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Ah, that's why I called it a mixup, though. And anyways, you might not have any choice but to jump before you can ES to the edge. It all depends. Also, lawl @ you actually supporting my fair tactic by saying it was done to you.
Actually, dtilt can be a viable option at times vs. Lucario.... It takes a second for Lucario to snap the ledge depending on how high above/below the stage he is..... (At least as far as I can remember...)
I thought ike boards cleared the idiots out several months ago.
Luc's sweetspot is huge, which can give both the Lucario and the opponent the impression that it's impossible to hit him thanks to auto sweetspot. This isn't true, however. The Lucario player can "overshoot" the ledge, peaking his head over the stage for a split second before he snaps down to the ledge. So yes, you can hit him with a dtilt, but you'd have to be very strict with timing.Colaya said:
Oh, so it's down to personal insults now, is it? You imbecile.
Someone posted it in our Lucario matchup thread.
Have you seen Ike's fair becomes when it's been used 5 or 6 times in the queue list lol.
Still killed you, didn't it?
And everyone who makes generalizations is wrong. Owate.
When you stop whining and start contributing to this thread is when I'll care.
And when you stop being a childish elitist who always takes arguments down to the personal level over a theoretical disagreement, then you can have my respect. That is the point at which you will be stuck in my opinion until I see something to make me change my opinion. And that is why I will not simply cater to your every little whim.
Don't forget that Lucario will be forced to approach Ike because he'll get bored if he doesn't. Amirite?
theory doesn't work in smash
1. I'm using it correctly. SDI the fair trajectory and then DI back to the stage.
Hah, that's a pretty direct statement.
It probably will. The problem is this board has significantly more fanboys than it has people who seek truth.
If the only thing Luc had in this matchup was projectiles, it'd be easily neutral. Lucario also being able to harass Ike's recovery to such an extent, as well as being able to play his defensive game throughout it's entirety, and being able to trap Ike (generally any character with poor counter-measures) in his aerial pressure, and the overall auraboost that Lucario can reap from this (it may not get above 130%, but Luc can most definitely abuse the damage output in this match more than he could against an opponent with a more threatening approach) is what I feel makes it 65:35.
i love dave
That's from your point of view on Ikes. From our point of view on Lucario, you guys make it sound like Lucario is 100:0 Lucario's favor. Every character board has some sort of bias for there character. It always has been like that and it will always be like that. I know Lucario has the match-up in his favor but you Luc mains that posted made it seem like his unbeatable when playing as Ike.
This statement really hurts the reputation of the Ike boards.
We have a reputation?
And the statement below doesn't hurt the reputation of the Lucario boards? [song]Dreamer.....nothing but a dreamer.....[/song]
First sentence: 100% false and fanboyish. I can say Lucario can not beat a good Ike, and it would hold the same amount of weight as that sentence.
No. Lucario has a significant advantage in this matchup. You can't say the reverse, Ike(of any skill level bottom to top) has no realistic chance of beating a high level Lucario in a tournament set.
I've played the best Ike in the world and numerous top level ones. Don't question my credentials. I'm not some random scrub like 99% of the Ike posters in this thread, yourself included.
The matchup isn't as close as Ike mains think it is.
Ike is too ****ty to realistically be able to gimp Lucario. The only time it will happen is if the Lucario player is garbage or makes a serious mistake. It is irrelevant to bring up as it has to do with player skill/error and not character matchup.
You're an idiot. I know more about Ike than just about every Ike main in this thread. 65:35 is quite conservative. Please refer to this post.
People, read this post and stop arguing.
1. you never DI back the stage you just move. You thinking your using it right just throws away all your credibility. SDI is something that that pretty much teleports you a bit after your hit its how people teched smash attacks near the lead back in melee. God your stupid. DI changes the direction your sent in for example if you DI Ikes jab attack down you'll die at like 90% if you DI up you'll survive it at like 170%.
