thought like me, and that's true of everyone.




It's not my fault you say such stupid things all the time.
It is your fault for being so rude. Honestly, I don't even know why I'm being so well mannered right now considering how unbelievably classless you're being, but then that's probably because you're on the lower rungs of society.

Like I said, straight people getting married is going to continue to happen, so opposing gay marriage because you don't believe in marriage at all is still opposing gay marriage, and supporting oppression. You can try and twist around to make it seem like some campaign against marriage as a whole but you have to realize how out of context such an argument is.
Yes I know that it indirectly supports oppression of homosexuals, and I'm really not bothered.

If you don't support gay marriage, you support the idea that it's okay to discriminate against gay people. That's the issue that gay marriage brings up, and whether or not you support marriage as a whole has absolutely no relevancy to that issue.

Stop. Pretending. It does.
Oh look I jumped the gun.

And also, it is totally relevant, by saying there's no relevance means that marriage between two people of the same gender should be categorised as something entirely different, and such differentiation is the definition of discrimination.

You know what you are? You are a morally upright libdouche with his eyes sewn shut who blindly follows the voice of apparent free thought and liberty, and instead of being open to all channels and trying to perhaps, I dunno, be civil when trying to disagree, you decide to be insulting and enforce your ****ing opinion on something as a law of science.

You know the only thing I resent about being gay is that I have people like you advocating my place in society as equal.

Oh and btw, it's all cool for me in England anyway but you know, I'd rather marriage weren't around at all.
 

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Well England is part of the UK. I just like spelling out England because each subdivision of the UK has such different people that I think it's unfair to lump them all into one category.

It's just like how people often lump the UK with the rest of Europe, when we're all so very different.

It's just a habit.
 

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Now you're just being silly. Did you know that one of the defining traits of a psychopath is having remarkable empathy? It's how they mimic emotional mannerisms and emotionally motivated actions very convincingly. Before you start putting words in my mouth, no I am not a psychopath, but I'm just letting you know that you're incorrect assumptions about empathy completely nullify what you just said. I can put myself in anyone's shoes, and I'm honestly totally fine with people believing whatever they want to believe. I have my trains of thoughts and ideals, and the only reason I ever argue them is

a) because hearing different things is good for people, variety is the spice of life
b) because there might be the minute possibility that someone actually changes their mind to follow what I think, and of course I'd be happy if more people in the world thought like me, and that's true of everyone.
Another huge block of text that has nothing to do with anything I said.
It's impossible to respond to something like this because you're derailing the conversation so much. What the hell are you even saying? Empathy isn't always good because psychopaths have a lot of it?
It's like you have a point, but instead of making it you conjure up some nonsense comparison that has no bearing on what I'm trying to say. The closest thing to an argument in what you just typed is "now you're just being silly", and that's pretty sad.

Your words are pretty much unintelligible, and it sucks that this is your only way of arguing because it gets old fast (inb4 STOP POSTING THEN).

It is your fault for being so rude. Honestly, I don't even know why I'm being so well mannered right now considering how unbelievably classless you're being, but then that's probably because you're on the lower rungs of society.
Are you suggesting that I live in the ghetto or something? My god you're dull.
It's funny because you can't accept that the reason I'm reacting the way I am is because you're ideas are completely ridiculous and hypocritical, rather, it must be because I'm...poor? LOL.

Yes I know that it indirectly supports oppression of homosexuals, and I'm really not bothered.
Exactly. You can't post an opinion like this and then get mad when people respond negatively to it. You don't care that people are oppressed as long as you get what you want? Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but this type of viewpoint neither spices up life, nor is it the type of viewpoint that others should be convinced of. You're kidding yourself if you don't see how many terrible things have happened simply because so many idiots think like this.

Oh look I jumped the gun.

And also, it is totally relevant, by saying there's no relevance means that marriage between two people of the same gender should be categorized as something entirely different, and such differentiation is the definition of discrimination.
Nice try, but really? This is not what either of us were talking about, don't jump to this at the last second as if it was what you were talking about all along. In no way does saying there is no relevance mean that. Of course it shouldn't be classified as something different, nobody is saying it should.

You know what you are? You are a morally upright libdouche with his eyes sewn shut who blindly follows the voice of apparent free thought and liberty, and instead of being open to all channels and trying to perhaps, I dunno, be civil when trying to disagree, you decide to be insulting and enforce your ****ing opinion on something as a law of science.
I've been called worse. Unfortunately for you, what you think I am has no bearing on the fact that your views and opinions in regards to this issue are backwards, childish, and ********.

You know the only thing I resent about being gay is that I have people like you advocating my place in society as equal.
There's that gigantic ego again. Always about you isn't it?

First of all, how do you know I'm not gay? In case you haven't noticed, I don't parade my personal preferences around for attention like you do.
Second of all, you're demonizing me because I think gay people should be able to get married?
You're demonizing me because I don't think a person should be discriminated against because of something as trivial as their sexual preference? The ****?

Like I already said, this goes way beyond whether or not gay people, or any people, are allowed to get married. In fact, you might even be able to say that the essence of this issue has nothing to do with gay people at all, even though gay people are at the core of the issue. The problem is that people are oppressed and things need to change. Whether or not somebody is allowed to have the same freedoms as others is not something that should be "allowed" (as in handed to oppressed people by those in power in a "fine, here you go, but only cause we allow it" manner), and it's not something that should be voted on. This issue raises a huge moral question about the legitimacy of our political system and its capacity to handle this type of thing without violating individual rights.

Just because you aint even bovvered doesn't mean that it's not a huge issue that should be on the minds of intelligent, thinking people everywhere. That includes straight people. In fact, I find your "oh, whatever" attitude to be insulting, not only to me and to people I care for dearly, but to yourself. It's a perfect example of infantile behavior and it's pathetic to see you try and paint your viewpoint as something that should be taken seriously.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

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Frota, relax. I'm not sure why you are indulging Teran to this level to begin with, but you seem extremely emotionally invested in his perspective. This isn't the Teran thread, and he, nor anyone else, particularly cares that his belief system disgusts you. Let's keep it civil and less about attacking each other.
 

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Not when you are constantly mudflinging about his "ego", lines like "you should be ashamed of yourself", the explicit mocking/parody of his posting style etc. that's all very melodramatic stuff, and very unnecessary because it distracts from the actual topic and makes for an overall tense and unenjoyable, and therefore unstimulating thread.

I'm not saying to not be passionate about this topic, but let's not be so "personal" and touchy.

You wouldn't see presidential nominee debates with anything akin to your attitude.

And besides all of that, it's Teran.
 

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The point is the massive output caters to demand.
Well, you wouldn't know if it were one gay guy downloading 1,000 movies or 1,000 guys downloading one each.

Also gay for pay? Really? Not trying to be graphic, but I'd have to work sensationally hard to get then sustain an erection with a woman, I don't see how a straight guy can just sort of nonchalantly get it up and engage in whatever acts he has to.
This is a kid's site, so I'm not going to tell you what a "fluffer" is. But you can probably figure it out easily enough.

Also, since this thread was about gay marriage, I'm probably the only gay guy who's pretty much against the whole gay marriage thing.
Well, the reason why governments recognize legal marriage and grant benefits is due in part to strictly legal complications. Who gets the house after one partner passes away, etc. And rather than forcing everyone to draw up their own contract from scratch, it is easier from a bureaucratic standpoint to have one basic contract that can be amended and customized. Furthermore, when writing legislation that deals with rights of succession and inheritance and anything else that would mention a person's legally recognized partner or next of kin (such as the default person to make medical decisions on behalf of the subject), the language of the policy becomes simplified when there is a commonly accepted definition of "spouse." And it helps, in that case, to also have legal documentation in support of that definition. If two people both claim to be the spouse of a deceased person, or a comatose patient unable to make his/her own decisions, then we run into problems.

Taxes should be self-explanatory.

So, I think you're right. Marriage is a business contract, but almost all human societies are just networks of contracts anyway. So, as a contract, marriage is a matter that is important to society.

You wouldn't see presidential nominee debates with anything akin to your attitude.
No, but they would be more fun that way.
 

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Another huge block of text that has nothing to do with anything I said.
It's impossible to respond to something like this because you're derailing the conversation so much. What the hell are you even saying? Empathy isn't always good because psychopaths have a lot of it?
It's like you have a point, but instead of making it you conjure up some nonsense comparison that has no bearing on what I'm trying to say. The closest thing to an argument in what you just typed is "now you're just being silly", and that's pretty sad.
Not the point is just because my sentiments aren't very nice doesn't mean I have no empathy, which is what you say because you dream of penis all day.

Your words are pretty much unintelligible, and it sucks that this is your only way of arguing because it gets old fast (inb4 STOP POSTING THEN).
Looks like you should have attended more English classes, or maybe paid for a better education.


Are you suggesting that I live in the ghetto or something? My god you're dull.
It's funny because you can't accept that the reason I'm reacting the way I am is because you're ideas are completely ridiculous and hypocritical, rather, it must be because I'm...poor? LOL.
Nope, there are plenty of wealthy idiots out there.


Exactly. You can't post an opinion like this and then get mad when people respond negatively to it. You don't care that people are oppressed as long as you get what you want? Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble but this type of viewpoint neither spices up life, nor is it the type of viewpoint that others should be convinced of. You're kidding yourself if you don't see how many terrible things have happened simply because so many idiots think like this.
Most people think like this.


Nice try, but really? This is not what either of us were talking about, don't jump to this at the last second as if it was what you were talking about all along. In no way does saying there is no relevance mean that. Of course it shouldn't be classified as something different, nobody is saying it should.
We weren't but the subtext is there and pointing it out is funny because you're being such an inflammatory wastebucket.


I
've been called worse. Unfortunately for you, what you think I am has no bearing on the fact that your views and opinions in regards to this issue are backwards, childish, and ********.
No they aren't, but again nice way to be rude, that's pretty much the only way you can make a point because you really are some worthless rag with no manners, you either had a parent missing or neither of them slapped you around enough for having such an attitude. You are the most self righteous piece of garbage I have ever come across, I would literally rather debate with Fred Phelps than you, because he'd probably be using sort of basis to his ideas and not just relying on belligerence like a ****ing 9 year old. You know even as a 9 year old, I used more than just comments about the person (and their mother), but I guess now that I've just woken up and haven't had a cigarette, it's time.

There's that gigantic ego again. Always about you isn't it?
Look in the ****ing mirror.

First of all, how do you know I'm not gay? In case you haven't noticed, I don't parade my personal preferences around for attention like you do.
Classy.

Second of all, you're demonizing me because I think gay people should be able to get married?
No because you're aggressively and belligerently self righteous and those kind of people should be lined up and shot. I would gladly do this.

You're demonizing me because I don't think a person should be discriminated against because of something as trivial as their sexual preference? The ****?
See above

Like I already said, this goes way beyond whether or not gay people, or any people, are allowed to get married. In fact, you might even be able to say that the essence of this issue has nothing to do with gay people at all, even though gay people are at the core of the issue. The problem is that people are oppressed and things need to change. Whether or not somebody is allowed to have the same freedoms as others is not something that should be "allowed" (as in handed to oppressed people by those in power in a "fine, here you go, but only cause we allow it" manner), and it's not something that should be voted on. This issue raises a huge moral question about the legitimacy of our political system and its capacity to handle this type of thing without violating individual rights.
Yes but it is because not everyone is born equal and natural hierarchy works in a way that the group of people, or singular person in power make the decisions. It is the natural order, and morality and justice's existence can't be justified without God or some other spiritual order, so basically a secular society doesn't run and morals, but with America that's irrelevant because most of the population goes to Church and shoot homosexuals on weekends for sport. That's the way it is with your country, but it can change in ways like, I dunno, more gays trying to get into politics. Whatever.

Just because you aint even bovvered doesn't mean that it's not a huge issue that should be on the minds of intelligent, thinking people everywhere. That includes straight people. In fact, I find your "oh, whatever" attitude to be insulting, not only to me and to people I care for dearly, but to yourself. It's a perfect example of infantile behavior and it's pathetic to see you try and paint your viewpoint as something that should be taken seriously.
Don't speak like that honey. Also, it isn't on the minds of intelligent, thinking people everywhere, because the intelligent thinking people everywhere have better things to think about. Every viewpoint should be taken seriously, not taking other viewpoints seriously because you're so hung up on ideological masturbation is exactly why the world is so terrible at communicating, so terrible at getting things done, and always getting into wars.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
I so am!

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And besides all of that, it's Teran.
Shhh!
 

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I dunno why anyone is arguing with Teran.
a) It's clearly his opinion and you can't prove someone's opinion right or wrong.
b) . . . It's Teran.

Personally (this is a key word here) I kind of agree with Teran, but for completely different reasons. Lack of marriage rights also means there is less social pressure to get married. Which is a bigger blessing than most people would think.

I'd rant about how diseased I think marriage is and how stupid people are when it comes to relationships but that wouldn't get anywhere. That's what AIM is for.
 

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Not the point is just because my sentiments aren't very nice doesn't mean I have no empathy, which is what you say because you dream of penis all day.
:awesome:

Looks like you should have attended more English classes, or maybe paid for a better education.
Oh nice, never heard THAT one before. It's funny cause most people manage to be only one walking cliche, yet you manage to pull off two.

Most people think like this.
HEY GUYS IM TERAN I SAY STUFF AND THAT MEANS ITS TRUE ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M TELLING YOU HOW OTHER PEOPLE THINK. Do you understand that you can't possibly know this and statements like this have no bearing on any of your points, or anything at all for that matter? I shouldn't have to explain this because it's something a 9 year old could understand.

We weren't but the subtext is there and pointing it out is funny because you're being such an inflammatory wastebucket.
Maybe if you would learn how to have a basic discussion about something without making stupid and completely irrelevant points, I wouldn't feel compelled to let you know how unbelievably bad you are posting. I do enjoy your pathetic excuses for being so bad at arguing though.

No they aren't, but again nice way to be rude, that's pretty much the only way you can make a point because you really are some worthless rag with no manners, you either had a parent missing or neither of them slapped you around enough for having such an attitude. You are the most self righteous piece of garbage I have ever come across, I would literally rather debate with Fred Phelps than you, because he'd probably be using sort of basis to his ideas and not just relying on belligerence like a ****ing 9 year old. You know even as a 9 year old, I used more than just comments about the person (and their mother), but I guess now that I've just woken up and haven't had a cigarette, it's time.
Aha right...I'm "being rude"... and I suppose with this paragraph, you're what, just "being honest" right?

No because you're aggressively and belligerently self righteous and those kind of people should be lined up and shot. I would gladly do this.
Wait, now I deserve to be killed? lol wow, somebody is mad.

Yes but it is because not everyone is born equal and natural hierarchy works in a way that the group of people, or singular person in power make the decisions. It is the natural order, and morality and justice's existence can't be justified without God or some other spiritual order, so basically a secular society doesn't run and morals, but with America that's irrelevant because most of the population goes to Church and shoot homosexuals on weekends for sport. That's the way it is with your country, but it can change in ways like, I dunno, more gays trying to get into politics. Whatever.
Again, everything you're saying is 100% irrelevant to my point, completely obvious, and not even worth saying. Didn't I already explain to you that points like "not everyone is born equal" has nothing to do with what I'm saying? You seem completely obsessed with bringing up THE NATURAL ORDER!!! as if human nature is some sort of justification for ****ty behavior. Well guess what? It's not, so stop clinging so desperately to this one terrible point.
I swear, it's like you read what I say and then just start typing random **** you think is a counterpoint without even thinking about what I type. You are the worst poster on smashboards.

Don't speak like that honey. Also, it isn't on the minds of intelligent, thinking people everywhere, because the intelligent thinking people everywhere have better things to think about. Every viewpoint should be taken seriously, not taking other viewpoints seriously because you're so hung up on ideological masturbation is exactly why the world is so terrible at communicating, so terrible at getting things done, and always getting into wars.
LOL as if you are qualified to speak for intelligent people everywhere. You always say stupid **** like this as if you have some sort of insight into the mind of all the people on earth. Hello, ego? It's approaching hilarity at this point because you can't seem to stop and think about how dumb the things you're saying are before you post them.


You know, the only thing I resent about being white is that I have people like you giving us a bad name by flaunting your ignorant, backwards sense of morality while throwing out irrelevant elitist terms like "uneducated" and "lower rungs of society" at anyone who stands up to your hubris and stupidity. And of course you'll justify this by claiming that they are being self righteous, even though you're the one suggesting that people with views you don't like be lined up and shot.

You're an embarrassment.
 

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Everyone kinda realised that Teran spouts rubbish a while back Frotaz. That's why no one else has gotten involved, because arguing about gay marriage rights with a gay guy that's against it is just pointless.

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Oh nice, never heard THAT one before. It's funny cause most people manage to be only one walking cliche, yet you manage to pull off two.
Clichés exist for a reason.



HEY GUYS IM TERAN I SAY STUFF AND THAT MEANS ITS TRUE ESPECIALLY WHEN I'M TELLING YOU HOW OTHER PEOPLE THINK. Do you understand that you can't possibly know this and statements like this have no bearing on any of your points, or anything at all for that matter? I shouldn't have to explain this because it's something a 9 year old could understand.
Course I know how most people think, it's not really a far stretch.



Maybe if you would learn how to have a basic discussion about something without making stupid and completely irrelevant points, I wouldn't feel compelled to let you know how unbelievably bad you are posting. I do enjoy your pathetic excuses for being so bad at arguing though.
I do know how to have it, but you devolved it into petty insults.


Aha right...I'm "being rude"... and I suppose with this paragraph, you're what, just "being honest" right?
No that paragraph is me being very rude, just like you.


Wait, now I deserve to be killed? lol wow, somebody is mad.
Nobody deserves anything, good or bad, but I like the figure of speech. Would I have you lined up and killed if I could? I dunno, maybe probably.

Again, everything you're saying is 100% irrelevant to my point, completely obvious, and not even worth saying. Didn't I already explain to you that points like "not everyone is born equal" has nothing to do with what I'm saying? You seem completely obsessed with bringing up THE NATURAL ORDER!!! as if human nature is some sort of justification for ****ty behavior. Well guess what? It's not, so stop clinging so desperately to this one terrible point.
Okay here's how it is, your point is convoluted. Your only point was that my selfishness shouldn't get in the way of others' rights. There is no should in anything, so ultimately, your entire argument is nullified. I expressed a wish, not a statement of fact, I never said gay marriage should or shouldn't exist, because ultimately it's not my call, but what I did say is that I wish it didn't, because of the social pressure and expectation of marriage following a relationship among other factors. You turned it into a vilification of my opinion, which while you can disagree with, will lead you to nowhere. This isn't an argument of logic, all it came down to was my simple answer to LT, in which I clearly stated I was in fact selfish, and that's pretty much it. Your problem is that you decided to take opinion into the form of fact, and that will never go anywhere, especially when all you do in the argument is throw insults.

I swear, it's like you read what I say and then just start typing random **** you think is a counterpoint without even thinking about what I type. You are the worst poster on smashboards.
This is literally your only ****ing response to every argument, not just mine, it's happened before in arguments in which I wasn't even involved. OH YOU'RE NOT EVEN ****ING READING THIS, YOU'RE SO STUPID.

LOL as if you are qualified to speak for intelligent people everywhere.
I totally am.

You always say stupid **** like this as if you have some sort of insight into the mind of all the people on earth.
I have insight on basic human nature, and I sort of live in this society so, yeah sure I do.

Hello, ego? It's approaching hilarity at this point because you can't seem to stop and think about how dumb the things you're saying are before you post them.
The mark of a person with an ego is one who has to belittle another to make himself feel bigger. That sounds like you, and don't say OH BUT LOOK AT YOU, because you pretty much continued the theme for post after post before I started jabbing at you.


You know, the only thing I resent about being white is that I have people like you giving us a bad name
Not white, and didn't you say you were black? I can't even remember but I think you did in User Blogs.

by flaunting your ignorant
LOL

backwards
Wat?

sense of morality
I'm amoral

while throwing out irrelevant elitist terms like "uneducated" and "lower rungs of society" at anyone who stands up to your hubris and stupidity.
Oh because calling someone a ******, an idiot, and a disgrace among other things isn't completely ****ish.

And of course you'll justify this by claiming that they are being self righteous, even though you're the one suggesting that people with views you don't like be lined up and shot.
No, I said people who spout dogmatic liberalism and try to push down every other point of view that conflicts with theirs should be shot. My best friend is a fundamentalist Christian who believes I'll burn in hell for eternity, but from the term best friend, you can imagine we get along just fine.

You're an embarrassment.
To who? Gays? White people? (lol), humanity?

Maybe the first and the last, but it's okay, I sleep well at night because I don't have the stain of anger and hatred on my mind.

The sad truth is, everyone here knows to play, but you...



Just got GOT
 

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Man, I don't want to read all of this.


I'm just gonna say frotaz wins because teran used his cheating mod powers to embed a video. :mad:
 

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:facepalm:

It's amazing that they let such half-wits be moderators.

I will spell it out for you:

You say you don't support gay marriage for selfish reasons. Okay. That's fine.

The problem comes along when you try and argue and justify your point of view with statements about the way EVERYONE thinks, or how EVERYONE is, and expect it to be accepted as truth. As if you have some sort of deep insight when it comes to the minds of others or the true nature of humans.

Newsflash: You don't.

Unfortunately, you've made it clear that you think it's perfectly acceptable to assume you know what everyone is thinking and base your arguments off of that.

Therefore, unfortunately, you've made it clear that you are a complete moron who should not be taken seriously.
 

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Frotaz stop accusing everyone of being conceited self-obsessed ****s while at the same time insulting everyone's intelligence/maturity.


How the **** can you not see how hypocritical that is.
My god...
 

Spelt

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So you're going to fight a position you disagree with by using tactics as low as you find the opponent's?


two wrongs blah blah.
I can't believe I'm finding myself say this on a video game forum.
 

frotaz37

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Have you ever been on this forum before?
In case you haven't noticed, everyone, including mods, constantly troll and act like huge pricks.

Don't hate the player.
 

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I love this grade school logic you are bringing to the table.
Really upping the ante.

Don't mind me, i'm just putting poison in this kids milk because he called me a loser during Arts & Crafts.
 

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Oh I see what you're doing. You're trying to paint it like the only reason I reacted the way I did in this thread is because other people flame too and it's not faaaaaaaaaaair.

Wrong.
It was an explanation, not a motivation.
 
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