3xSwords
Smash Lord
Alright thanks for clearing that up. I'm kinda finding it ironic that the best attacks on shields are untipper hits >_>
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Marth Frame Data
- Thread starter Steel
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Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
Eh, not that it matters all that much, but Charizard's comes out on Frame 5. Zelda's is Frame 6, which means avoidable, so as long as you push her away and don't spotdodge poorly, it shouldn't hit.
+1 post in Marth board.
3xSwords
Smash Lord
For Charizard I'm going to bet my money that the initial hitbox will miss Marth, that and people really don't u-smash OoS that often. Or I haven't seen too much of it.
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
It'll probably miss. Depends on positioning... and yeah, Usmash OoS is definitely something I use (with those two characters at least).
Pierce7d
Wise Hermit
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Okay, read the argument on Shaya and Junk. You two shouldn't fight, since you do both know your **** pretty well.
In retrospect I'll say Junk is right that I do NOT use first hit Nair, and that I do NOT think I'm as good as other people think I am. I think I still have quite a while to go
I also think First hit Nair should not be used stupidly often, but perhaps as a mix-up that I'll try reincorperating into my game. I've been obsessed with Uair and Shieldbreaker. Shieldbreaker is Marth's most underused move by a lot.
Also, Platform camping is stupid, you were right Junk. It's mad good. I broke my opponent's shield by Fair camping them when they trying to approach me on a platform on Lylat, and then killed them with fully charged tipper reverse Fsmash (to hit them off the platform above me). It was some sexy shiz.
In retrospect I'll say Junk is right that I do NOT use first hit Nair, and that I do NOT think I'm as good as other people think I am. I think I still have quite a while to go
I also think First hit Nair should not be used stupidly often, but perhaps as a mix-up that I'll try reincorperating into my game. I've been obsessed with Uair and Shieldbreaker. Shieldbreaker is Marth's most underused move by a lot.
Also, Platform camping is stupid, you were right Junk. It's mad good. I broke my opponent's shield by Fair camping them when they trying to approach me on a platform on Lylat, and then killed them with fully charged tipper reverse Fsmash (to hit them off the platform above me). It was some sexy shiz.
∫unk
Smash Master
Wow Dan you've grown <3 much respect for you.
I have nothing against Shaya. I just fight fire with stronger fire to prove a point
He's a pretty good Marth but no one qualifies to have attitude.There's an old Buddhist saying... admitting weakness is the first step to gaining strength. I'm always re-examining my own game as I'm sure you are too.
This thread is cool but there's some potential top Marth's in this thread that should post less and play more :D
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
I know but my Wii's broken so I can't.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Oh man! That sucks. I don't know what i'd do if my wii broke.
i think you're just mad you lost the race to 1k posts a few months ago.
I have nothing against you either.Wow Dan you've grown <3 much respect for you.
I have nothing against Shaya. I just fight fire with stronger fire to prove a point
There's an old Buddhist saying... admitting weakness is the first step to gaining strength. I'm always re-examining my own game as I'm sure you are too.
This thread is cool but there's some potential top Marth's in this thread that should post less and play more :D
I think the biggest misunderstanding was that I was coming from the side who (yes, there's always the chance I could have gotten it wrong, etc etc, and I'd be the first to openly admit my mistake if something came up otherwise) had extensively tested so so many things relating to first hit of nair. Also, talking about fire, yes you fought with strong fire ;_; I fought with the power of love!
Anyway, I am mostly interested in the uairs, was I correct in reading in saying that untippered have 20 frames of hitstun? As in enough to throw in a bloody tippered nair that is Marth's most powerful aerial? And considering how **** untippered uair is... that's sexy.
P.S. I'll race to 1500 posts. I'll just spam up the smash64 boards with awesome metagame ness tactics.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Shaya I'll race you to 1500 posts. Or 2000.
maybe if you start from 0 I'll stand a chance.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Lol, that might work. Jk.
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Hey solid, next one to get to 500 posts wins xD.
¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯
Smash Legend
Winner! What do I win?
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Toaster oven. Duh! lol jk
Dash attack is such a bad move I forgot to do frame data on it >_>
I'll get to it soon.
I'll get to it soon.
3xSwords
Smash Lord
lol... while you are at it can you get the spot dodge, roll, shield, unshield, and air dodge frame data too? I just want to know if you get the same results as Ankoku.
bludhoundz
Smash Ace
Not to put any more on your plate Steel...
But do you have the frame data for the getting up animations (roll either way, stand up, get up attack) and ledge options (attack, stand, roll, jump)?
But do you have the frame data for the getting up animations (roll either way, stand up, get up attack) and ledge options (attack, stand, roll, jump)?
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
dash attack isn't a bad move (grab release on some characters but only for grab realease lol)
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
I cant remember the last time i did dash attack on purpose >.>
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
bump, added stuff
3xSwords
Smash Lord
Marth's spot dodge blows
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
wow. rolling back is actually better than rolling forward.
but you shouldn't roll at all.
but you shouldn't roll at all.
Why not? just don't roll stupidly
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
I believe that under the stress of the battle, ppl roll stupidly a bit. then they get punished.
i think that marth can get around fine without rolling.
but thats just me. You guys are the experts.
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Rolling isnt bad...as long as u dont use it as ur primary movement (I've seen complete-noobs do this and my eyes bleed). Why roll when u have awesome walking speed?
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Dr. Grandpa
Smash Ace
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Precisely. Read!!!
ZHMT
Smash Lord
I like walking.... *looks at Lucario's roll* sigh...
Ok Im exaggerating but I roll as much as a I dsmash...not that much. Walking kinda ***** rolling.
Anyways good stuff Steel.
Ok Im exaggerating but I roll as much as a I dsmash...not that much. Walking kinda ***** rolling.
Anyways good stuff Steel.
Pro sticky is pro.
GRogErEN24
Smash Cadet
not trying to be a d*** or anything
im just curious on the frame data on Marth's grab attack, tumble attack/get up/roll dodge and Marth's ledge attack/get up/jump/roll dodge on both over and under 100%. i think it would be useful to get this frame data. btw how do you collect frame data? i never understood how.
im just curious on the frame data on Marth's grab attack, tumble attack/get up/roll dodge and Marth's ledge attack/get up/jump/roll dodge on both over and under 100%. i think it would be useful to get this frame data. btw how do you collect frame data? i never understood how.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
I think it was said earlier in the topic. Basically you use a 60fps video camera, upload to a computer and look at the video frame by frame.
Anyways, I believe roll dodge forward and backwards have been covered, but I guess it's true that we don't have the frame data for most of Marth's ledge options. lol poor steel.
I don't even put it on my computer, it screws up the frames. I just do it right off my camera
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
i measure frames with my eyes only
GRogErEN24
Smash Cadet
sounds like too much work
. i mean the roll dodge out of his tumble animation and the roll dodge getting up from the ledge.
Hype
Smash Lord
That complicates things
feardragon64
Smash Champion
Not really >>
It hardly has any impact. 3 frame difference in frame advantage between completely fresh and completely stale(that's using it 9 times). That's about how much we give for the best of the best human reaction time. Actually still less.
Besides, that has always been there. It doesn't change much >>