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[∫unk]

So just to clear up the answer to my question, they are chaingrabs, correct? Even if you can only get 2-4 throws?

Yes.

It's being able to avoid these kind of mind games the majority of the time that makes players even better, IMO... i.e. to say, I've never found somebody who uses mindgames to charge smash attacks and get very far in a tourney... Not to say it isn't useful, either. xP

Anyway, back to teh question^^

That's cause they're not using mindgames they're just charging smashes. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. There's videos of great players getting off charge smashes on each other.

 

[Pr0phetic]

So just to clear up the answer to my question, they are chaingrabs, correct? Even if you can only get 2-4 throws?



It's being able to avoid these kind of mind games the majority of the time that makes players even better, IMO... i.e. to say, I've never found somebody who uses mindgames to charge smash attacks and get very far in a tourney... Not to say it isn't useful, either. xP

Anyway, back to teh question^^

Yes he has a chain grab nonetheless. And then you should watch some more vids, if you can successfully predict your opponent, charged smashes can be easily used, however sparringly.

 

[takeurlife2]

so apparently mike haze can grab falco out of his sideB

anyone know what frame this is on? or like, what part of the animation you grab on? this can make the matchup MUCH easier, seeing as 99% of the damage i get from falco is from phantasm.

or anyone have tips on timing the jab that interrupts phantasm? i get it only around 40% of the time -.-

 

[Pr0phetic]

It'd take some testing and re-watching the vid, what match is it Take?

 

[Shaya]

Perhaps an on the spot pivot grab?

 

[takeurlife2]

It'd take some testing and re-watching the vid, what match is it Take?

i havent found a vid, sethlon told me about it from when he travelled to cali recently.

all i know is he grabbed seth in the middle of phantasm, not the beginning before it starts, and not at the end after falco starts falling.

 

[Pr0phetic]

Ight ima try it today, maybe he perfect shielded the phantasm, and he grabbed him.

 

[ZHMT]

I assume whoever grabs, will take the phantasm damage and then the grab will occur? Similar if you grab while your being hit by a move on the same frame.

Phantasm has poor priority and grabs have insane priority, so it must of been just timing and experience.

 

[feardragon64]

I assume whoever grabs, will take the phantasm damage and then the grab will occur? Similar if you grab while your being hit by a move on the same frame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TaJd8uwWg
0:25. Marth doesn't take any damage. But I would guess it's because grab range extends out beyond your hurtbox where as phantasm your hitbox is pretty much your hurtbox. So basically, you're grabbing them with insane timing before they touch you >>

 

[ZHMT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TaJd8uwWg
0:25. Marth doesn't take any damage. But I would guess it's because grab range extends out beyond your hurtbox where as phantasm your hitbox is pretty much your hurtbox. So basically, you're grabbing them with insane timing before they touch you >>

I call hax.

 

[ChaosKnight]

its not too hard xD it was harder in melee

 

[∫unk]

im pretty sure haze learned it from larry

http://www.getyourtournament.com/multimedia/2008/12/scsa-first-final-dehf-vs-sk92-round-2.html

first stock

 

[Denzi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4TaJd8uwWg
0:25. Marth doesn't take any damage. But I would guess it's because grab range extends out beyond your hurtbox where as phantasm your hitbox is pretty much your hurtbox. So basically, you're grabbing them with insane timing before they touch you >>

It's not your grab range that allows you to grab Falco. Any character can do it, it just: 1. requires pretty much exact timing and 2. has to be during the seccond half of the Phantasm (iirc).

Just so you know, if you're on the very edge and you GR falco as you would a Snake, it's a gaurenteed kill as long as you time your ledgehog correctly.

 

[J4pu]

way to give away falco secrets

 

[Pr0phetic]

way to give away falco secrets

Falco is not safe, pivot grabbing, boost smash, gatling combo, all useless.

 

[Shaya]

But on the other hand, fthrow to fthrow to nair to usmash to fair on falco is so useful that the matchup should be like 90:10 in Marth's favour. Screw the dair crap.

LOL10AIRDODGES.

 

[Steel]

shaya combo 2.0?

 

[_Kadaj_]

is that even 100 percent guaranteed?

shaya trying to out do my kadaj combos

 

[Steel]

kadaj just stop posting

srsly

 

[ZHMT]

is that even 100 percent guaranteed?

shaya trying to out do my kadaj combos

Sorry to end the party but...Kadaj, your combo (fthrow to nair to fsmash?) was done by Royr like way before you started talking about it. I MIGHT AND PROBABLY AM WRONG, but w/e.

 

[_Kadaj_]

I've done it since the game came out.

steel im sad now

 

[ZHMT]

I've done it since the game came out.

steel im sad now

Oh lulz, (continues plotting trying to find out who did it first)

 

[Shaya]

Actually the real Shaya 2.0 Combo ala Falco is

Fthrow to fftipfair to fftipuair to upsmash: 47%

Fthrow to nair isn't real on falco.

it's pretty sexy, try it.

 

[_Kadaj_]

i'll have to look into it

 

[Pierce7d]

If you FF a fair, you can't also combo a FFUair, ever, on any character at any percent. Course, if your opponent doesn't DI/still gets hit by it, it's glorious.

 

[Shaya]

If you FF a fair, you can't also combo a FFUair, ever, on any character at any percent. Course, if your opponent doesn't DI/still gets hit by it, it's glorious.

True. But when has there ever been any 3 or more move combos that aren't related to tripping?

The main goal is to get the uair to upsmash, which is 30%. Marth's most reliable ways to force something like this at low percents is via throwing + good reading.

And ughh I didnt mean ff fair. You're doing the upair before you reach the ground straight after the fair.

 

[Pierce7d]

True. But when has there ever been any 3 or more move combos that aren't related to tripping?

The main goal is to get the uair to upsmash, which is 30%. Marth's most reliable ways to force something like this at low percents is via throwing + good reading.

And ughh I didnt mean ff fair. You're doing the upair before you reach the ground straight after the fair.

In that case, you're talking about something I attempt every once in a while. As you probably know, I'm very fond of Fair to Uair, and just auto-canceled Uair in general.

 

[Oddler]

I don't main Marth and like to spam the boards.

 

[Shockdrake]

EDIT: Wow, I definitely thought I was in the Q&A thread.

 

[jibbyjaont]

Sorry if this has been answered, but is footstool to spike a reliable tactic?

EDIT: Lol I thought I was in the Q&A section too.

 

[Bakithi]

Very nice guide. I shall recommend this to all my friends who want to start using Marth... I'm a step closer to being a good Marth user, thanks to you, Shaya. :D

 

[BBoyindo]

But as a newbie you should read them (this for example)

You should link to the newer version of Marth guides.

 

[Shaya]

You should link to the newer version of Marth guides.

ta'

10australiacolloquialisms

 

[BBoyindo]

ta'

10australiacolloquialisms

No idea what you meant by that, but it's changed now so i'm

 

[OmegaXF]

Actually the real Shaya 2.0 Combo ala Falco is

Fthrow to fftipfair to fftipuair to upsmash: 47%

Fthrow to nair isn't real on falco.

it's pretty sexy, try it.

Shaya your combos become more sexier each and every time they are remodified xD

 

[Lenvil]

ok in this video it looked like marth shifted forward a little bit. i happens when the video is at 28 seconds can someone tell me how to do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs2r-KhXsmU

 

[Remzi]

Shaya, I beg you to add a fugging mini-guide on how to spike with Marth. I'm so sick of those topics.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Is there a way to DS OoS with tap jump off?

 

[Yoshi-Kirby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpRf3s53TPc

Can Marth counter wind, cuz in my vid here, he counters Ness's PSI Magnet somehow.

 

[Remzi]

Is there a way to DS OoS with tap jump off?

Yes, just tap the jump button before pressing Up B.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpRf3s53TPc

Can Marth counter wind, cuz in my vid here, he counters Ness's PSI Magnet somehow.

Yea, and if you counter a windbox without making contact with the opponent you give them the stun jacket. There should a be a thread about that somewhere.