Match-Up Discussion #14! Fox

[_X_]

X; IF you're coming in with a dair at all, Marth can punish before you even hit his shield

The same could be said about just about everything in this game.

And if that were 100% then wouldn't it be impossible to hit Marth at all with dair? :|

 

[-Mars-]

X your a little late to this matchup thread, we tried to covince them it is 60:40, but everyone on the Marth boards is convinced it's 70:30 or worse and they're not going to change thier minds.

 

[_X_]

X your a little late to this matchup thread, we tried to covince them it is 60:40, but everyone on the Marth boards is convinced it's 70:30 or worse and they're not going to change thier minds.

I wasn't try to change their minds, I was just posting my opinion on the matter.

 

[Shaya]

It is indeed possible to hit any character with anything. Falcon Punch anyone?

But on any note, dair is an approach by Fox that isn't as reliable against Marth as it is against other characters. Mostly because of Dolphin Slash.

And no, I don't think people honestly believe the match up is worse than 70-30.

 

[3xSwords]

Tru dat Shaya, I'm basically sticking with 70-30 b/c I'm basically tired with all the 60-40 bs that has been the result of the post 13 discussions, but that's as high as I'll go.

 

[nonemus]

OK. 12 pages. Good. Can we move on now ?

I think its 66.8223493-33.1776507 Marth's favor.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Lol just end the thread inconclusion the match-up is considered 70-30 Marth's favor

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I'm surprised Steel hasn't made a new one yet, it's been a while. 70-30.

 

[_Kadaj_]

He should do samus (the original) her range game is ialot better than marth's and is somewhat as heavy as snake. Good defensive game. And kinda hard to get in close to

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

But still not very good, which is weird because everything you said sounds so good Kadaj, and yet she is thought of by many as no higher than low tier.

 

[Steel]

All Samus has is zair, that's it. You can just jab her projectiles.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

True... But her Zair is great...

 

[_Kadaj_]

When you play a good samus its not as easy as it sounds when trying to fan projectiles. You can't really get in close on a good samus.

Hey I got an idea watch some vids of Tudor's samus arguably the best samus out there and you'll see what I mean in terms of getting in close.

And as far as her being low tier. Its more because she's underused if anything

 

[Steel]

I know what you mean, Samus is good at keeping Marth away. However once you are inside she can't really do anything. (i mean that in the least sexual way possible) You just have to keep on her and don't let her get breathing room once you are past the zair. The best approach imo is probably a shield approach.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Yea but don't hit on her shield to much or she will up-b you out of her shield

And after that you have to go through that process of trying to get in all over again

 

[Emblem Lord]

Space well and she up b's the air. Then she is completely vulnerable.

Then feel free to **** that ho.

Literally.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Yea I know I'm just saying for those who don't. And I'm not sure but I think she can jc zair out of shield

 

[Turbo Ether]

Space well and she up b's the air. Then she is completely vulnerable.

Then feel free to **** that ho.

Literally.

Couldn't you say the same thing about Marth's UpB out of shield? Or does the horizontal movement make that much of a difference?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Marth completely outspaces Samus' up b is what I'm saying. If you play your normal spacing game she wouldn't have much of an opportunity to use up b.

Other characters who attack with their bodies or have little range will eat Marth's up b regardless of spacing, when they attack his shield.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Correct again but I've found that SHADing can be used to avoid the zair

 

[3mbl3m l0rd]

LOL my brother mains Fox. The scoop? Dancing Blade, correct spacing, and unpredictable counters. Fair offstage to edgehog.

 

[∫unk]

You are so cool.

 

[Steel]

lolwut

10posers

 

[BacklashMarth]

i think the vs. samus thread should be created now

 

[Vorguen]

It's Falco with no CG, slightly different pokes, worse jab combo, no real containment game, better running speed, better kill moves and a mediocre approach.

I would call it as 65/35 Marth's favor.

He really has nothing on Marth besides good kill moves and his laser which can help with damage racking, but nothing really beyond that.

...and also lacks Falco's spike.

 

[Remzi]

...and also lacks Falco's spike.

This definitely required a bump! Good job!

Anyways, I think 70-30 tbh.

 

[∫unk]

i lost to a fox in tourney cause i forgot you can up b the drill

 

[Remzi]

Sometimes they shield before my Up B comes out and I whiff it. Then I eat an usmash, lol.

 

[Vorguen]

Doesn't Up B outprioritize their Dair?

Or am I not getting what the drill is?

 

[BacklashMarth]

Doesn't Up B outprioritize their Dair?

Or am I not getting what the drill is?

Yes, thats exactly what junk was saying. You CAN UpB the dair.

Side note: Watching a fox dashdance is annoying especially when he hops around like a flea on crack along with it. Shine stalling the dair is actually annoyingly effective on fox's part (im stupid and get caught by it sometimes)

 

[Alterhalo]

I try to Up-B drill my best friend is a fox main It doesn't always work

 

[∫unk]

smash di

 

[Alterhalo]

Ahh thank you very much for ze advice

 

[Vorguen]

edit: nevermind I figured it out on my own.

 

[condemned_soul]

so what would be the most effect marth combos to use against fox?

 

[Albert.]

so what would be the most effect marth combos to use against fox?

Swing your sword multiple times in succession.

Thank you for the useless bump. >_<

 

[Pr0phetic]

Swing your sword multiple times in succession.

Thank you for the useless bump. >_<

Even though it woulda been more useful in the Q&A, it is on topic, and encouraged, so it's not totally useless.

Do the relatively new cg on Fox, then just pressure the crap outta him, 0-death if edgeguarded, 0-any % depending on your pressure game

 

[Megavitamins]

^theres a new cg?

 

[C.J.]

fthrow x2->dthrow x5->tipper fsmash

 

[Megavitamins]

^WTF lol if that works ill eat my legs