Mass Effect series discussion

[Pluvia]

ODIN, that is fantastic.

+rep.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

How about them Reapers, ODIN?

I want the MURDERTRAIN now...

I have had no such luck at all.

 

[Master Xanthan]

http://imgur.com/a/EPNNB

The MURDERTRAIN has left the station, ON GOLD.

Krogan Vanguard is VERY doable and able to dominate in Gold.

You just have to be smart.

Nice having you along for the ride Xanthan.

yeah, was great playing with you too. This game's mp is so much more enjoyable when not playing with randoms.

 

[O D I N]

ODIN, that is fantastic.

+rep.

Thanks mate.

How about them Reapers, ODIN?

I want the MURDERTRAIN now...

I have had no such luck at all.

I gotta work my way up. I'm looking forward to doing Cerberus next. But Reapers are on the list.

Sorry you haven't had luck yet.

I'm also going to do a new guide for Advanced Tactics pretty soon. Going more in depth on Barrier pops and stuff.

yeah, was great playing with you too. This game's mp is so much more enjoyable when not playing with randoms.

MUCH more enjoyable. :D

 

[Pluvia]

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Btw I think I'm managing to dispell this myth on social Bioware that EDI survives the destroy ending. Upon looking around and finding no evidence of it I realised it was just hearsay, so I made a thread challenging people to prove to me EDI dies and it became oddly popular, and a guy even got out his gibbed ending and set all the variables so it'd be the best possible situation for EDI to survive and she never turned up. He then even hacked the game to the only 2 squaddies were Liara and EDI and she still never turned up. In the end the general agreement was no she can't survive, and thousands of people read that thread.

Feels good.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I still think you're wrong for the reasons I listed, and I'm at the point where it'll take official word from a Bioware rep to convince me otherwise.

 

[Pluvia]

No this was about

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people saying they saw EDI walk out of the Normandy in the destroy ending. Turns out they were lying.

 

[BirthNote]

Any other myths?

 

[Pluvia]

There's a whole ton regarding the ending but I'd rather stick with the stuff that can be proven in-game without having to spend time trying to tell each individual.

 

[BirthNote]

Okay.

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I'm sticking to the whispering throughout the TIM vs Shep and Anderson scene. It seems to implicate something. Very strange imo.

 

[Pluvia]

Okay.

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I'm sticking to the whispering throughout the TIM vs Shep and Anderson scene. It seems to implicate something. Very strange imo.

Spoiler

That's TIM controlling Shepard, notice how he gets him to shoot Anderson.

 

[BirthNote]

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Meh...I never interpreted it that way due to Miranda saying TIM forbade her from having devices that would control Shepard.

There's a lot up for interpretation though. :/

 

[Pluvia]

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Meh...I never interpreted it that way due to Miranda saying TIM forbade her from having devices that would control Shepard.

There's a lot up for interpretation though. :/

Spoiler

Just before then you discover that Cerberus made headway in indoctrination technology, and TIM is also controlling Anderson.

 

[BirthNote]

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TIM would have to have put something in Anderson, and that's pretty unlikely since he spent the whole game on Earth. I'm leaning towards this scene being a hallucination as evidenced by the whispering and oily shadows, and Anderson and TIM being representations of Shep's mind/reaper influence--the main thing leading me to that conclusion is Shep bleeding where Anderson was shot after he passed away.

I'd REALLY like Bioware to provide some closure.

 

[Pluvia]

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TIM would have to have put something in Anderson, and that's pretty unlikely since he spent the whole game on Earth. I'm leaning towards this scene being a hallucination as evidenced by the whispering and oily shadows, and Anderson and TIM being representations of Shep's mind/reaper influence--the main thing leading me to that conclusion is Shep bleeding where Anderson was shot after he passed away.

I'd REALLY like Bioware to provide some closure.

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It's all oily because it represents TIM controlling them, TIM gets advanced Reaper indoctrination tech put inside him as evident from the logs on the Cerberus base, that's why he's able to control them. Shepard grabs his side before that scene too, when he was standing up, he just doesn't notice how badly he's hurt until after.

The IT theory doesn't like to tell you these things because it's counter to its points.

 

[BirthNote]

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It's all oily because it represents TIM controlling them, TIM gets advanced Reaper indoctrination tech put inside him as evident from the logs on the Cerberus base, that's why he's able to control them. Shepard grabs his side before that scene too, when he was standing up, he just doesn't notice how badly he's hurt until after.

The IT theory doesn't like to tell you these things because it's counter to its points.

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But...the oily shadows first appear in the 2nd dream.

I'm analyzing the way you said "them" in 2 different ways. If you mean Shep and Anderson, then they would need Cerberus implants, and only one of them definitely has it (whether or not those implants in Shep are reaper tech is another story, but I'm doubting it tbh). If you mean "them" as in the reapers, I find that hard to believe because the Starchild admits that TIM couldn't control them. I do think you mean Shep and Anderson tbh.

And, you're right that Shep clutches that area even before Anderson gets shot. Good point there, but I've also noticed that Shep's left hand is relatively clean until after Anderson passes. Once that happens, the left hand's covered in fresh bright blood, and Shepard is like "Huh..look at that..."

And maybe I'm seeing this differently, but that log seemed to imply that with mastery over his indoctrinated troops, he could risk indoctrinating himself (although he's had reaper influence for decades) to completely control his army.

:/

 

[Pluvia]

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But...the oily shadows first appear in the 2nd dream.

I'm analyzing the way you said "them" in 2 different ways. If you mean Shep and Anderson, then they would need Cerberus implants, and only one of them definitely has it (whether or not those implants in Shep are reaper tech is another story, but I'm doubting it tbh). If you mean "them" as in the reapers, I find that hard to believe because the Starchild admits that TIM couldn't control them. I do think you mean Shep and Anderson tbh.

And, you're right that Shep clutches that area even before Anderson gets shot. Good point there, but I've also noticed that Shep's left hand is relatively clean until after Anderson passes. Once that happens, the left hand's covered in fresh bright blood, and Shepard is like "Huh..look at that..."

And maybe I'm seeing this differently, but that log seemed to imply that with mastery over his indoctrinated troops, he could risk indoctrinating himself (although he's had reaper influence for decades) to completely control his army.

:/

Spoiler

No TIM has the Reaper implants, it's TIM enforcing his will upon them, because of their advances in Reaper indoctrination technology and the implants he gets inside of him he's able to control others to an extent. Notice how the shadows don't appear until after we see TIM, he speaks for a bit and keeps them both frozen, then it strengthens greatly just before TIM forces Shepard to shoot Anderson, and he even does that biotic thing with his hand to help show this.

For the bleeding thing, the wound obviously just worsened, and the log states mastery over his already indoctrinated troops, but that influence also extends to control, albeit quite weak, to non indoctrinated individuals at close range by the looks of it.

 

[O D I N]

ALL KROGAN GOLD RUN.

Feels amazing, man.

Our Sentinel doesn't have the Vanguard yet.

Johnny had to leave and come back due to glitching.

 

[Pluvia]

ODIN next time I'm on I want to do one of those with you.

Also on a different note I changed my avatar for the first time in a long time, to something ME related.

 

[BirthNote]

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No TIM has the Reaper implants, it's TIM enforcing his will upon them, because of their advances in Reaper indoctrination technology and the implants he gets inside of him he's able to control others to an extent. Notice how the shadows don't appear until after we see TIM, he speaks for a bit and keeps them both frozen, then it strengthens greatly just before TIM forces Shepard to shoot Anderson, and he even does that biotic thing with his hand to help show this.

For the bleeding thing, the wound obviously just worsened, and the log states mastery over his already indoctrinated troops, but that influence also extends to control, albeit quite weak, to non indoctrinated individuals at close range by the looks of it.

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I'm not sure why they'd emphasize the hand after Anderson's passing if what you're saying might be right. The controlling non-indoctrinated people idea seems like a...stretch but, it might be possible. I'm skeptical of that too however.

Something to keep in mind is that the whispering starts almost immediately, and while those oily tentacle-like shadows appear when TIM shows up and strengthen at points, both of those elements are a big part of the dream sequences along with that kid, who also appears. Some of the symptoms of indoctination are there in the scene; they can be interpreted differently (like the headaches--Shep did just survive a laser blast and was flung to the citadel so that's understandable), but those 3 things and a few others tie so well together--especially when the reapers' master takes the form of the child.

What's also of note is that the kid says TIM was under his control. So, if TIM's trying to control/convince Anderson and Shep but he's being manipulated himself, you can essentially say that the reapers are trying to control Shep and Anderson. Even if the shadows and whispers are TIM's influence, the fact that he's indoctrinated mean that those are also reaper elements. TIM doesn't succeed in convincing the 2; 1 "dies" and the other faces the reapers' master himself. I find it likely that the leader of the reapers, who assert their greatness in all 3 games would atleast try to get you to see things his way. He definitely tries by making you doubt your plan to destroy them and highlighting 1-2 other options. They've been doing this routine for billions of years, so I'm sure they're deeply rooted in their morals.

Lastly, Shep's been around so many reapers and tech that its alarming. The reapers on Tuchanka (directly beneath), Rannoch (face to face), and Cerberus HQ (near) are some examples. Shep comes under fire in ME2 and 3 for his Cerberus ties, but nobody ever worried about his reaper-related encounters. That's kinda conspicuous since its made clear that "Anyone aboard a reaper is gonna be indoctrinated", and Liara warns the krogan to stay away from Kalros's biggest victim. Shep has a strong will, but its definitely being strained in ME3. Its weird to think that everyone but Shepard is at risk.

Anyway, good debate so far. Usually I see these go horribly wrong and both sides start to look bad. One thing for sure, I'm DEFINITELY looking forward that DLC.

 

[theeboredone]

I honestly don't care about these discussions anymore. It feels like the same old points being made by both sides. I'm just gonna sit and wait.

 

[Archangel]

I honestly don't care about these discussions anymore. It feels like the same old points being made by both sides. I'm just gonna sit and wait.

We are on the same page. I just want to ride the Krogan train.

 

[Pluvia]

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Something to keep in mind is that the whispering starts almost immediately, and while those oily tentacle-like shadows appear when TIM shows up and strengthen at points, both of those elements are a big part of the dream sequences along with that kid, who also appears. Some of the symptoms of indoctination are there in the scene; they can be interpreted differently (like the headaches--Shep did just survive a laser blast and was flung to the citadel so that's understandable), but those 3 things and a few others tie so well together--especially when the reapers' master takes the form of the child.

What's also of note is that the kid says TIM was under his control. So, if TIM's trying to control/convince Anderson and Shep but he's being manipulated himself, you can essentially say that the reapers are trying to control Shep and Anderson. Even if the shadows and whispers are TIM's influence, the fact that he's indoctrinated mean that those are also reaper elements. TIM doesn't succeed in convincing the 2; 1 "dies" and the other faces the reapers' master himself. I find it likely that the leader of the reapers, who assert their greatness in all 3 games would atleast try to get you to see things his way. He definitely tries by making you doubt your plan to destroy them and highlighting 1-2 other options. They've been doing this routine for billions of years, so I'm sure they're deeply rooted in their morals.

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Technically the whispers only start when Shepard approached Anderson, someone who is already being controlled, then as soon as TIM appears the oily stuff appears. The whispers are just him being within range of TIM and the oilyness is him being controlled by TIM.

He doesn't make you doubt your plan to destroy them, in fact if you get your squaddies killed and suck at everything he just plan straight up gives you the option to destroy them if you did so to the Collector base.

The rest I left out because it's irrelevant. I can tell we're speaking from a different viewpoint here, you're speaking like the IT is a fact whereas I'm speaking from the viewpoint that it's just a theory. They've all but directly confirmed it's not true, the DLC will clarify it, as the IT theory being true would completely change their ending and they've already stated they're not doing that.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

Got a Batarian Sentinel...

Fuuuuuuu-

 

[ballin4life]

The main evidence against it is they'd never pull the rug out from under you and reveal that everything with TIM didn't actually happen and he's in fact still alive, and you'll have to have yet another confrontation with him. You probably could make a 20 minute long video of why everything after the start of ME2 is the afterlife with evidence if you looked hard enough too.

And if I recall correctly the codex states guns don't actually need to reload, the reload mechanism is actually just an instant cooldown thing, but if you don't do that your guns can break like Zaeed's.

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Plus if the indoctrination theory is true then there should be more gameplay because then you haven't really beaten the Reapers yet you've only made their attempt to indoctrinate you fail.

oh i don't think that bioware intended the indoctrination theory. i just think it's a MUCH better ending than assuming that what we saw was real. yes, even though that would mean you haven't really beaten the Reapers yet. because what we saw makes no sense, and the indoctrination theory makes sense with the rest of the game, even though it leaves the true resolution unfinished.

 

[Pluvia]

Lots of multiplayer changes:

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April 17, 2012
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Geth Pulse Rifle
- Damage increased from [21.9-27.4] to [24.1-30.1]
- Spare Ammo increased from [400-500] to [480-640]

Phaeston Assault Rifle
- Damage increased from [34.7-42.2] to [38.1-47.6]
- Spare Ammo increased from [300-375] to [350-450]
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.5-0.9] to [1.35-0.8]

Saber Assault Rifle
- Damage increased from [350.1-437.6] to [389.0-486.2]
- Spare Ammo increased from [40-50] to [40-56]

Revenant Assault Rifle
- Damage increased from [57.9-71.2] to [63.6-79.5]
- Spare Ammo increased from [300-375] to [360-480]
- Encumbrance decreased from [2.0-1.4] to [1.8-1.25]

Collector Assault Rifle
- Damage increased from [44.3-55.4] to [48.7-60.9]
- Spare Ammo increased from [280-350] to [308-392]
- Encumbrance decreased from [2.0-1.4] to [1.8-1.25]

Paladin Heavy Pistol
- Damage increased from [389.9-487.4] to [424.9-531.1]
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.5-0.9] to [1.25-0.7]
- Magazine Size decreased from 4 to 3
- Spare Ammo increased from [16-26] to [21-33]

Talon Heavy Pistol
- Damage increased from [86.5-108.1] to [93.7-117.1]
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.5-0.9] to [1.25-0.7]
- Spare Ammo increased from [24-34] to [24-36]

Arc Pistol
- Damage increased from [56.6-71.1] to [61.6-76.8]
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.5-0.9] to [1.25-0.7]

Shuriken SMG
- Damage increased from [33.6-42.1] to [38.7-48.3]
- Spare Ammo increased from [324-405] to [360-468]
- Encumbrance decreased from [0.5-0.2] to [0.45-0.2]

Tempest SMG
- Damage increased from [41.1-53.5] to [47.5-59.4]
- Spare Ammo increased from [350-437] to [400-500]
- Encumbrance decreased from [0.75-0.35] to [0.65-0.3]

Hornet SMG
- Damage increased from [46.1-57.6] to [53.7-67.2]
- Spare Ammo increased from [144-180] to [168-216]
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.0-0.5] to [0.85-0.45]

Locust SMG
- Damage increased from [30.1-39.3] to [34.3-42.8]
- Spare Ammo increased from [240-300] to [260-340]
- Encumbrance decreased from [0.75-0.35] to [0.65-0.3]

Hurricane SMG
- Damage increased from [72.5-90.6] to [83.3-104.1]
- Spare Ammo increased from [240-300] to [280-360]
- Encumbrance decreased from [1.0-0.5] to [0.85-0.45]

Geth SMG
- Damage increased from [13.9-17.4] to [16.1-20.1]
- Spare Ammo increased from [500-625] to [600-800]
- Encumbrance decreased from [0.75-0.35] to [0.65-0.3]

Wraith Shotgun
- Spare Ammo increased from [10-20] to [18-28]

Submission Net Power
- Base cooldown decreased from 12 to 10 seconds
- Projectile speed increased from 22.5 meters/sec to 27.5 meters/sec

Decoy, Combat Drone, Sentry Turret, and Geth Turret Powers
- Decreased the maximum number of enemies that will target them at the same time.

 

[Pikaville]

Hmmmmmm, I actually hadn't thought about the fact that if the ending realy is an indoctrination induced hallucination, that the reapers are acually still around.

I'm not sure that's the case though honestly.

 

[Pluvia]

Gets special pack: 3rd Geth Infiltrator.

Buys Resurgence pack: Krogan Sentinel and Geth SMG IV.



Edit:

Buy another one, Honet VII and Striker VI.

 

[O D I N]

I'm on my Geth SMG IX already.

I'm missing the Batarian Soldier.

Already have the Sentinel at Lights. >_>

Kishock is at V or VI.

Wouldn't mind more of the Striker.

Once I get the Soldier, I'm going back to Spectre Packs.

EDIT: Geth SMG with the Ammo mods is RIDICULOUS.

Never. STOP. SHOOTING.

 

[BirthNote]

Spoiler

Technically the whispers only start when Shepard approached Anderson, someone who is already being controlled, then as soon as TIM appears the oily stuff appears. The whispers are just him being within range of TIM and the oilyness is him being controlled by TIM.

Spoiler

So, despite being controlled by reapers everything in that scene is directly TIM's doing. Were the whispers and shadows in Shep's dreams also TIM? I dont think TIM was near Shepard when he sleeps in the Normandy. A reaper puppet can manipulate Shepard but the reapers can't. TIM must be more powerful, which is pretty ironic.

You could say that other indoctrinated characters, like Saren and the Collectors, are working in their own interests. The reapers have little to do with most of their actions. The Collectors simply liked humans.

Spoiler

He doesn't make you doubt your plan to destroy them, in fact if you get your squaddies killed and suck at everything he just plan straight up gives you the option to destroy them if you did so to the Collector base.

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He does imply that its bad and pointless, regardless of EMS. The other 2 are presented as better options, and we learn before that indoctrinated people seek to control them. Shepard survives the destroy option with a high enough EMS; that's already defying what the kid implied prior to this.

The rest I left out because it's irrelevant. I can tell we're speaking from a different viewpoint here, you're speaking like the IT is a fact whereas I'm speaking from the viewpoint that it's just a theory. They've all but directly confirmed it's not true, the DLC will clarify it, as the IT theory being true would completely change their ending and they've already stated they're not doing that.

I'm looking forward to the DLC. I'd like to see how these things factor into everything.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Those Multiplayer changes sound pretty nice. Oh, and I finally got a Krogan Soldier last night so now I have a reason to play Soldier class. I've been speccing him for Melee. Yeah, the Health/Shields are down more than my Sentinel but....DEATH TO ALL!

 

[Pluvia]

Spoiler

So, despite being controlled by reapers everything in that scene is directly TIM's doing. Were the whispers and shadows in Shep's dreams also TIM? I dont think TIM was near Shepard when he sleeps in the Normandy. A reaper puppet can manipulate Shepard but the reapers can't. TIM must be more powerful, which is pretty ironic.

Spoiler

TIM isn't being directly controlled by the Reapers, that's not how indoctrination works (well, not until the Husk stages) he's mearly doing their will, but I doubt they were even aware he was until just before they attacked Horizon. His implants gave him the ability to control his troops but the tech obviously backfired as all it did was speed up his indoctrination and the stuff he could do was crap compared to what the Reapers can. The dreams have nothing to do with that scene. Shepard never fell under indoctrination, it's even confirmed beforehand from Vendetta who disappears when an indoctrinated presence appears, and TIM wasn't more powerful, in fact he even admits it right before he blows his brains out.

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He does imply that its bad and pointless, regardless of EMS. The other 2 are presented as better options, and we learn before that indoctrinated people seek to control them. Shepard survives the destroy option with a high enough EMS; that's already defying what the kid implied prior to this.

Spoiler

He says it's pointless because the peace wont last, but he spends an equal amount of time detailing it as he does the other 2. I was surprised, I expected him to breifly gloss over it, but if you watch the ending he gives them all equal time. Shepard surviving doesn't defy what the kids said, as he only points out Shepard is partially synthetic, which is another way of saying your synthetic parts will be destroyed, whereas Shepard is also partially organic.

Anyway I'm getting bored. You are only setting yourself up for disappointment, the fact that you mentioned the dreams, something completely unrelated to the ending, shows that you believe the IT theory to be correct and that means we're effectively talking about two completely different things but in one argument.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Well, I kinda/mostly do too (with response to your last spoiler tag), but like I said before, I just am flat out saying "I'm going to until something official flat out comes and says it".

 

[Pluvia]

If the IT theory was real this is what would happen:

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The game would end without a resolution. Or, there would a whole section afterwards that you would only get if you had a high EMS and picked destroy, which would make that element of choice pointless as the other 2 endings aren't real. Upon getting it everything would play out near identical, Shepard would still be injured, TIM would have to be resolved and so would the Crucible. Now what to do with TIM? Make the 2nd biggest antagonist in the series get a quick anti-climactic end, or give him yet another 10 minute long scene.

Whatever the case you would basically be playing out everything you already did a few minutes ago, and then you'd end up at the Crucible. What does it do this time? Well most people seem to stumble when asked this, but the general wants are it to be a massive laser, which I assume means every Reaper would have to get in single file directly infront of it, or some sort of pulse that disables the Reapers weapons, shields and indoctrination tech. In otherwords a slow version of the destroy ending.

So if it were real you'd either have to leave everything unresolved or get a high EMS and pick destroy, replay everything again with slight differences, then pick destroy again. That's not a better ending, if people complained about their choices not mattering then they'll complain even louder once they realise they're getting railroaded into choosing one ending.

 

[O D I N]

http://www.reddit.com/r/MECoOp/comments/si8v2/murdertraining_201advanced_tactics_or_how_to/

Murdertrain guide 2.0 is up.

^__^

 

[LivewiresXe]

If the IT theory was real this is what would happen:

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The game would end without a resolution. Or, there would a whole section afterwards that you would only get if you had a high EMS and picked destroy, which would make that element of choice pointless as the other 2 endings aren't real. Upon getting it everything would play out near identical, Shepard would still be injured, TIM would have to be resolved and so would the Crucible. Now what to do with TIM? Make the 2nd biggest antagonist in the series get a quick anti-climactic end, or give him yet another 10 minute long scene.

Whatever the case you would basically be playing out everything you already did a few minutes ago, and then you'd end up at the Crucible. What does it do this time? Well most people seem to stumble when asked this, but the general wants are it to be a massive laser, which I assume means every Reaper would have to get in single file directly infront of it, or some sort of pulse that disables the Reapers weapons, shields and indoctrination tech. In otherwords a slow version of the destroy ending.

So if it were real you'd either have to leave everything unresolved or get a high EMS and pick destroy, replay everything again with slight differences, then pick destroy again. That's not a better ending, if people complained about their choices not mattering then they'll complain even louder once they realise they're getting railroaded into choosing one ending.

I'm pretty sure you know how I am well enough to know that's not going to do a damn thing to change my stance.

 

[BirthNote]

Spoiler

TIM isn't being directly controlled by the Reapers, that's not how indoctrination works (well, not until the Husk stages) he's mearly doing their will, but I doubt they were even aware he was until just before they attacked Horizon. His implants gave him the ability to control his troops but the tech obviously backfired as all it did was speed up his indoctrination and the stuff he could do was crap compared to what the Reapers can. The dreams have nothing to do with that scene. Shepard never fell under indoctrination, it's even confirmed beforehand from Vendetta who disappears when an indoctrinated presence appears, and TIM wasn't more powerful, in fact he even admits it right before he blows his brains out.

Spoiler

The thing is, Shepard's sole intention when speaking to the VI on Thessia was to destroy the reapers. TIM and Kai Leng think otherwise, but Vendetta's decription of why the Protheans failed and its defense protocols reaffirmed Shep, Liara and (insert squadmate here) that those 2 were indoctrinated. By the time we get to Cerberus HQ, Shep still believes that destruction is what needs to be done, and up until meeting the starchild, that's still the only goal. The option to change Shep's stance on how to deal with the reapers starts there. It would be very helpful if Vendetta could speak to him after the final choice is made. TIM and Kai Leng were completely indoctrinated compared to Shepard who fought to the end of the game.

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He says it's pointless because the peace wont last, but he spends an equal amount of time detailing it as he does the other 2. I was surprised, I expected him to breifly gloss over it, but if you watch the ending he gives them all equal time. Shepard surviving doesn't defy what the kids said, as he only points out Shepard is partially synthetic, which is another way of saying your synthetic parts will be destroyed, whereas Shepard is also partially organic.

Spoiler

But if those parts would be destroyed and that's what reanimated Shep, how could Shep survive without them?

Anyway I'm getting bored. You are only setting yourself up for disappointment, the fact that you mentioned the dreams, something completely unrelated to the ending, shows that you believe the IT theory to be correct and that means we're effectively talking about two completely different things but in one argument.

Spoiler

Its...not completely unrelated. The thing that's been on Shep's mind since leaving Earth manifesting as the reapers' leader is quite a coincidence. If that kid only appeared at the end, or if that holographic entity had used a different form then the dreams would have no connection to this.

And yes, I do believe it is, as I've said earlier, which means we are talking about two things in one argument.

I'll just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[Pluvia]

As with all people that come up with theories, they just change it to suit what happens. There's people that don't believe we landed on the moon, it's impossible to convince them otherwise, and the same goes for the IT. Vendetta pretty much disproves it,

Spoiler

TIM wasn't fully indoctrinated, hence him fighting against it and shooting himself in the head, but if a VI that can sense indoctrinated individuals isn't enough to convince people then nothing is.

The EC will come out and ruin the IT for the reasons I listed above, you really are just setting yourself up for disappointment, you shou

Anyway I want to talk about something more interesting now like multiplayer.

 

[Master Xanthan]

Speaking of multiplayer, I've been hearing some people say that the multiplayer is just Bioware's way of testing how much people like the multiplayer and that could determine how the future of the series turns out. Idk how I feel about that, I like the multiplayer, but the single player is what made this series. I cringe at the thought of this series jumping to MMO or even worse......FPS.

 

[sakuraZaKi]

I want the MURDERTRAIN.