Marth's Match-Up Chart thread

[t3h Icy]

Crimson, do you still have the compiled list of Marth match-up stuff?

 

[Archangel]

I would still say tec0 is probably right...

Either your fox is better at the sheik matchup than you give it credit for, Matt R is bad at fighting fox, you're not good at fighting sheik with marth, or he's really good at fighting marth...

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but generally at high level play you don't see that much of a difference due to character.

You raise a good point. Sometimes at a high level of play characters can make all the difference. Picture Axe(Pikachu) vs Amsah(Sheik). That just wouldn't be fair at all. LOL

Call me crazy but I don't feel like Sheik vs Fox is so bad for Sheik. It reminds me alot of Marth vs Falcon. Falcon may get his *** whooped bad if he's reckless but if he's smart economic with his attack he can do very very well vs Marth. I've seen sheik stomp Fox's before. Not talking about scrub fox's either.

 

[Teczer0]

You raise a good point. Sometimes at a high level of play characters can make all the difference. Picture Axe(Pikachu) vs Amsah(Sheik). That just wouldn't be fair at all. LOL

Call me crazy but I don't feel like Sheik vs Fox is so bad for Sheik. It reminds me alot of Marth vs Falcon. Falcon may get his *** whooped bad if he's reckless but if he's smart economic with his attack he can do very very well vs Marth. I've seen sheik stomp Fox's before. Not talking about scrub fox's either.

Some match ups yea, they can definitely tip the scale, especially in low tier characters.

Sheik vs Fox though is like I said before not THAT bad. Its not easy but its manageable.

I've beaten a few foxes to attest to this >_>

 

[Archangel]

Some match ups yea, they can definitely tip the scale, especially in low tier characters.

Sheik vs Fox though is like I said before not THAT bad. Its not easy but its manageable.

I've beaten a few foxes to attest to this >_>

I've won as sheik vs Fox. You gotta can't out pace a fox. you have to out space a fox.

 

[Druggedfox]

Sheik fox definitely is not that bad... it's fox's advantage, but I've never viewed fox as some "sheik counter". Sheik definitely has the tools to deal with him, which is why I feel that such small matchup advantages shouldn't have too great an effect. Something unfair would be like peach vs ICs, and I can definitely understand switching characters as the IC player... but for something like marth/sheik or fox/sheik... both disadvantaged characters have more than enough tools to deal with the matchup.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Just to let everyone know, im going to main sheik and peach just to **** over you **** marth mains

 

[Teczer0]

lolwut

Maaaaaaaaaan go peach on my marth =3

Or sheik pft terrible CP choices. Shoulda went Yoshi, that weird *** character >_<

 

[Niko45]

I agree with fox vs sheik being much closer than marth vs sheik. Marth/Sheik is definitely not the worst matchup in the game but...it's up there. At least among the competitive characters. I mean, it's not bad enough that a Marth main should ever lose to somebody's sheik secondary or something like that, but Marth main beating a Sheik main is a pretty major upset imo. I think its pretty common to find your BS Fox secondary naturally gives you better results than your Marth main does, which should be pretty telling.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

OK first update. The new data is in

THIS SPREADSHEET

please tell me if I interpreted your opinion incorrectly. Here goes...

vs.

pewpewU: 55-45
Tero: 55-45
Niko: 55-45
MalwareDie: 50-50
Overlord: 50-50
Crimson: 50-50
ICE: 50-50
Diakonos: 50-50
Spam-arrows: 50-50
No Cash: 50-50
Sveet: 50-50
booshk: 50-50
DruggedFox: 50-50
JBM: 50-50
AustinRC: 50-50
3 55-45s and 12 50-50s

Average: 51.00-49.00
rounds to...50-50 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

Tero: 60-40
AustinRC: 60-40
Crimson: 60-40
Overlord: 55-45
ICE: 55-45
Diakonos: 55-45
pewpewU: 55-45
MalwareDie: 55-45
Spam-arrows: 55-45
booshk: 55-45
No Cash: 50-50
Sveet: 50-50
DruggedFox: 50-50
Niko: 50-50
JBM: 50-50
3 60-40s, 7 55-45s, 5 50-50s

Average: 54.33-45.67
rounds to...55-45 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

Reneblade: 60-40
MalwareDie: 55-45
pewpewU: 55-45
NoCash: 55-45
Sveet: 55-45
DruggedFox: 55-45
cablepuff: 53-47
JBM: 50-50
Overlord: 50-50
Tero: 50-50
AustinRC: 45-55
booshk: 45-55
ICE: 45-55
Spam-arrows: 45-55
BlisteringSpeed: 40-60
Niko: 40-60
Diakonos: 40-60
1 60-40, 5 55-45s, 1 53-47, 3 50-50s, 4 45-55s, 3 40-60s

Average: 49.29-50.71
rounds to...50-50 (unchanged since last update)
NOTE: there seems to be absolutely no consensus on this match-up.

vs. :shiek:

Spam-arrows: 45-55
Sveet: 45-55
JBM: 45-55
Overlord: 45-55
cablepuff: 43-57
DruggedFox: 40-60
Bob$: 40-60
Tero: 40-60
ICE: 40-60
Diakonos: 40-60
booshk: 40-60
Crimson: 40-60
Rappster: 40-60
pewpewU: 40-60
AustinRC: 40-60
MalwareDie: 40-60
No Cash: 35-65
Niko: 35-65
4 45-55s, 1 43-57, 11 40-60s, 2 35-65s

Average: 40.72-59.28
rounds to...40-60 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

AustinRC: 65-35
Crimson: 60-40
Overlord: 60-40
ICE: 60-40
Diakonos: 60-40
Tero: 60-40
Armada: 60-40
pewpewU: 60-40
MalwareDie: 60-40
spam-arrows: 55-45
Sveet: 55-45
JBM: 55-45
1 65-35, 8 60-40s, 3 55-45s

Average: 59.17-40-83
rounds to...60-40 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

JBM: 55-45
DruggedFox: 55-45
Sveet: 50-50
Crimson: 50-50
spam-arrows: 50-50
cablepuff: 50-50
No Cash: 50-50
Diakonos: 50-50
booshk: 50-50
pewpewU: 50-50
MalwareDie: 50-50
AustinRC: 45-55
Tero: 45-55
ICE: 45-55
Overlord: 45-55
2 55-45, , 9 50-50s, 4 45-55s

Average: 49.33-50.67
rounds to...50-50 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

Overlord: 60-40
pewpewU: 60-40
Crimson: 60-40
spam-arrows: 55-45
ICE: 55-45
Diakonos: 55-45
Tero: 55-45
Sveet: 55-45
JBM: 55-45
MalwareDie: 55-45
AustinRC: 45-55
3 60-40s, 7 55-45s, 1 45-55

Average: 55.45-44.55
rounds to...55-45 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

Sveet: 60-40
Tero: 60-40
JBM: 55-45
Diakonos: 55-45
ICE: 55-45
Kage: 55-45
Crimson: 55-45
MalwareDie: 55-45
pewpewU: 55-45
AustinRC: 50-50
Overlord: 50-50
spam-arrows: 50-50
2 60-40, 7 55-45s, 3 50-50s

Average: 54.58-45.42
rounds to...55-45 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

No Cash: 70-30
Overlord: 65-35
Tero: 65-35
A Pimp Named Slickback: 65-35
Diakonos: 65-35
Crimson: 65-35
pewpewU: 65-35
AustinRC: 65-35
ICE: 60-40
spam-arrows: 60-40
Sveet: 60-40
JBM: 60-40
HugS: 60-40
MalwareDie: 60-40
1 70-30, 7 65-35s, 6 60-40s

Average: 63.21-36.79
rounds to...erm 65-35 barely; more accurately 62.5-37.5 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

vgmastarricky: 70-30
MalwareDie: 65-35
pewpewU: 65-35
No Cash: 65-35
Crimson: 62.5-37.5
Tero: 60-40
Diakonos: 60-40
ICE: 60-40
Overlord: 60-40
spam-arrows: 60-40
Sveet: 60-40
JBM: 60-40
AustinRC: 60-40
1 70-30, 3 65-35s, 1 62.5-37.5, 8 60-40s

Average: 62.12-37.88
rounds to...erm 60-40 barely; more accurately 62.5-37.5 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

pewpewU: 65-35
Diakonos: 65-35
Sveet: 65-35
Overlord: 65-35
Crimson: 62.5-37.5
Bob$: 60-40
Tero: 60-40
AustinRC: 60-40
MalwareDie: 60-40
spam-arrows: 55-45
6 65-35, 1 62.5-37.5, 4 60-40s, 1 55-45s

Average: 62.29-37.71
rounds to 60-40 barely; more accurately 62.5-37.5 (CHANGED FROM 60-40)

vs.

Sveet: 65-35
Overlord: 65-35
Diakonos: 65-35
pewpewU: 62.5-37.5
MalwareDie: 60-40
Tero: 60-40
Spam-arrows: 57.5-42.5
AustinRC: 55-45
Crimson: 55-45
ICE: 55-45
JBM: 55-45
3 65-35, 1 62.5-37.5, 2 60-40, 1 57.5-42.5, 4 55-45s

Average: 59.55-40.45
rounds to...60-40 (unchanged since last update)
NOTE: there seems to be very little consensus on this one

vs.

Sveet: 70-30
AustinRC: 65-35
Overlord: 65-35
MalwareDie: 60-40
Diakonos: 60-40
Crimson: 60-40
pewpewU: 60-40
spam-arrows: 55-45
1 70-30, 2 65-35s, 4 60-40s, 1 55-45

Average: 61.88-38.12
rounds to...60-40 barely; more accurately 62.5-37.5 (CHANGED FROM barely 65-35)

vs.

Crimson: 70-30
Sveet: 65-35
Overlord: 65-35
Diakonos: 65-35
AustinRC: 65-35
MalwareDie: 65-35
spam-arrows: 60-40
pewpewU: 60-40
1 70-30, 5 65-35s, 2 60-40s

Average: 64.38-35.63
rounds to...65-35 (unchanged since last update)

vs.

AustinRC: 70-30
Sveet: 60-40
MalwareDie: 60-40
Overlord: 55-45
Crimson: 55-45
Diakonos: 55-45
spam-arrows: 55-45
pewpewU: 55-45
1 70-30, 2 60-40s, 5 55-45s

Average: 58.12-41.88
rounds to...60-40 barely; more accurately 57.5-42.5. (CHANGED FROM 60-40)

vs.

Crimson: 70-30
MalwareDie: 70-30
Overlord: 70-30
Diakonos: 70-30
Overlord: 65-35
Sveet: 60-40
4 70-30s, 1 65-35, 1 60-40

Average: 67.5-32.5
rounds to...67.5-32.5 (CHANGED FROM 65-35)

vs. :mewtwo:

MalwareDie: 75-25
Crimson: 70-30
Diakonos: 70-30
Overlord: 70-30
Sveet: 65-35
1 75-25, 3 70-30s, 1 65-35

Average: 70-30
rounds to...70-30 (unchanged from last update)

vs.

AustinRC: 65-35
MalwareDie: 65-35
Crimson: 65-35
Overlord: 65-35
Diakonos: 65-35
Sveet: 65-35
spam-arrows: 62.5-37.5
pewpewU: 60-40
6 65-35, 1 62.5-37.5, 1 60-40

Average: 64.06-35.94
rounds to...65-35 (CHANGED FROM barely 60-40)

vs.

Crimson: 75-25
MalwareDie: 75-25
Diakonos: 75-25
Overlord: 70-30
Sveet: 60-40
3 75-25, 1 70-30, 1 60-40

Average: 71-29
rounds to...70-30 (unchanged from last update)

vs.

DruggedFox: 90-10
Crimson: 75-25
MalwareDie: 75-25
Diakonos: 70-30
Overlord: 70-30
Sveet: 65-35
1 90-10, 2 75-25, 2 70-30, 1 65-35

Average: 74.17-25.83
rounds to...75-25 (CHANGED FROM 70-30)
note: very little consensus

vs.

Crimson: 70-30
MalwareDie: 70-30
Overlord: 70-30
Diakonos: 65-35
Sveet: 60-40
3 70-30, 1 65-35, 1 60-40

Average: 67-33
rounds to...65-35 barely; more accurately 67.5-32.5 (CHANGED FROM 65-35)

vs.

Crimson: 100-0
MalwareDie: 85-15
Sveet: 80-20
Overlord: 70-30
Diakonos: 70-30
1 100-0, 1 85-15, 1 80-20, 2 70-30s

Average: 81-19
rounds to...80-20 (CHANGED FROM 85-15)

vs. ichu:

Crimson: 85-15
Diakonos: 80-20
MalwareDie: 80-20
Sveet: 75-25
Overlord: 70-30
1 85-15, 2 80-20s, 1 75-25, 1 70-30

Average: 78-22
rounds to...80-20 barely; more accurately 77.5-22.5 (CHANGED FROM 80-20)

vs.

Crimson: 85-15
MalwareDie: 85-15
Sveet: 80-20
Diakonos: 70-30
Overlord: 70-30
2 85-15, 1 80-20, 2 70-30s

Average: 78-22
rounds to...80-20 barely; more accurately 77.5-22.5 (CHANGED FROM 80-20)

vs.

MalwareDie: 80-20
Crimson: 75-25
Diakonos: 75-25
Overlord: 70-30
Sveet: 65-35
1 80-20, 2 75-25, 1 70-30, 1 65-35

Average: 73-27
rounds to...75-25 barely; more accurately 72.5-27.5 (CHANGED FROM 75-25)

CHANGES FROM LAST UPDATE:
vs. 60-40 barely; more accurately 62.5-37.5 (CHANGED FROM 60-40)
vs. 60-40 barely; more accurately 62.5-37.5 (CHANGED FROM barely 65-35)
vs. 60-40 barely; more accurately 57.5-42.5. (CHANGED FROM 60-40)
vs. 67.5-32.5 (CHANGED FROM 65-35)
vs. 65-35 (CHANGED FROM barely 60-40)
vs. 75-25 (CHANGED FROM 70-30)
vs. 65-35 barely; more accurately 67.5-32.5 (CHANGED FROM 65-35)
vs. 80-20 (CHANGED FROM 85-15)
vs. ichu: 80-20 barely; more accurately 77.5-22.5 (CHANGED FROM 80-20)
vs. 80-20 barely; more accurately 77.5-22.5 (CHANGED FROM 80-20)
vs. 75-25 barely; more accurately 72.5-27.5 (CHANGED FROM 75-25)



RAW AVERAGES:
vs. 51.00-49.00
vs. 54.33-45.67
vs. 49.29-50.71
vs. :shiek: 40.72-59.28
vs. 59.17-40-83
vs. 49.33-50.67
vs. 55.45-44.55
vs. 54.58-45.42
vs. 63.21-36.79
vs. 62.12-37.88
vs. 62.29-37.71
vs. 59.55-40.45
vs. 61.88-38.12
vs. 64.38-35.63
vs. 58.12-41.88
vs. 67.5-32.5
vs. :mewtwo: 70-30
vs. 64.06-35.94
vs. 71-29
vs. 74.17-25.83
vs. 67-33
vs. 81-19
vs. ichu: 78-22
vs. 78-22
vs. 73-27


AVERAGES ROUNDED:
vs. 50-50
vs. 55-45
vs. 50-50 note: very little consensus
vs. :shiek: 40-60
vs. 60-40
vs. 50-50
vs. 55-45
vs. 55-45
vs. 62.5-37.5
vs. 62.5-37.5
vs. 62.5-37.5
vs. 60-40 note: very little consensus
vs. 62.5-37.5
vs. 65-35
vs. 57.5-42.5
vs. 67.5-32.5
vs. :mewtwo: 70-30
vs. 65-35
vs. 70-30
vs. 75-25 note: very little consensus
vs. 67.5-32.5
vs. 80-20
vs. ichu: 77.5-22.5
vs. 77.5-22.5
vs. 72.5-27.5

Basically just low-tier changes. The high tiers are remarkably close to their averages now; most of them, other than jiggs, are near-consensus. Jiggs and Pikachu are two of the most controversial matchups, but despite their high variance, they are distributed in accordance to a normal distribution; their averages are pretty reliable. The low-tier matchups are tough to evaluate because of the varying standards people have when creating the numbers; some people are more willing to throw out 80-20s and 90-10s than others.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Oh pshhh Marth beats Kirby harder than that

 

[Druggedfox]

Oh pshhh Marth beats Kirby harder than that

I bet the kirby boards think that it's 55-45 marth's favor or something, knowing them

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Not to be picky, but im pretty sure i've never said marth vs falcon is in marth's favor. I've always said 45-55 or 50-50 (recently) but u have me on the list as 52.5-47.5

 

[t3h Icy]

God, I love you Crimson!

 

[OverLord]

I'm fine with the results

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Not to be picky, but im pretty sure i've never said marth vs falcon is in marth's favor. I've always said 45-55 or 50-50 (recently) but u have me on the list as 52.5-47.5

Sorry, was the below post sarcasm? I couldn't tell.

marth vs falcon 55:45 or even. I see marth's advantage now :D

 

[MalwareDie]

Mario: 65-35
Pikachu: 65-35
Luigi: 65-35
Donkey Kong: 65-35
Young Link: 65-35
Zelda: 70-30
Mewtwo: 70-30
Roy: 70-30
G&W: 70-30
Yoshi: 70-30
Bowser: 70-30
Pichu: 70-30
Ness: 70-30
Kirby: 70-30

Just wondering why you believe that these characters are just 5 points apart.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

meh it doesn't change the result anyways. my opinion kinda fluctuates. put me down as 50-50

 

[MalwareDie]

I bet the kirby boards think that it's 55-45 marth's favor or something, knowing them

Kirby boards think it is 65-35.

Wtf is Kirby supposed to do against a Marth that camps? Huge range advantage and Kirby can't just crouch because he will be ***** by D-Tilt.

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

meh it doesn't change the result anyways. my opinion kinda fluctuates. put me down as 50-50

Aight I changed it.

 

[OverLord]

Just wondering why you believe that these characters are just 5 points apart.

5 points are a huge difference.

Read it like:

55-60 slight advantage
60-65 big deal
65-70 huge advantage

I didn't put anything more than 70-30 'cause I don't think any character has such a great advantage against anyone, perhaps excluding Kirby and Mewtwo, that can be 80-20 in Marth's favor.

Plus, low tiers metagames are not developed enough, so no one can really tell, so I prefered a democratic 70-30 for everyone.

 

[VGmasta]

Yeah, but 62.5 - 37.5 for Marth vs Doc is a lil' off. People just don't know how to play gay vs Doc yet.

 

[MalwareDie]

I didn't put anything more than 70-30 'cause I don't think any character has such a great advantage against anyone, perhaps excluding Kirby and Mewtwo, that can be 80-20 in Marth's favor.

Well, this probably won't change your mind, but both the Fox players (Actually, just Unknown522) and Kirby players believe that Fox-Kirby is 100-0 for Fox.

 

[Archangel]

Well, this probably won't change your mind, but both the Fox players and Kirby players believe that Fox-Kirby is 100-0 for Fox.

LOL. Fox doesn't have 100-0 against anyone because he's got to high of hitstun. Every character can Chaingrab or gimp him or both. So it's unlikely 100% of the time he'll win.

 

[OverLord]

lol Malware I said in that post that can be exceptions..

I don't think that Kirby-Fox is 0-100 anyway, for the reasons SpamArrows said.
The fact is just that we got very little information about low tier characters, so it's not so smart putting a 100-0 blindly.

This doens't mean that Kirby is not terrible. Kirby is the worst hands down IMO.

 

[Roneblaster]

falcon v marth is not in falcons favor.

*the more you know music*

 

[MalwareDie]

I changed my number for Kirby to 90-10.

 

[Lordydennek]

Just wanted to ask some opinions on why you all think ylink vs marth is a 65.

i think its about a 60. maybe like a 57 lol

thoughts?

 

[Archangel]

Just wanted to ask some opinions on why you all think ylink vs marth is a 65.

i think its about a 60. maybe like a 57 lol

thoughts?

Even though all of this is mostly personal opinions based on experiences. Some things are generally excepted. If M2K Played the best Y.Link possible he would win at least that many times. However M2K'd skill so far isn't duplicable by any of us other marths.

With that said it's not needed. If you play serious vs young link he's at a pretty big disadvantage. I would say maybe 60-40 If the best possible y.Links played average/good marths. vs very good marth's with experience in the match-up and it's probably gonna be worse though.

 

[Lordydennek]

I see. and it largely depends on stage as well. I've been beating my friends marth's lately despite them being better than me at the game. on ys i get destroyed obviously but on dreamland and ps i usually win. sometimes on fod and fd. id agree with 60 40 tho.

 

[Divinokage]

Even though all of this is mostly personal opinions based on experiences. Some things are generally excepted. If M2K Played the best Y.Link possible he would win at least that many times. However M2K'd skill so far isn't duplicable by any of us other marths.

I wonder why that might be.. is it because people think it's impossible to acquire such a skill level? Or is it that people don't care enough to push forward?

 

[Archangel]

I wonder why that might be.. is it because people think it's impossible to acquire such a skill level? Or is it that people don't care enough to push forward?

No I think all of us want to get that good. We just aren't....yet. Wanting and achieving are 2 different things. Even though everyone who plays Marth is trying to get that good so far nobody is. There are a few closing in on it though. In a year I hope to be 1 of those. Specially since I'll probably be able to go to more tourney's starting 2011.

 

[Divinokage]

No I think all of us want to get that good. We just aren't....yet. Wanting and achieving are 2 different things. Even though everyone who plays Marth is trying to get that good so far nobody is. There are a few closing in on it though. In a year I hope to be 1 of those. Specially since I'll probably be able to go to more tourney's starting 2011.

Of course, achieving the top level is what we all want. However, there is only one place for number 1. =P

 

[Archangel]

Of course, achieving the top level is what we all want. However, there is only one place for number 1. =P

I agree. I want to achieve a top 10 level. I want to get to the point where I'm expected to place top 10 at any event. After that I wouldn't really care.

 

[Dart!]

Of course, achieving the top level is what we all want. However, there is only one place for number 1. =P

I agree. I want to achieve a top 10 level. I want to get to the point where I'm expected to place top 10 at any event. After that I wouldn't really care.

Well, i'ma start off with the MW since that's where i'm currently located. then i figured i'd try to move up from there...

 

[Druggedfox]

I agree. I want to achieve a top 10 level. I want to get to the point where I'm expected to place top 10 at any event. After that I wouldn't really care.

I want to be #1. I want to get to the point where I'm expected to place first at any event. After that I wouldn't really care.

?

And I wasn't making fun of what you said, that's seriously my goal.

 

[Archangel]

I've been playing this game for to long. The best players in regions and worlds have risen and fallen a few times in the time period I've been playing And it took me until recently to achieve mediocre status. Though it would be nice I'm not so prideful that I can't admit to myself I'm not as naturally talented at this game as some others. All excuses aside There are people simply better suited to get good at this game then me. However I'd feel like the time I've invested would be waisted to quit. So I'm more or less just playing this game In the same sense that ghosts can't move on. It's not because they enjoy being ghosts but their is something they left unfinished in this world. I would forever feel like a ghost in the smash world if I gave up. I can be satisfied placing top 10 at a Major event like a ROM or Genesis 2/3 or Pound 5 or something like that. Along the way I'd also like to be apart of a historical set. Like PC vs Ken, Mango vs Mew2King, Mew2King vs Armada....something that is remembered forever in the community. Then I'll leave rather I'm the best player or not.

Either way I'm not sure how long It will take before I can achieve that. I'm also aware that Melee won't be around forever so I'm running out of time fast.

 

[Divinokage]

I want to be #1. I want to get to the point where I'm expected to place first at any event. After that I wouldn't really care.

?

And I wasn't making fun of what you said, that's seriously my goal.

Oh? That is a really good goal. However, if you do get high enough level.. you must defeat the warrior to win. I'm not letting you get past me so easily. =P Perhaps you'll become a worthy rival! I'd like to play you sometime.

I've been playing this game for to long. The best players in regions and worlds have risen and fallen a few times in the time period I've been playing And it took me until recently to achieve mediocre status. Though it would be nice I'm not so prideful that I can't admit to myself I'm not as naturally talented at this game as some others. All excuses aside There are people simply better suited to get good at this game then me. However I'd feel like the time I've invested would be waisted to quit. So I'm more or less just playing this game In the same sense that ghosts can't move on. It's not because they enjoy being ghosts but their is something they left unfinished in this world. I would forever feel like a ghost in the smash world if I gave up. I can be satisfied placing top 10 at a Major event like a ROM or Genesis 2/3 or Pound 5 or something like that. Along the way I'd also like to be apart of a historical set. Like PC vs Ken, Mango vs Mew2King, Mew2King vs Armada....something that is remembered forever in the community. Then I'll leave rather I'm the best player or not.

Either way I'm not sure how long It will take before I can achieve that. I'm also aware that Melee won't be around forever so I'm running out of time fast.

Umm... anyone is suited for a fighting game if they put their mind to it. It's a choice you consciously made that you want to be better at melee and that's perfectly fine. If you want to crush everybody then you have to reduce your weaknesses so that no one can exploit anything from you anymore. Anything even mental stability is important.. if the opponent sees you get aggravated because you are losing then already that's a weakness. (I'm just saying this in general)

Though there is something I wonder a lot.. could it be true that some people no matter how hard they try, they won't be able to reach the top level? Or is it because they don't fight for the right reasons more often than not? I mean in every ranking for 1st, 2nd, 3rd.. there is always only one place for 1st, 2nd or 3rd so.. It's definitely not everyone that can get 1st place all the time or any top 10 rankings. Can people reach plateaus of skill level? Or do we have infinite/limited potential? I know everyone can improve but some improve faster than others... could it also be because they are more aligned/have more love with fighting games which allows them to push the normal limits?

Also I understand what you mean by you don't want to be a ghost. I'm sure most of us want to feel loved and you want to have the attention/become respected when you have put so much time into a game and then you get to showcase your skills to thousands of people. Melee is more than just a game.. it's a part of your life. So you do not want disappear and be forgotten. You want to put a mark on your conquest. I understand fully. =P

RoM 2 was probably the happiest day of my life when I achieved the impossible goal I set myself.

 

[Archangel]

Oh? That is a really good goal. However, if you do get high enough level.. you must defeat the warrior to win. I'm not letting you get past me so easily. =P Perhaps you'll become a worthy rival! I'd like to play you sometime.



Umm... anyone is suited for a fighting game if they put their mind to it. It's a choice you consciously made that you want to be better at melee and that's perfectly fine. If you want to crush everybody then you have to reduce your weaknesses so that no one can exploit anything from you anymore. Anything even mental stability is important.. if the opponent sees you get aggravated because you are losing then already that's a weakness. (I'm just saying this in general)

Though there is something I wonder a lot.. could it be true that some people no matter how hard they try, they won't be able to reach the top level? Or is it because they don't fight for the right reasons more often than not? I mean in every ranking for 1st, 2nd, 3rd.. there is always only one place for 1st, 2nd or 3rd so.. It's definitely not everyone that can get 1st place all the time or any top 10 rankings. Can people reach plateaus of skill level? Or do we have infinite/limited potential? I know everyone can improve but some improve faster than others... could it also be because they are more aligned/have more love with fighting games which allows them to push the normal limits?

Also I understand what you mean by you don't want to be a ghost. I'm sure most of us want to feel loved and you want to have the attention/become respected when you have put so much time into a game and then you get to showcase your skills to thousands of people. Melee is more than just a game.. it's a part of your life. So you do not want disappear and be forgotten. You want to put a mark on your conquest. I understand fully. =P

RoM 2 was probably the happiest day of my life when I achieved the impossible goal I set myself.

Kage The Warrior! Inspirational Speaker!

In all seriousness now I could deny all your saying but it's hella true. Pretty much read me like a children's book.

 

[OverLord]

<3 Kage <3

 

[otg]

Whoa whoa whoa, some of you think MARTH has the adv, in Sheik vs. Marth? And the average consensus is 50-50 as well?????




Do people even play this game or do we just spend all day watching vids and playing theory fighter?