Metaknights' Even matchups? Open discussion

[Steam]

the presence of MK takes away so many team combinations :/

and plenty of people only second MK because of other MKs... that and he will basically be guranteed to cover all your bad matchups... so why not second him?

 

[BSP]

DMG has a point

Dub MK is godly lol. It's like any evenish MU just disappears when you're dealing with two MKs because the characters that have the evens usually need stage control (good luck with that in dubs) and just a slow game in general.

Look at Pound V m2k + Anti, they were wrecking everyone. Two of our best players just quit at the end lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC4t8tbo6D0&feature=related

 

[Steam]

MKx2 destroys every lucario team excpet MK and Wario... : I

 

[B.A.M.]

If Meta was banned we would have a much healthier game. It's just a shame how many potential players have quit because of his prowess

 

[Sinister Slush]

Meta Knight is blue

I'm colorblind so he looks purple to me.

IDK about Singles, but I think banning him in teams is actually a feasible idea. MK is such a limiting character in teams, and I can't think of a single time that a national was won in the history of Brawl with a team other than MK + other character.

I actually agree with this, If it's not an MK winning Singles.
It'll be an MK + That other Guy winning Doubles, While 2nd/3rd place also have either double MK or possibly No MK in 3rd place.

 

[DMG]

With the No MK team a BS combination of top players like Larry ADHD Gnes Razer etc, and teams below that in top 8 still primarily MK + friends.

 

[Wilmenz]

Where are the Snake + G&W teams ._.

 

[DMG]

Replace G&W or Snake with MK.

There's yo team.

 

[John12346]

Okay, so there's this much support for a discussion, apparently...

I still don't see what's so bad about opening an "official" one... I mean, sure, the official reason was that the mods didn't want any headaches, based on the pretense that it would run like the 4th Ban Vote, and I can understand that...

But if we really have this much for support for it, what's the big deal?

 

[Chuee]

Okay, so there's this much support for a discussion, apparently...

I still don't see what's so bad about opening an "official" one... I mean, sure, the official reason was that the mods didn't want any headaches, based on the pretense that it would run like the 4th Ban Vote, and I can understand that...

But if we really have this much for support for it, what's the big deal?

You just answered your own question.

 

[John12346]

I mean, if the uproar for a discussion is big enough, should that technically be enough to override the "official reason" for oppressing against it?

 

[tekkie]

Okay, so there's this much support for a discussion, apparently...

I still don't see what's so bad about opening an "official" one... I mean, sure, the official reason was that the mods didn't want any headaches, based on the pretense that it would run like the 4th Ban Vote, and I can understand that...

But if we really have this much for support for it, what's the big deal?

"We can't be bothered to stop coddling the poor MK mains. Enjoy your uphill struggle or pick up MK like the rest of us."

 

[Steam]

we should really ask for another ban discussion to be started... at LEAST for doubles.

 

[Tesh]

but doubles eventually can boil down to singles play

 

[Steam]

no it can't shut your ***** mouth

 

[John12346]

Should... should we open a petition or something?

inb4*****ing

 

[Tarmogoyf]

SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTHS MK DISCUSSION IS BANNED NOT MK HIMSELF, EVER

Spoiler

caps

 

[Teh Future]

I believe that an ganon that is a master at an MU can pretty much dominate as long as he has the necessary skill. Many players just choose poorer costumes.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Should... should we open a petition or something?

inb4*****ing

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease~! <3

Okay. Most of just ***** about metaknight without going into why they true despise him. Its usually a snide one liner of how MKs a ****.
But you know why that is? Its because were shut down if we really do speak are minds in a serious discussion about MK. I'd like to see a serious discussion to ban MK instead of this "THOU SHALL NOT SPEAK OF BANNING MK" crap. Ban MK threads are banned because of fear that everyones favorite batball will be banned. Theres some legit reasoning to get rid of him so he is at risk of being banned if a thread was allowed. And don't use the excuse "We shut it down because of trolls." SWF is filled with trolls no matter what thread you go to. I hope that doesn't come up because its one cheap *** 25cent excuse.

I'd like to see a community with more character diversity where people don't live in fear of running into that damn bat every tourney.

Let us man up and go balls to the wall debating. See my icon? thats godot. I'm ready for this thang.

*chugs coffee*

 

[tekkie]

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease~! <3

Okay. Most of just ***** about metaknight without going into why they true despise him. Its usually a snide one liner of how MKs a ****.
But you know why that is? Its because were shut down if we really do speak are minds in a serious discussion about MK. I'd like to see a serious discussion to ban MK instead of this "THOU SHALL NOT SPEAK OF BANNING MK" crap. Ban MK threads are banned because of fear that everyones favorite batball will be banned. Theres some legit reasoning to get rid of him so he is at risk of being banned if a thread was allowed. And don't use the excuse "We shut it down because of trolls." SWF is filled with trolls no matter what thread you go to. I hope that doesn't come up because its one cheap *** 25cent excuse.

I'd like to see a community with more character diversity where people don't live in fear of running into that damn bat every tourney.

Let us man up and go balls to the wall debating. See my icon? thats godot. I'm ready for this thang.

*chugs coffee*

it's been done. absolutely NO amount of evidence would lead to MK being banned. if tournaments started having 100% MK usage, if every single game timed out, if attendance plummeted, if absolutely everyone ****ing hated playing brawl, there would still be the people who only know how to use MK who would cry if he was banned and those are the people getting their way.

 

[John12346]

Tekkie, just keep in mind...

Anti-ban may or may not have gotten their way because they made tons of alt. accounts during the 4th ban vote. Of course, the Pro-ban side may have done the same, but you have to realize the implications of what would've happened in that case.

Assume for a second that Pro-ban had 500 votes and Anti-ban had 100 votes. If the vote had ended like that, it would be very clear cut. Now, pretend the Pro-ban and Anti-ban sides both made 2000 accounts and voted with all of them. Then we would have 2500 votes against 2100, which is not conclusive of anything at all. I'm willing to bet the numbers aren't as extreme as I made them out to be, but you get the idea. The vote comes closer to a ratio of 50:50 if both sides use an equal amount of alt. accounts.

Now, pretend a vote was re-opened, and the ability to vote with alternate accounts was negated(or, alternatively, a system prevented you from voting if you didn't have 100+ posts). We'd be extremely close to whatever the true values of both sides' votes would be.

And also, a lot of the Anti-ban side's arguments from back then have collapsed as time has gone by, so yeah...

 

[Throwback]

conspiracy theories on SWF? There's a first.

Spoiler

Ban MK

 

[Life]

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease~! <3

Okay. Most of just ***** about metaknight without going into why they true despise him. Its usually a snide one liner of how MKs a ****.
But you know why that is? Its because were shut down if we really do speak are minds in a serious discussion about MK. I'd like to see a serious discussion to ban MK instead of this "THOU SHALL NOT SPEAK OF BANNING MK" crap. Ban MK threads are banned because of fear that everyones favorite batball will be banned. Theres some legit reasoning to get rid of him so he is at risk of being banned if a thread was allowed. And don't use the excuse "We shut it down because of trolls." SWF is filled with trolls no matter what thread you go to. I hope that doesn't come up because its one cheap *** 25cent excuse.

I'd like to see a community with more character diversity where people don't live in fear of running into that damn bat every tourney.

Let us man up and go balls to the wall debating. See my icon? thats godot. I'm ready for this thang.

*chugs coffee*

You weren't around for the ban discussion threads, were you?

 

[Nicole]

IDK about Singles, but I think banning him in teams is actually a feasible idea. MK is such a limiting character in teams, and I can't think of a single time that a national was won in the history of Brawl with a team other than MK + other character.

THANK YOU.
i thought i was the only person that realized this.
I dont know that he should be entirely banned. but double mk absolutely destroys the viability of many characters that are otherwise quite powerful in teams, if it is played correctly. it may not be considered the "best" team, as it lacks killpower (to an extent), but it ruins character viability in doubles for over 50% of the cast, and i'm talking usable characters here, not link or something.

 

[z00ted]

http://youtu.be/nV9Jg7Jn2CU

http://youtu.be/Po88GNs7Db0

http://youtu.be/zG8HkaY6uGc

http://youtu.be/xbfOU0PrHS0 <- LOOOL

 

[Toneh]

Never been a fan of Double MK since '08, at least people are realizing it now.

it may not be considered the "best" team, as it lacks killpower (to an extent), but it ruins character viability in doubles for over 50% of the cast, and i'm talking usable characters here, not link or something.

Its far and away the best.

 

[Nicole]

http://youtu.be/nV9Jg7Jn2CU

http://youtu.be/Po88GNs7Db0

http://youtu.be/zG8HkaY6uGc

http://youtu.be/xbfOU0PrHS0 <- LOOOL

and imagine if you didnt have snake with you. he's one of the few characters that can at least do SOMETHING about mk's nado no matter where or when you or he is getting hit in the form of nades.

 

[Chuee]

double mk loses to luigi and zss, so he's not bannable.

 

[MJG]

THANK YOU.
i thought i was the only person that realized this.
I dont know that he should be entirely banned. but double mk absolutely destroys the viability of many characters that are otherwise quite powerful in teams, if it is played correctly. it may not be considered the "best" team, as it lacks killpower (to an extent), but it ruins character viability in doubles for over 50% of the cast, and i'm talking usable characters here, not link or something.

and imagine if you didnt have snake with you. he's one of the few characters that can at least do SOMETHING about mk's nado no matter where or when you or he is getting hit in the form of nades.

Hahaha. We were just talking about this last night.


Double MK is broken behind reason (if played correctly).

 

[OverLade]

Double MK is the best team. Imo MK Wario is the only team that might go even with it or beat it head to head but only by a tiny amount, and MK MK is still better against virtually any other team.

And MKs hardest matchups are something like

Falco
Snake
Olimar
Diddy
Yoshi
Fox
ICs
Marth

I'm biased because I **** Diddy but yeah...

 

[Flayl]

I take it you don't consider pikachu that much of a threat then?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Halberd, do you actually think Yoshi is a harder match-up for MK than Fox? 0_o

 

[OverLade]

Pikachu is after Marth. MAYBE before Marth in retrospect. I think MK beats him 60/40 where MK beats Marth and the above characters 55/45.

 

[BSP]

Double MK is waaaaaaaaaay too good

 

[Delta-cod]

And MKs hardest matchups are something like

Falco
Snake
Olimar
Diddy
Yoshi
Fox
ICs
Marth

I'm biased because I **** Diddy but yeah...

LOL

10MKrapesYoshis.

 

[Yikarur]

Pikachu is after Marth. MAYBE before Marth in retrospect. I think MK beats him 60/40 where MK beats Marth and the above characters 55/45.

that's shocking.

 

[Steam]

yes. MK has 7 55:45 matchups. this is good.

 

[Yikarur]

yes. MK has 7 55:45 matchups. this is good.

Yeah it would be awesome if this'd be true lool.

 

[Chuee]

yes. MK has 7 55:45 matchups. this is good.

That's actually believable though.

 

[Steam]

That's actually believable though.

...not sure if serious...