Anima Araria
Smash Rookie
Unless of course you're the Ice Climbers. And speaking of CGs and IC's, I was told by an IC main that the IC's have a bit of a tougher time CGing Ness and Lucas. Does anybody know if this is true?
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Ness Question and Answer Thread, Ask Ness questions Here!
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PMKNG
Smash Ace
Do you mean actually grabbing ness and lucas? Or do you mean the process of going from in succession to another grab?
Cause for the first, ness and lucas do have good tactics for avoiding grabs, such as pk fire and well spaced fairs. The second however, I am not aware of.
Cause for the first, ness and lucas do have good tactics for avoiding grabs, such as pk fire and well spaced fairs. The second however, I am not aware of.
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
People will tell you Ness to cg because the timing for the regrabs is odd. Although he is a middleweight, the timing seems to lean over to the heavy characters. Although I wouldn't say CGing Ness is hard (everybody has their own characters they have a hard time with), the timing might be unfamiliar to some people.
kennypu
Smash Journeyman
yea it is, doing a full hit of fair(like the whole multi-hit), you can dash grab the enemy while they are still in hit stun if you are close enough
What if they block it, though? I'm afraid I might get grabbed. There's no shield stun, is there?
xoxokev
Smash Lord
you WILL get shield grabbed
Some may argue Delfino is his best, and though it is good I believe there are better ones. Some of Delfino's transformations can screw up things while others work in his favor.
Others may find BF is good for Ness but I beg to differ. The layout of the stage, though basic, can be limiting. Perhaps I'm biased but stages with tight layouts generally make me a bit clausterphobic. BF is generally the stage I strike first in a tournament set.
As for best stage I would vote in favor of Norfair or Pirate Ship. Both have wide open spaces above them, as well as some other different advantages. These are generally the stages I counterpick.
Others may find BF is good for Ness but I beg to differ. The layout of the stage, though basic, can be limiting. Perhaps I'm biased but stages with tight layouts generally make me a bit clausterphobic. BF is generally the stage I strike first in a tournament set.
As for best stage I would vote in favor of Norfair or Pirate Ship. Both have wide open spaces above them, as well as some other different advantages. These are generally the stages I counterpick.
thesage
Smash Hero
75m is Ness' best stage.
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
japes is good too.
Delfino Plaza is going to be a bad stage for Ness now. Against Peach anyway. Battlefield is a fair stage, but not his best. Ness has a lot of good and fair stages. The only ones that aren't good for him are Yoshi's Island Melee and Brawl and Lylat Cruise. I prefer stages that are somewhat enclosed. Large stages suck.
Teh Future
Smash Master
so do ness mains feel like Ness is completely underrated or is it just me?
Gardevior
Smash Lord
I've been playing Ness a little more than usual, and I don't think he's complete crap. He's pretty nice, actually, but he does have his shortcomings that occasionally get me frustrated in a game.
I haven't heard a lot of opinion on Ness, though, so I don't know if people severely underrate him or what.
I haven't heard a lot of opinion on Ness, though, so I don't know if people severely underrate him or what.
Cacti
Smash Journeyman
Grab Release shenannigans screw him over, mostly.
thesage
Smash Hero
He's underrated cuz nobody good really plays him now. I think Ref had a lot of potential before he quit brawl.
Ness Brawler
Smash Rookie
What is ness's best combo?
I have done some but I want to try what might be the best.
I have done some but I want to try what might be the best.
Gardevior
Smash Lord
This man speaks truth. Give him a cookie.
Other than that, though, I would just browse the combo videos for some easy ones. PK Fire to Dair is a pretty classic one (catch them offstage), as is Dthrow > Fair > Fair (at low percents and/or stupid opponents).
thesage
Smash Hero
Ness has a lot of great combos, off the top of my head:
Dair -> bat
Dair/utilt/uair/u-throw/d-throw -> pkt2 (still trying to figure out what percents and what characters these work on).
Dair -> bair chain
U-tilt -> dair -> utilt -> dair -> bair chain.
It depends on what you want to do.
Dair -> bat
Dair/utilt/uair/u-throw/d-throw -> pkt2 (still trying to figure out what percents and what characters these work on).
Dair -> bair chain
U-tilt -> dair -> utilt -> dair -> bair chain.
It depends on what you want to do.
Ness Brawler
Smash Rookie
thanks for telling me some combos. I'm gonna try them out as soon as I can.
Just wondering, is
dthrow,(short jump) fair, (while on 2nd jump) uair, dair a combo?
Just wondering, is
dthrow,(short jump) fair, (while on 2nd jump) uair, dair a combo?
thesage
Smash Hero
A lot of things can be combos if your opponent does not di. Ness' combos are heavily dependent on reading the other person.
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
None of those look like true combos. It's so easy to DI away from Ness when he throws you, utilt lags too much for me to feel safe with it for comboing outside of an aerial (mainly nair), and dair comboing is...
thesage
Smash Hero
Whoops, I thought this was the brawl+ thread...
lol X_X
For vbrawl Uair to u-tilt works at low percents.... Dair is good at setting up consecutive hits.
Sorry.
lol X_X
For vbrawl Uair to u-tilt works at low percents.... Dair is good at setting up consecutive hits.
Sorry.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
i'd think not, but are there any grab release combos for ness? i've wondered but i never really tested because it seems way too improbable.
PMKNG
Smash Ace
the only ones i know are against ness himself. and lucas
dash grab to the edge of the stage, release, dair
in the community combo video, the 2nd clip, my first shows it.
dash grab to the edge of the stage, release, dair
in the community combo video, the 2nd clip, my first shows it.
kennypu
Smash Journeyman
i don't know of any on ground, but if its off the edge:
grab release->run off fair combos well most of the time :3
FightAdamantEevee
Smash Lord
Doesn't Ness have some air release combos on Wario?
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
So Ref, did EIDI turn out to be legit or no?
Levitas
the moon
I haven't seen ref here in a long time, but as far as I'm concerned, there is none. I tested with and without debug, used a lot of iterations trying various analog stick placements, and asked ref for proof which he did not provide.
EIDI does not exist.
EIDI does not exist.
MdrnDayMercutio
Smash Champion
I was just talking to someone and wondering if it was legit and all.
mofo_
Smash Ace
why cant i charge an upsmash/downsmash at the edge? thats so wiggity wack!
btw look at this funny picture of ness
btw look at this funny picture of ness
GotenOnNimbus
Smash Apprentice
What's a good way to perform consistent retreating SH fairs? I'm trying flicking the C-Stick in the opposite direction I'm SHing, but I can never seem to pull it off well in a match. Any suggestions?
Man of Popsicle
Smash Lord
Get the button timing down?
Training mode with lowered speed?
Training mode with lowered speed?
CarVac
Smash Journeyman
I jump, and hit back and C forward simultaneously.
You can't charge a yoyo on the edge, though you can dash then charge it to hang it off the edge.
You can't charge a yoyo on the edge, though you can dash then charge it to hang it off the edge.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
Yes. this one.
GotenOnNimbus
Smash Apprentice
Ok. It was more a case of "am i doin it rite?" than anything. Thanks.