Meta Knight Officially Banned!

[da K.I.D.]

It would be still in evo now if smash community had gotten behind the idea of having smash in EVO as opposed to being childish about the situation and boycotting the event simply because they had items in the ruleset.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

It would be still in evo now if smash community had gotten behind the idea of having smash in EVO as opposed to being childish about the situation and boycotting the event simply because they had items in the ruleset.

Well, let's hope the new Smash game can save us. But yeah you have a point.

 

[Thino]

With Criteria.

I don't really care for people banning stages because they're "gay". In fact there should probably be a lot more stages in place. There's no real criteria that emphasizes stage bans.

In any case I'm straying from my original point. This was about MK breaking the CP system, but I don't believe the one who brought it up was talking about stages. They were talking about Counter picking with characters against MK.

if we're talking purely from a character CP standpoint, MK has close to zero bad matchups

in which case you just pick your best character to fight against him without thinking of counterpicking.

Well, let's hope the new Smash game can save us. But yeah you have a point.

Let's hope the community give importance to EVO to the point they allow their ruleset to be changed this time around

 

[Steam]

well just saying, if evo allowed items... most competitive smashers just wouldn't go. not because they're salty, but because they just don't want to pay money to play in a tourney with items.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

if we're talking purely from a character CP standpoint, MK has close to zero bad matchups

in which case you just pick your best character to fight against him without thinking of counterpicking.


Let's hope the community give importance to EVO to the point they allow their ruleset to be changed this time around

You have a point. It's as almost as awesome as my new avatar.

 

[Jack Kieser]

*sigh* Are people really complaining about SRK and EVO again? You know, SRK doesn't hate Smash. Really, it's true; take it from the guy who personally moderated a Brawl thread on SRK. Really, SRK doesn't think that Smash is inherently useless. It really is the community they dislike, and honestly, we only have ourselves to blame.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

This post is golden, I don't know how I missed it on the previous page.

Now tell me, doesn't banning MK decrease the skill required to be good at the game? how will people learn how to deal with planking now since except other characters planking?

is banning MK scrubby or not? if not what is the difference?

Have you ever considered that those good players and your state don't know or don't want to deal with planking because of you, and have a LGL rule because of that?

I believe I understand the mechanics of planking enough to have made a sound decision, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong at this point and if I was I would change my stance to anti-ban straight away.

fine.
but because of it I don't want any of these criteria getting more importance than others, but the staff said they're working on it.

Definitely, the URC should take everyone's criteria into account and either use or create one that they feel is the best of all worlds, and then follow it to the word.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

*sigh* Are people really complaining about SRK and EVO again? You know, SRK doesn't hate Smash. Really, it's true; take it from the guy who personally moderated a Brawl thread on SRK. Really, SRK doesn't think that Smash is inherently useless. It really is the community they dislike, and honestly, we only have ourselves to blame.

You're half right sir. I have been on 8wayrun.....and they freaking hate the game. I tried starting a competitive brawl thread there and it turn into nothing but a flame war against brawl.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

They don't hate the game, they hate that the game is played competitively and they hate the community.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

They don't hate the game, they hate that the game is played competitively and they hate the community.

so they hate it, right?

 

[Ghostbone]

so they hate it, right?

No, they don't hate it -_-

What part about "They don't hate the game" don't you understand? >.>

Many of them play smash casually, and they like it as a casual game, but not as a tournament game.

 

[da K.I.D.]

They don't hate the game, they hate that the game is played competitively

thats essentially the same thing

and KASR, its funny that you bring up 8wayrun, since one of the dudes that runs that site streamed a brawl tourney today.

 

[Thino]

Well at least on the next installment we know what do to do if we REALLY care about Smash being at Evo.

How many of us do?

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

thats essentially the same thing

and KASR, its funny that you bring up 8wayrun, since one of the dudes that runs that site streamed a brawl tourney today.

LOL yeah...well I been a member of a site for a while. The community over there is crap. they are more banhappy than you guys. And the head admin for the site is a freaking crybaby. He was always *****ing about Talim in Sc4. It was annoying. It made you wonder why was he still playing her. BTw, his name is Jaxel.

No, they don't hate it -_-

What part about "They don't hate the game" don't you understand? >.>

Many of them play smash casually, and they like it as a casual game, but not as a tournament game.

LOL, I just trying to have a little fun. Relax man.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

thats essentially the same thing

...No, they are different things.

A lot of fighting game players think that Brawl is fun to play casually, but not competitively. How are they the same thing?

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

well Grim they're ****s. I dare them to three stock ADHD and Mew2king. Hell, the EU smashers will bodied them for FREE.

 

[da K.I.D.]

they dont hate the game outright, they just hate the game when its played for money. conceptually, thats not really all that different...

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

You do know kids there are people that look down at competitive fighting games as a whole too, right?

 

[Thino]

It's cool to count our haters outside the community, but if we really care let's try to do something about it

If we don't we can just laugh it off

 

[Ghostbone]

LOL, I just trying to have a little fun. Relax man.

lol ok, it's hard to recognise tone over the internet :/

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

You're right Thino.

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Just wanna say...Love your image thino. <3
Should probably get off me arse and fix mine so the white border isn't there...but I cba...
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Honestly, I don't understand all the hatred for smash comp...Find me another fighter where the way of defeat is knocking them out of bounds and I'll be impressed. I think it's silly to count out a style of fighting that's so unique, just because we choose to remove items from the equation. Other fighters adjust round amounts, or in some game's cases, equipment or the like...Why can't we choose to remove items that we've believed/deemed/found to be a potential/guaranteed unbalancing aspect...?
(I don't mean games where it's 'out of bounds OR loss of health' ala the Soul series, I mean EXCLUSIVELY 'out of bounds'. Also, yes I realize brawl also has timing out, but practically every fighter does...:/

EDIT: Impressed was probably the wrong word...I meant if they could find another fighter, that DIDN'T include items, that had essentially the same combat system as smash, then I'd gladly say 'Okay, maybe this is better suited for comp play'. But as far as I know, not a single other fighter has been made even remotely like that of the smash series....

 

[Ghostbone]

Just wanna say...Love your image thino. <3
Should probably get off me arse and fix mine so the white border isn't there...but I cba...
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Honestly, I don't understand all the hatred for smash comp...Find me another fighter where the way of defeat is knocking them out of bounds and I'll be impressed. I think it's silly to count out a style of fighting that's so unique, just because we choose to remove items from the equation. Other fighters adjust round amounts, or in some game's cases, equipment or the like...Why can't we choose to remove items that we've believed/deemed/found to be a potential/guaranteed unbalancing aspect...?
(I don't mean games where it's 'out of bounds OR loss of health' ala the Soul series, I mean EXCLUSIVELY 'out of bounds'. Also, yes I realize brawl also has timing out, but practically every fighter does...:/

EDIT: Impressed was probably the wrong word...I meant if they could find another fighter, that DIDN'T include items, that had essentially the same combat system as smash, then I'd gladly say 'Okay, maybe this is better suited for comp play'. But as far as I know, not a single other fighter has been made even remotely like that of the smash series....

Well, as for a platform fighter kinda game, there's TMNT:Smash Up.

I mean it has a health bar, but aside from that it's very similar to Smash, and you can't really claim that just because in Smash you must knock your opponent into the blast zone (getting a 'ring out') that it's unique.

 

[*JuriHan*]

They don't hate the game, they hate that the game is played competitively and they hate the community.

QFT. This is exactly correct. They still sometimes respect the older games, but they feel Brawl is a joke

Spoiler

which it kinda is imo :x

 

[Thino]

Just wanna say...Love your image thino. <3
Should probably get off me arse and fix mine so the white border isn't there...but I cba...
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Honestly, I don't understand all the hatred for smash comp...Find me another fighter where the way of defeat is knocking them out of bounds and I'll be impressed. I think it's silly to count out a style of fighting that's so unique, just because we choose to remove items from the equation. Other fighters adjust round amounts, or in some game's cases, equipment or the like...Why can't we choose to remove items that we've believed/deemed/found to be a potential/guaranteed unbalancing aspect...?
(I don't mean games where it's 'out of bounds OR loss of health' ala the Soul series, I mean EXCLUSIVELY 'out of bounds'. Also, yes I realize brawl also has timing out, but practically every fighter does...:/

EDIT: Impressed was probably the wrong word...I meant if they could find another fighter, that DIDN'T include items, that had essentially the same combat system as smash, then I'd gladly say 'Okay, maybe this is better suited for comp play'. But as far as I know, not a single other fighter has been made even remotely like that of the smash series....

My opinion on that is that other FGCs see removing items as going too far from the vanilla settings of the game.

Most fighting games we see played at Evo go directly in Vs. mode and use the default settings of the game (2 rounds to win the match, time limit depending on the game).

That's prolly why they want us to play with items at Evo, and they see removing them as a setting that change too much the way the game is played, and see it as trying to force the game to be competitive.

 

[Ghostbone]

My opinion on that is that other FGCs see removing items as going too far from the vanilla settings of the game.

Most fighting games we see played at Evo go directly in Vs. mode and use the default settings of the game (2 rounds to win the match, time limit depending on the game).

That's prolly why they want us to play with items at Evo, and they see removing them as a setting that change too much the way the game is played, and see it as trying to force the game to be competitive.

It's a ridiculous argument, as the game was designed around being able to change all those options, 3 stock 8 minutes no items is as valid a way of playing as 5 minutes coin mode, or 2 minutes timed with all items on high. It's just 1 out of those 3 is way more competitive.....guess which one.

Spoiler

Hint, it's coin mode

And it's not like they'd think we should play time instead of stock, so idk

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

They want us to change our history. We always played smash without items. Why are you changing that? Should we change the health setting for marvel and SF since you wanna change us?

 

[Jack Kieser]

NO. No, we DIDN'T always play Smash without items. We played for YEARS with all items on in Melee.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

NO. No, we DIDN'T always play Smash without items. We played for YEARS with all items on in Melee.

You serious or are you trolling me? If I recall the Melee videos I seen when I was in grade school. I didn't see items on at all.

 

[Ghostbone]

You serious or are you trolling me? If I recall the Melee videos I seen when I was in grade school. I didn't see items on at all.

Until 2004 (2005? Idk Melee vets correct me) the west coast of the US played with items on.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

Until 2004 (2005? Idk Melee vets correct me) the west coast of the US played with items on.

Damn.....why the turn them off? Glitches?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

They realized that they were unbalanced.

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

And that is the history of Smash folks. Now stop playing with those stupid items.

 

[Ussi]

probably like this:

Some guy: "Hey guys, why don't we turn of items?"

Everybody else: "We can do that?!?"

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

Ussi: Best post of the year.

 

[Pachinkosam]

probably like this:

Some guy: "Hey guys, why don't we turn of items?"

Everybody else: "We can do that?!?"

ussi OMG U GOT WAYS WITH WORDS

 

[Tesh]

Every time I read this thread title, my brain replaces the "officially" with "finally". I can't help it.

I guess I don't have a relevant comment on the current topic derailment.

This is like the pro-ban social now I guess.

 

[infiniteV115]

Oh hai Tesh
:3

 

[Tarmogoyf]

Proban social?

So 75% SWF social?

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Most fighting games we see played at Evo go directly in Vs. mode and use the default settings of the game (2 rounds to win the match, time limit depending on the game).

That's prolly why they want us to play with items at Evo, and they see removing them as a setting that change too much the way the game is played, and see it as trying to force the game to be competitive.

Actually...IIRC, default settings for my SSF4 were best of 3...not best of 5 >.>

True...

Well, as for a platform fighter kinda game, there's TMNT:Smash Up.

I mean it has a health bar, but aside from that it's very similar to Smash, and you can't really claim that just because in Smash you must knock your opponent into the blast zone (getting a 'ring out') that it's unique.

...Actually, if it's the only game that does it like that...Yes, yes you can and SHOULD call it 'unique'. The whole reason the word 'unique' exists is that it's 'one of a kind'...aka 'unique'. Unless there's another

probably like this:

Some guy: "Hey guys, why don't we turn of items?"

Everybody else: "We can do that?!?"

Heh...

And that is the history of Smash folks. Now stop playing with those stupid items.

This.

Until 2004 (2005? Idk Melee vets correct me) the west coast of the US played with items on.

And that's why east coast was, and still is, superior.

Every time I read this thread title, my brain replaces the "officially" with "finally". I can't help it.

I guess I don't have a relevant comment on the current topic derailment.

This is like the pro-ban social now I guess.

Come on in. The muffins are on the table to your right, and tea is behind them.