Mass Effect series discussion

[Master Xanthan]

played with randoms after odin and everyone left, got insta killed by phantom when in the middle of my heavy melee, almost threw my controller, good thing I didn't because its new.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Yeah, my only gripe about being a melee-loving class is that you should not go to OHKO enemies.

It really removes the fun and clearly reduces effectiveness on the field.

Which pretty much happens all the time on Gold, so I just stopped playing melee classes on Gold.

I lurve my Salarian Engineer.

 

[O D I N]

played with randoms after odin and everyone left, got insta killed by phantom when in the middle of my heavy melee, almost threw my controller, good thing I didn't because its new.

This is why you do the combo;

Biotic Charge->Heavy Melee->Melee->Shotgun

Biotic Charge is ALWAYS a stun against the human enemies.

 

[LivewiresXe]

My only gripe with my Krogan Sentinel is that I accidentally put too many points in Incinerate so I can't get Tech Armor past level 4 and get into the extra Damage Reduction and the 30% Melee Damage Bonus.

 

[O D I N]

Time to Promote/Respec Card!

Incinerate isn't useless, but I love my build with nothing but Tech Armor and grenades. It's so nice not having to worry about cooldown and taking all of the heavy weapons.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Time to Promote/Respec Card!

Incinerate isn't useless, but I love my build with nothing but Tech Armor and grenades. It's so nice not having to worry about cooldown and taking all of the heavy weapons.

I know, but I like my Level 20 Turian Sentinel too. And I just promoted my Engineer a bit ago, so it's just at Level 9, with a Soldier at 12. I like to at least have one level 20 class at all times.

 

[Master Xanthan]

I find no enjoyment in promoting anymore, I'm just gonna keep all my chars at level 20 until some event to get an N7 weapon requires me to do so.

 

[O D I N]

I find no enjoyment in promoting anymore, I'm just gonna keep all my chars at level 20 until some event to get an N7 weapon requires me to do so.

I'm only promoting to try new builds and what not.

Get rid of points that I didn't want placed elsewhere, etc.

 

[Archangel]

I've been at 120 for awhile now. I see no reason to go beyond it atm.

 

[Archangel]

I still like the story. Sure the ending wasn't great but everything up until that point was pretty good.

Edit: And I'm sick of that stupid Vanguard glitch where if you go down in the middle of a Biotic Charge, your character starts glitching and it makes it either hard to control your character or you rise to the top of the map and its impossible to do anything. Happened to me twice today while using Krogan Vanguard and this glitch caused me to lose on silver twice, they really need to fix this.

well yeah but the problem is that point nullifies the interest of the Mass Effect Universe completely.(At least as of now).

and yeah I quit playing the Vanguard class as a whole since to the glitching that Charging has. Then there are the moments when I use charge and it doesn't happen for no ****ING REASON!!!!!!!!

 

[BirthNote]

You've all covered the indoctrination thing right?

 

[Master Xanthan]

You've all covered the indoctrination thing right?

Spoiler

Yes, but I think its very unlikely to be correct. We'll just have to wait till the Extended Cut DLC comes out

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Yeah. While I like the idea of it, I want what BW has set for the story.

I won't read anything that has to do with ending theory until that happens.

 

[Archangel]

I saw a video on the whole thing and read up on it. It's cleaver but still seemed like it was all too...tossed together you could say. It seemed like a conspiracy theory. Bioware has yet to confirm or deny the possibility of indoctrination as far as I know.

 

[Pluvia]

Someone pointed out you can find clues in anything. Like you could say Shepard died at the start of ME2 and everything after is the afterlife, hence Cerberus, Afterlife, Purgatory (twice, and Avina has no information on it).

 

[BirthNote]

Good points. I believe it, but I'll look forward to that ending DLC thing in the meantime.

 

[ballin4life]

Someone pointed out you can find clues in anything. Like you could say Shepard died at the start of ME2 and everything after is the afterlife, hence Cerberus, Afterlife, Purgatory (twice, and Avina has no information on it).

sure, but good luck making 20 minute videos on that theory. i think things like no one else noticing the child and the little "reaper growl" after you talk to him in the vent are much more compelling evidence. or the fact that the gameplay after getting hit by is very similar to the dream sequences, and your gun never needs to reload and all that.


the real weakness in the indoctrination theory is that you can use it to explain anything you didn't like about the ending. while that is a good thing in one sense (getting rid of the bad parts of the ending), it also means that a lot of the stuff in the ending isn't really evidence for it. how did the normandy wind up on some random planet with my squadmates that were with me on earth? well it must be because SHEPARD WAS INDOCTRINATED!!!!!!!

that said it's a far far better ending than believing that all that stuff was real lol

 

[Pluvia]

The main evidence against it is they'd never pull the rug out from under you and reveal that everything with TIM didn't actually happen and he's in fact still alive, and you'll have to have yet another confrontation with him. You probably could make a 20 minute long video of why everything after the start of ME2 is the afterlife with evidence if you looked hard enough too.

And if I recall correctly the codex states guns don't actually need to reload, the reload mechanism is actually just an instant cooldown thing, but if you don't do that your guns can break like Zaeed's.

 

[Master Xanthan]

The main evidence against it is they'd never pull the rug out from under you and reveal that everything with TIM didn't actually happen and he's in fact still alive, and you'll have to have yet another confrontation with him. You probably could make a 20 minute long video of why everything after the start of ME2 is the afterlife with evidence if you looked hard enough too.

And if I recall correctly the codex states guns don't actually need to reload, the reload mechanism is actually just an instant cooldown thing, but if you don't do that your guns can break like Zaeed's.

Spoiler

Plus if the indoctrination theory is true then there should be more gameplay because then you haven't really beaten the Reapers yet you've only made their attempt to indoctrinate you fail.

 

[Pluvia]

Spoiler

Plus if the indoctrination theory is true then there should be more gameplay because then you haven't really beaten the Reapers yet you've only made their attempt to indoctrinate you fail.

Spoiler

You'd have to replay the whole end again, because everything that got tied up like Anderson, TIM and the Crucible would have to be revisited. Seeing as though that entire TIM part takes 10 minutes alone it'd be like a kick in the balls.

Then once you reach the Crucible it would have to cause some sort of galactic changing stop the Reapers event, and it would have to give you some sort of choice, so it wouldn't really be much different from what we got. You'd basically be playing the ending twice with minor differences.

 

[Pikaville]

Mass Effect 4: A Shepard through time.

Calling it now.

Shepard will travel back to when the cycle began to stop the reapers from ever existing.

 

[BirthNote]

I just wanna say that while playing ME3 I talked to EDI after a certain mission. I uploaded the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4MwPjzBXw&list=UUSL1fEHLydBwcYXZB_w9uhA&index=1&feature=plcp

BETTER quality, skip to 1:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj2INCxoO9s&feature=related

What's strange is that Shepard states anyone will be indoctrinated, so I thought 'Wait..then what's stopping Shepard?' Its also weird that Shepard comes under fire in ME2 and 3 for working with Cerberus, but nobody really gets worried about all the reapers and reaper tech he's been around.

There's also whispering throughout the whole Shep and Anderson vs TIM scene.

 

[Master Xanthan]

I just wanna say that while playing ME3 I talked to EDI after a certain mission. I uploaded the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i4MwPjzBXw&list=UUSL1fEHLydBwcYXZB_w9uhA&index=1&feature=plcp

What's strange is that Shepard states anyone will be indoctrinated, so I thought 'Wait..then what's stopping Shepard?' Its also weird that Shepard comes under fire in ME2 and 3 for working with Cerberus, but nobody really gets worried about all the reapers and reaper tech he's been around.

There's also whispering throughout the whole Shep and Anderson vs TIM scene.

You're gonna have to link to another video, the quality of that one is terrible.

 

[BirthNote]

I know, I wasn't expecting that conversation to come up, so I hastily pulled out my phone and recorded it. I looked around for a good version before uploading, but I couldn't find one. If anyone has or finds a better quality version, PLEASE post a link.

Its mostly for listening. :/

EDIT: Found another. Skip to 1:50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj2INCxoO9s&feature=related

 

[theeboredone]

At least this conversation is more civil lol.

 

[LivewiresXe]

So for what it's worth, I got the Asari Justicar today. She's pretty good in that that can set off her own Biotic Explosions like the Drell Adept can, but has much more life. And the Biotic Sphere thing is actually kinda good, and I like how you can get it to help you set up Biotic Explosions on the enemies inside it.

 

[smashbot226]

So I got Krogan Vanguard and, uh, the game is just too easy now. Does anyone else get the vibe that Krogan in general are REALLY damn good, more so than basically every other race?

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Tell me that when you play gold

But, yeah, on Bronze/Silver, Krogans are beasts.

 

[smashbot226]

Tell me that when you play gold

But, yeah, on Bronze/Silver, Krogans are beasts.

Krogan Vanguard, Krogan Sentinel, Asari Bubblicar, and strong Geth unit who don't need no organic.

Spoiler

ALL ABOARD THE REAP TRAIN

 

[O D I N]

Krogan Vanguard, Krogan Sentinel, Asari Bubblicar, and strong Geth unit who don't need no organic.

Spoiler

ALL ABOARD THE REAP TRAIN

Pretty sure you meant...

ALL ABOARD THE MURDERTRAIN!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/s73o9/all_aboard_the_murdertrain_or_how_to_krogan/

In case you missed my guide.

 

[Master Xanthan]

Spoiler

There's something I was wondering about. I hear people commenting on the endings on other sites and all that. The pro-ending side says that those that hate the ending are too stupid to understand it. But what's not to understand? You either destroy all synthetics, synthesize all life, or control the reapers. What's there to not understand? I just don't like the ending because of the plotholes and choices in the previous games not influencing what endings you get.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Spoiler

The pro-ending side says that those that hate the ending are too stupid to understand it. But what's not to understand? You either destroy all synthetics, synthesize all life, or control the reapers. What's there to not understand? I just don't like the ending because of the plotholes and choices in the previous games not influencing what endings you get.

Spoiler

Sorry if I seem douchy, but I just want clarification.

"The pro-ending side says that those that hate the ending are too stupid to understand it." Stupid to understand what? It's a bit ambiguous.

Are you siding with the pro-ending side because the endings are too easy to understand? That they think haters are stupid because the endings are very simple?

Or are you against them because the pro-ending side implies that they have deeper analysis of the ending and you are the one who thinks that the endings are black/white/gray?

 

[Master Xanthan]

Spoiler

Sorry if I seem douchy, but I just want clarification.

"The pro-ending side says that those that hate the ending are too stupid to understand it." Stupid to understand what? It's a bit ambiguous.

Are you siding with the pro-ending side because the endings are too easy to understand? That they think haters are stupid because the endings are very simple?

Or are you against them because the pro-ending side implies that they have deeper analysis of the ending and you are the one who thinks that the endings are black/white/gray?

You just said it yourself, I think. There are too many plotholes (Shepard living at the end of the Destroy ending, wtf?) for some people to develop a closure to the trilogy.

Spoiler

Yeah idk what they mean, they just say that people don't like the ending because they're too dumb to understand the ending. And I personally dislike the ending. I don't dislike it so intensely that I'm never going to buy a Bioware product again or anything like that. I know people can speculate about what happened after the ending and all that. But I don't like endings that rely too much on speculation because you don't know if its right.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Spoiler

Yeah idk what they mean, they just say that people don't like the ending because they're too dumb to understand the ending. And I personally dislike the ending. I don't dislike it so intensely that I'm never going to buy a Bioware product again or anything like that. I know people can speculate about what happened after the ending and all that. But I don't like endings that rely too much on speculation because you don't know if its right.

Spoiler

I know it's just spec and stuff, but I've always been of the thought process that Destroy (if you're awareness isn't so low that the blast kills EVERYONE and EVERYTHING) does NOT actually destroy all synthetics and just actually destroys The Reapers. Because well...The Reapers and all that have been pretty well known to lie to organics and people before so I see no reason why they wouldn't again.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Spoiler

Yeah idk what they mean, they just say that people don't like the ending because they're too dumb to understand the ending. And I personally dislike the ending. I don't dislike it so intensely that I'm never going to buy a Bioware product again or anything like that. I know people can speculate about what happened after the ending and all that. But I don't like endings that rely too much on speculation because you don't know if its right.

Spoiler

This was my gripe with the endings from the very, very beginning.

Why is Shepard given the right to decide the fate of the galaxy? Why did BW decide to give us the "Oh Cloud, you are the only one who can save us" treatment?

While there is some leeway to how much a story can use that character archetype, it sucked, especially how heavily emphasized it was in the final choice.

PLOTHOLE RANT:

And why would the Reapers, efficiently going their happy way destroying everything in their paths, want to give Shep a choice; unless from the very start of their existence it was written down that eventually someone would stop them? Which sounds absolutely ridiculous, and is also going to speculation, which is not what I want right now.

And the Reaper child appearing inside the very thing that was supposed to destroy them? Why couldn't they destroy it in the first place?

AND WHAT HAPPENED TO NUKES? WHY DON'T WE JUST NUKE THE EARTH? D:
(The Reapers probably have some sort of anti-nuke thing, but those pesky infantry should die in an instant, right?)

 

[Master Xanthan]

Spoiler

I know it's just spec and stuff, but I've always been of the thought process that Destroy (if you're awareness isn't so low that the blast kills EVERYONE and EVERYTHING) does NOT actually destroy all synthetics and just actually destroys The Reapers. Because well...The Reapers and all that have been pretty well known to lie to organics and people before so I see no reason why they wouldn't again.

Spoiler

It is true that the Reapers can lie. Also Edi can survive the Destroy ending if you use her as your squadmate during most of the game. The fact that Edi can survive either means the godchild is a liar or it was bad writing on Bioware's part.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Spoiler

It is true that the Reapers can lie. Also Edi can survive the Destroy ending if you use her as your squadmate during most of the game. The fact that Edi can survive either means the godchild is a liar or it was bad writing on Bioware's part.

Spoiler

Yeah, I was actually going to reference that. I kind of doubt they'd leave that in if she was supposed to actually die.

 

[Pluvia]

Spoiler

Actually that's not true. I've heard that but there's a suspicious lack of evidence for it, you'd think there'd be tons of Youtube videos detailing it but Youtube just keeps on turning up blanks.

So yeah, don't believe "This totally happened in my game" without evidence.

Edit:

Spoiler

This was my gripe with the endings from the very, very beginning.

Why is Shepard given the right to decide the fate of the galaxy? Why did BW decide to give us the "Oh Cloud, you are the only one who can save us" treatment?

Spoiler

Actually by the looks of it there's nothing special about Shepard, he's just the first organic to make it there, so it's not "he's the only one that can save us" in the Catalysts' eyes, it's just he happens to be lucky enough to make it there. Why is it "he's the only one that can save us" in the galaxies eyes? Well it depends how you play, Renegade Shepard just shoots everyone that goes against him.

Spoiler

And why would the Reapers, efficiently going their happy way destroying everything in their paths, want to give Shep a choice; unless from the very start of their existence it was written down that eventually someone would stop them? Which sounds absolutely ridiculous, and is also going to speculation, which is not what I want right now.

And the Reaper child appearing inside the very thing that was supposed to destroy them? Why couldn't they destroy it in the first place?

AND WHAT HAPPENED TO NUKES? WHY DON'T WE JUST NUKE THE EARTH? D:
(The Reapers probably have some sort of anti-nuke thing, but those pesky infantry should die in an instant, right?)

Spoiler

If you don't want speculation then the Catalyst just plain up says the Crucible changed him, also he never appeared inside it he appeared on the Citadel.

Nuking the Earth wouldn't do anything to stop the Reapers, it would cut down on the amount of Sovereign class Reapers they can build but that's it.

 

[BirthNote]

Spoiler

It is true that the Reapers can lie. Also Edi can survive the Destroy ending if you use her as your squadmate during most of the game. The fact that Edi can survive either means the godchild is a liar or it was bad writing on Bioware's part.

Spoiler

I'm leaning more towards "he's lying" due to the breathing scene if you have a high enough EMS.

 

[O D I N]

http://imgur.com/a/EPNNB

The MURDERTRAIN has left the station, ON GOLD.

Krogan Vanguard is VERY doable and able to dominate in Gold.

You just have to be smart.

Nice having you along for the ride Xanthan.