Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
Thats nice.
Steel made a formula.
Steel made a formula.
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Marth Frame Data
- Thread starter Steel
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I got it from Ankoku. I'm unsure if he made it or if someone else did.
I made it because the formula is derived from common sense. >_>
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Greatest profile name ever. Bowyer sucks lol. And does anybody have a 60 fps camera??
∫unk
Smash Master
no waii measure frames with my eyes only
Coda
Smash Cadet
Dash grab and pivot grab should be added? unless they are just the exact same as normal grabbing
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Range goes in this order...
Dash grab = Shortest and Laggier.
Standing grab = Good.
Pivot grab = Best.
I dont know the actual measurements, but they definitely arent the same.
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Accidental double post, wtf...
Levitas
the moon
One frame can and does make a difference consistently. DDD vs DK.
Also, marth is one of the best at taking advantage of this. DS.
Zodac
Smash Journeyman
so, neutral air owns and counter isn't instant.
I'll use more neutral airs from now on, i already perfected counter.
I'll use more neutral airs from now on, i already perfected counter.
3GOD
Smash Ace
I guess you just looked at when Marth blinked to determine this?
You really need to test invincibility with hitboxes (use ZSS' jab to test the front end and G&W's Fsmash to test the back end). Here is the correct data...
Spot Dodge:
Total: 24
Invincible frames 2 – 20
Roll Backward:
Total: 35
Invincible frames 4 – 23
Roll Forward:
Total: 35
Invincible frames 4 – 19
Air Dodge:
Total: 49
Invincible frames 5 – 30
ZHMT
Smash Lord
Im hoping your right, cause I want a better spot dodge lmao.
Thank you sir.
∫unk
Smash Master
*takes away Cyan*
_Kadaj_
Smash Hero
you guys..............................
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
1st: Steel, ur so lucky, I wish I had the cyan (it would fit with my name)
2nd: Good work, It's always nice to see this stuff. I like the formulas as well.
2nd: Good work, It's always nice to see this stuff. I like the formulas as well.
The cyan looks so sexy on me though.
And I'd imagine you will get in in the next wave or two.
And I'd imagine you will get in in the next wave or two.
∫unk
Smash Master
I helped Steel get Cyan
Let the conspiracy begin
Let the conspiracy begin
Pierce7d
Wise Hermit
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This is the first time I've actually considered changing my name to Cyan, lol.
Good shiz with the dodge data
Good shiz with the dodge data
<--c wat i did thar
Exp0
Smash Rookie
Steel2nd, you are probably the most biggest contirbutor to the Marth forums =].
Thanks for yet again, ANOTHER great post.
Thanks for yet again, ANOTHER great post.
WeLikeIke
Smash Cadet
Um... may I suggest adding a mini-guide to the first post so dummies like me can understand what "ADVANTAGE -19" means (among other things)?
Then tell us exactly what advantage means.
Villi
Smash Lord
Jab
Hit: 4
End: 35
IASA: 27
Shield Stun: 6
~Shield Hit Lag: 3
ADVANTAGE: -20
Tipper Shield Stun: 8
~Shield Hit Lag: 8
ADVANTAGE: -23
Jab lasts for 27 frames before you can act again. A non-tipper jab hits a shield on frame 4. There are 23 frames left of uninterruptable animation left for Marth's jab. The person in the shield suffers from 6 frames of shield stun while Marth suffers from 3 frames of shield hit lag. The shielder is stunned for 6 frames, while Marth lags for 3 frames, so that adds up to + 3 for Marth's advantage. After this, Marth's jab has 20 frames of uninterruptable animation left (during shield hit-lag, Marth is frozen in place for 3 frames). Marth ends up with a -20 advantage after jabbing a shield, meaning the opponent has 20 frames (1/3 of a second)to react while Marth waits out his jab lag.
Hit: 4
End: 35
IASA: 27
Shield Stun: 6
~Shield Hit Lag: 3
ADVANTAGE: -20
Tipper Shield Stun: 8
~Shield Hit Lag: 8
ADVANTAGE: -23
Jab lasts for 27 frames before you can act again. A non-tipper jab hits a shield on frame 4. There are 23 frames left of uninterruptable animation left for Marth's jab. The person in the shield suffers from 6 frames of shield stun while Marth suffers from 3 frames of shield hit lag. The shielder is stunned for 6 frames, while Marth lags for 3 frames, so that adds up to + 3 for Marth's advantage. After this, Marth's jab has 20 frames of uninterruptable animation left (during shield hit-lag, Marth is frozen in place for 3 frames). Marth ends up with a -20 advantage after jabbing a shield, meaning the opponent has 20 frames (1/3 of a second)to react while Marth waits out his jab lag.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Thanks for explaining advantage and the general summary, even though i think we knew that (i should hope 0.o)
Its a very nice format though =]
Its a very nice format though =]
Villi
Smash Lord
Ah :], I just thought I'd explain for the guy who asked.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
this is helpful, to clarify what it looks like when it transitions to practice.
Warning:
Jab:
Hit 4-9
Jab 2:
Hit: 25-30
Fsmash: Hit 10-13
Jab:
Hit 4-9
Jab 2:
Hit: 25-30
Fsmash: Hit 10-13
thanks shaya
get your australian out of my thread
get your australian out of my thread
Do you want me to go through frame by frame with a microphone steel?
y a
A lot of your frame data is ambiguous/wrong...
If IASA of Dtilt is frame 21 (i.e. frame 1 of any other action is 22), then why do you have end frames of many moves 1 frame later? Unless this was an error in your data collection, in this case, there are quite a few holes.
i.e. DB1 'IASA' is 29, frame 1 of any other action can be 30. Fair is 33. etc etc.
Also,
Marth's bair has "Zero lag" from frame 31.
Marth's dair has "Zero Lag" from I presume frame 45/46 (getting people to land on the ground at the right times are irritating).
Marth has 2 frames of landing lag from a short hop.
Marth has 4 frames of landing lag from a full hop.
Marth's jump has 5 frame start up.
Input on frame 5 is ignored.
From frame 1-4:
Any up smash or up b cancels the jump.
Any aerial can be buffered.
Also (lol)
Dolphin Slash has 3 frames hit lag, 10 frames shield stun.
You have frames 1-3 of dolphin slash to do a turn around.
Also, I've already told you that untippered dtilt's frame advantage is -9
If IASA of Dtilt is frame 21 (i.e. frame 1 of any other action is 22), then why do you have end frames of many moves 1 frame later? Unless this was an error in your data collection, in this case, there are quite a few holes.
i.e. DB1 'IASA' is 29, frame 1 of any other action can be 30. Fair is 33. etc etc.
Also,
Marth's bair has "Zero lag" from frame 31.
Marth's dair has "Zero Lag" from I presume frame 45/46 (getting people to land on the ground at the right times are irritating).
Marth has 2 frames of landing lag from a short hop.
Marth has 4 frames of landing lag from a full hop.
Marth's jump has 5 frame start up.
Input on frame 5 is ignored.
From frame 1-4:
Any up smash or up b cancels the jump.
Any aerial can be buffered.
Also (lol)
Dolphin Slash has 3 frames hit lag, 10 frames shield stun.
You have frames 1-3 of dolphin slash to do a turn around.
Also, I've already told you that untippered dtilt's frame advantage is -9
1 frame off for the end frame? It's a matter of data interpretation.
Then you interpretated data in one way for most things, and interpretated it another for IASA frames.
IASA and "END" pretty much mean the same thing... (In brawl at least).
IASA and "END" pretty much mean the same thing... (In brawl at least).
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
people are saying that fair starts in 3 frames.
You might want to clarify those who come your way in that (lol dispute over 1 frame difference).
You might want to clarify those who come your way in that (lol dispute over 1 frame difference).
multiple peoples' tests says its 4.
It's definitely 4.