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Sheik > Marth > Jiggz > Falco > Fox (imo) > Sheik
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No one's calling him a bad player. Everyone just hates the way he plays... cuz it's so gay. Can't blame him for playing that way, cuz it helps him win. But it IS gay and makes people not enjoy watching him play.hey yo guys
stop hating
stop disrespecting hbox
hbox is crazy good and anyone who says otherwise can suck it. show him some love for being such an amazing player.
Yikes... VERY predictable? Her superior aerial mobility sure pave the way for a lot of mindgames...her move set is very predictable.
You brought up a LOT of good points... but slow movement speed? I guess. If you want to call her movement speed slow, imo you'd have to agree that her agility (while in the air) is nothing short of godly when compared to the rest of the cast. Mango and Hbox spend a lot of time in the air... and yes, they do have excellent spacing.2.Jiggly Puffs approach game is horrible
If you have a lead on jigglypuff she must go after you. So many players do not exploit jigglys slow movement speed. Jiggly wins by capitalizing off mistakes and poor decisions.
If you approach Puff the chances of you making a mistake rise considerably. I'm not saying Never approach Jiggs, but players need to exploit jiggs weak approach game.
^This is what i have been saying all the time!I think she is equal with Peach, maybe a little better than Falcon.
1) Mango is one of, if not THE smartest player this game has ever had. His main character is based on subtle movement deceptions and luring the opponent into range even though Puff doesn't always have the range or movement advantage.
2) People drastically underrate HBox and insult his playstyle without bothering to realize how good he is, or that he's basically playing Puff like M2K played Marth. Then again, M2K got criticized for having a "gay" playstyle too and nobody cheers for him either. That leads me to believe people don't give two ****s about how GENUINELY good you are unless you're a walking combo video. Otherwise you're just "gay."
Maybe I'm biased because people did the same thing to me every time I won a tournament? Every time I did something people thought was "stupid," "gay," "unfair," "broken," etc., people told me my character didn't even belong in the game. You know what that sounds like? JOHNS. ICs, not even seventh best, and they're broken and stupid and unfair. Jigglypuff couldn't even touch the top spots of a tournament because of Fox, Marth, and Sheik. Now she's broken? In the hands of two players who are smarter and more precise than everybody else? Johns.
For starters, by insulting a character you do a disservice to the player--stop being so **** disrespectful. Second, you start johning about the character, you fail to see what it is that makes these two guys so good, and you're blinding yourself. Players who do that will NEVER reach the top.
Most situations in this game--when the players have equal tech skill, spacing, game knowledge--come down simply to prediction and making the right call. If one player is smarter than the other and makes good calls 9/10 times, it will look like the character is unbeatable, and will be indistinguishable from . But really? Mango can just see through everybody and HBox is trying to push the limits of Puff's safe play. So we had a Jiggs ditto in the finals. Our two best players are Jigglypuff mains, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT.
Also, HBox is a beast and you are all underrating him and have ******** logic. OF COURSE mango would go Jiggs in a GF set where $$ is on the line. That is the character he has dedicated the most time too and has the most experience with.alright, having played King, for awhile I'll give my take on Jigglypuff. Feel free to disagree.
First of all. She is not top tier.
1. If you as a player have Better spacing skills than your Jigglypuff opponent 80 % of the time you will win if you don't make some bad choices with DI and laggy moves to rest.
This first point is important.. Why do you loose to puff? Because your spacing sucks or isn;t as good as the puff players. If you get hit its your own ****ing fault, jiggly has no projectiles and her move set is very predictable. Now I'm not saying I'm god vs Puff but I notice how people space vs Puff and you can tell they will loose because the jiggs player is flat out better at spacing. The same is true for ANY matchup/match. If your a weaker player in the spacing dept. You should loose anyway. So before you complain about puff, ask yourself this.
''Is this player better at spacing than I am?'' For Hbox and Mango 9/10x They are better at spacing than their opponents.
azen is a prime example of a player in which his superior spacing game makes match ups look impossible or winnable.
Hbox/mango are simply better at spvcing than most smash players. IF you don't believe me look at tournament results.
2.Jiggly Puffs approach game is horrible
If you have a lead on jigglypuff she must go after you. So many players do not exploit jigglys slow movement speed. Jiggly wins by capitalizing off mistakes and poor decisions.
If you approach Puff the chances of you making a mistake rise considerably. I'm not saying Never approach Jiggs, but players need to exploit jiggs weak approach game.
The game changes vs Jiggs. you must learn how to zone vs this character. This goes to my first point. FOOTSIES.
3. Being impatient. PLaying vs Jiggs is an endurance race not a waveshine to 80 to upsmash race. Yes your jab will kill jigglypuff at 999 % . Basically as long as you have better spacing one of your moves will kill eventually.
Jigglypuff
approach-2
Grab game-2
Combos-3
Punish game-5
Edgeguarding-5
Survivability-4
I think she is equal with Peach, maybe a little better than Falcon.
May I ask what was wrong with the NES n00b thread? We can discuss through PM if you want. I didn't see any bull**** in there from what I can recall.Wow, we have 3 threads that in the last 2 months have made me hate this community: NesN00bs thread, the PBnJ debacle and this. People need to grow the **** up and stop johning.
Major props to these two posts (and strongbad) for being the only rational people here. Quit johning, play the ****ing game.
Also, HBox is a beast and you are all underrating him and have ******** logic. OF COURSE mango would go Jiggs in a GF set where $$ is on the line. That is the character he has dedicated the most time too and has the most experience with.
Hah this is kind of true. Also Falco > Marth > Fox > Puff > Sheik > Falco maybe? But yours is better.Sheik > Marth > Jiggz > Falco > Fox (imo) > Sheik
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Holy **** I actually agree with Strong Bad...the sooner you stop calling his playstyle "gay" and accept it as a respectable tactic the sooner you'll get better and maybe eventually be able to counter it.
you don't get 1st place by being a walking combo video, this isn't 2004. no johns.
You can hit me up on AIM if you're curious, tho tbh I doubt anyone actually gives a ****.May I ask what was wrong with the NES n00b thread? We can discuss through PM if you want. I didn't see any bull**** in there from what I can recall.
Don't you think it has something to do with who he was up against (as well as what character he was using)?OF COURSE mango would go Jiggs in a GF set where $$ is on the line. That is the character he has dedicated the most time too and has the most experience with.
Pretty sure he would have went Puff whether it was Hbox, M2K, Kage, or anyone else.Don't you think it has something to do with who he was up against (as well as what character he was using)?
Answer: Of course it does.
But he doesn't have to go puff to beat those guys necessarily.Pretty sure he would have went Puff whether it was Hbox, M2K, Kage, or anyone else.
Then play fox and **** em both upNothing. Because Falco and Jiggs are the two best characters in the game and are easily in two separate tiers of their own.
And I'm not even kidding. It's bull****.
bad trollNothing. Because Falco and Jiggs are the two best characters in the game and are easily in two separate tiers of their own.
And I'm not even kidding. It's bull****.
Fox is my main and it's greatThen play fox and **** em both up
Take your own advice, please.Quit life! And this game.
I believe she is reptilian.Jiggs is soooooo ****ing good
tl;drYES! I now have a level 10 crack pipe, that's what I named my puff on pokemon yellow it learned pound. LOL she beat a bunch of lv 16 pokemon and the trainer said you got to be kidding.
But yeah this tread isn't going any where really I think people who think puff is broken or whatever(she should be higher but not much) Maybe they should play as her to learn or study puff and figure her out somehow
Mods would never rest.i don't even understand why there isn't a rule against being bad at posting
I did. Then he ragequit the match because he got bored of me complaining. But since I made him quit, I won the friendly. So I totally kicked his ***.whine that the falco player has a gay playstyle until he stops
Admittedly she does fit the criteria for top tier based off the tournament results system they've been using for many years.Fox is my main and it's great
So many people in this topic fail at life. Quit life! And this game.
The fact that so few people understand what a tier list is absolutely laughable. So few of this community have competitive knowledge and background. They probably came when they first read Sirlin's bull**** and reference it to their friends whenever they can.