.:How to Murder Stuff:. A Guide to the 'Dorf'

[Noodlehead]

Neutral B - Warlock Punch lol I give it a falcon cuz it sux (expect flames from Falcon mains)

>=/
i give ganondorf one marth cuz hes gay


ganondorf
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discription: a gay guy who happened to spy on falcon while he was beating up metaknight and ended up trying to copy falcon's moveset.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

>=/
i give ganondorf one marth cuz hes gay


ganondorf
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discription: a gay guy who happened to spy on falcon while he was beating up metaknight and ended up trying to copy falcon's moveset.

No. It's the other way around. Falcon was so gay, he stole all of Ganon's manliness and claimed it for himself.

 

[TP]

Falcon wears a helmet in shame because he has no beard.

 

[Face124]

Lol.

I might change my main to Ganondorf, these boards are epic.

 

[Noodlehead]

No. It's the other way around. Falcon was so gay, he stole all of Ganon's manliness and claimed it for himself.

i believe its the other way around. it all explains why he wasnt in 64(while 64 was made he was still trying to duplicate falcons moveset)

 

[:034:]

Lol.

I might change my main to Ganondorf, these boards are epic.

Do it, we'll play epic Ganondorf ditto's and eat decent MK's for breakfast

 

[German Wolf]

Do it, we'll play epic Ganondorf ditto's and eat decent MK's for breakfast

My new main is Ganondorf. Thank you.

 

[fromundaman]

A wise choice. The thunderbeard does not disappoint.

 

[:034:]

My new main is Ganondorf. Thank you.

My pleasure. (:

 

[fromundaman]

FD, that avatar is nothing short of awesome.

No wait... I don't think that's strong enough. Let me try again.

That avatar is nothing short of Ganon.

 

[:034:]

I know, fromunda. I know.

Woo, only 2 posts short of the magical 2000. I'm planning on making something huge, so cheers!

 

[MoblinMan]

For his 2,000th post anniversary, I wanna see Flying Dutchman fly. That would be something to remember.

 

[Z1GMA]

I just found the bestest way of improving my Ganon!!

... I put Swoops's "Gerudo follow up chart" at my deskop.

\m/ ^_^ \m/

 

[Z1GMA]

How many frames does it take for Ganon to leave the ground when jumping?
I couldn't find it in the guide.

 

[LordofDarkness]

Excellent guide, it's been a very helpful source for quick info.

Hai Ganon forums! I'm LoDRK and I'm the Lord of Darkness, nice to meet all of you! (I figured I'd tack this on to my first post rather than create a thread for it). I'm looking forward to these epic ganon dittos along with this MK breakfast I've heard so much about.

 

[stRIP]

Excellent guide, it's been a very helpful source for quick info.

Hai Ganon forums! I'm LoDRK and I'm the Lord of Darkness, nice to meet all of you! (I figured I'd tack this on to my first post rather than create a thread for it). I'm looking forward to these epic ganon dittos along with this MK breakfast I've heard so much about.

Do what Advice Dog says!

Welcome btw.

 

[:034:]

That should say "Main Ganondorf, eat decent MK's for breakfast"

 

[stRIP]

That should say "Main Ganondorf, eat decent MK's for breakfast"

Done

 

[:034:]

 

[The BlackChrimson]

Why does everyone always overestimate Meta Knight, and underestimate Ganon all the time?

In the hands of most, tier doesn't matter at all. Why? Because in the hands of "Tier firsts" players, they make every character they use, expecially MK, suck more crap than a porto-jon cleaner.

Tell me, am I right or not?

 

[TP]

Why does everyone always overestimate Meta Knight, and underestimate Ganon all the time?

In the hands of most, tier doesn't matter at all. Why? Because in the hands of "Tier firsts" players, they make every character they use, expecially MK, suck more crap than a porto-jon cleaner.

Tell me, am I right or not?

You are not.

 

[The BlackChrimson]

(I'm just basing off of my own experiance and statistic veiw of study from my past matches...
...I'll be sure to think twice once I brawl online.)

Now don't get me wrong, Meta Knight is pretty cool, but it's the fatc that he's a topped ranked Tier in Brawl, like Falcom is in Melee. Therefore since they're topped ranked, there are too many of them because of their supposed "high stats", and because of that, most of those players just blindly use MK and think they can win...Sad really...
The fact of the matter is that MK's attacks are fast, but the catch is that they don't deal so much damage and MK can't recover too quickly when someone simply blocks those attacks, leaving MK open; Especially since Ganon's attacks are over powering, thus making Ganon an excellent choicve to simply charge MK.

Personally, I use Sonic as my main, and Sonic's speed cuts through MK's attacks like a hot knife through butter. However I use Ganon as my second, and Ganon's strength rules over the lousy "high tiers"...

...I could go on about one of my few hundred rants, but I'm trying not to do it... ^^;

 

[TP]

I recommend you fight some decent players online before you "rant" anymore. The biggest problem in your post was saying that MK can't recover from his attacks being blocked. That shows you have not played a very good MK. What if the MK jumps and does a Dair at the same time? Even if you block it, he'll be too far above you for you to punish him. This is one of many things that makes MK very hard to punish.

Welcome to the board, BTW.

 

[The BlackChrimson]

I know, I know...
I'm trying not to say anything...But it's kind of hard not to (I kind of blame my dad fo that).
I have had a share of MKs, and one of them was a champ. My oppologies....

..And uhh...Thanks for the welcome...

 

[:034:]

If you think MK is hard to beat in Brawl... Play Brawl+. He's practically UNSTOPPABLE in there... And also my B+ main besides Ganondorf and Charizard. :3

 

[Ray_Kalm]

If you think MK is hard to beat in Brawl... Play Brawl+. He's practically UNSTOPPABLE in there... And also my B+ main besides Ganondorf and Charizard. :3

I thought Metaknight was nerfed to hell in Brawl+..

 

[stRIP]

If you think MK is hard to beat in Brawl... Play Brawl+. He's practically UNSTOPPABLE in there... And also my B+ main besides Ganondorf and Charizard. :3

sry 4 offtopic...

FD im getting Homebrew tomorrow on my way

will set all the codes etc

Is it possible to play online if both players got the same codes activated?

Its a bit stupid becuz of lag cancel with delay lol

 

[:034:]

I thought Metaknight was nerfed to hell in Brawl+..

He takes more knockback (effectively making him the lightest, I believe), but all the other mechanics, including hitstun, lag reduction, no automatically sweetspotting and no stale moves means he can combo you zero to death and hehas a CHAINGRAB with his forward throw on some characters (I **** you not)... He's insane.

sry 4 offtopic...

FD im getting Homebrew tomorrow on my way

will set all the codes etc

Is it possible to play online if both players got the same codes activated?

Its a bit stupid becuz of lag cancel with delay lol

Yeah, it's possible, but we'll need the EXACT same codes. We'll also need to remove the buffer codes to make it easier to cope with the lag. But it's definitely possible, and seems quite fun : D

 

[stRIP]

He takes more knockback (effectively making him the lightest, I believe), but all the other mechanics, including hitstun, lag reduction, no automatically sweetspotting and no stale moves means he can combo you zero to death and hehas a CHAINGRAB with his forward throw on some characters (I **** you not)... He's insane.



Yeah, it's possible, but we'll need the EXACT same codes. We'll also need to remove the buffer codes to make it easier to cope with the lag. But it's definitely possible, and seems quite fun : D

YESZ!

Send me your bunch of codes tomorrow, than we could play maybe :>

 

[:034:]

YESZ!

Send me your bunch of codes tomorrow, than we could play maybe :>

Aw yeah, you got it. Okay, I use the Plussery codeset, but I removed the buffer codes on this one to optimalize online play. I also removed the momentum codes, since they don't correctly, they only give you momentum when jumping to the left. XD

So just copy-paste the following onto a .txt file:

RSBP01
Smash Bros Brawl (Europe)

Brawlplusery Codeset V3.3 Beta

WiiRD Codes

Level Freezer[Phantom Wings/Almas, 8 Lines]
4A000000 9000E220
1416A904 BF800000
2261CA50 00000014
2261CA50 0000001C
1416A904 3F800000
E0000000 80008000

ASM Codes

Dash Dancing [Phantom Wings/paprika_killer, 5 Lines]
C271A3F4 00000004
81830058 2C0C000E
4182000C C0230040
48000008 FC20D090
60000000 00000000

Shieldstun [spunit262/Almas, 6 Lines]
C287087C 00000005
83810034 8083013C
2C040000 41810014
1F9C000A 3B9C0014
38800005 7F9C23D6
60000000 00000000

Only Swap Pokemon by Down-B [Y.S./Phantom Wings/spunit262/Almas, 5 Lines]
C2811B50 00000004
7FA4EB78 2C170115
41820010 2C1A0023
41820008 8883000A
60000000 00000000

No Autosweetspot Ledges [spunit262/paprika killer, 7 Lines]
C277C2B0 00000006
2C04000A 40A20020
8181003C 816C0018
C00B0010 C02B001C
FC000840 40A10008
38000000 5400CFFF
60000000 00000000

Launch Power Modifier [Almas, 28 Lines]
C2852AA0 0000001B
3BE2FF7C 2C002F00
4082000C C3E2FFA4
480000BC 2C002F20
4082000C 38A3C594
48000034 2C002F14
4082000C 38A3C5A0
48000024 2C002F40
4082000C 38A3C574
48000014 2C002F5C
41820008 4E800020
38A3C558 80850010
2C040017 4082000C
38800003 48000008
80850000 3BA2FEDC
87DD0004 57C5463E
7C052000 41820010
7C1DF800 4082FFEC
4E800020 2C002F20
4082000C 57C0673E
48000028 2C002F14
4082000C 57C0873E
48000018 2C002F40
4082000C 57C0C73E
48000008 57C0A73E
1C000004 7FFF0214
C3FF0000 EC3F0072
4E800020 00000000

Grav Values Modifier [Almas, 16 Lines]
C2817B04 0000000F
3802FF7C 2C080000
40800068 3982FEDC
8088F5B0 2C040017
4082000C 38800003
48000008 8088F5A0
2C09FFFF 40820014
2C040002 4082000C
C2EC00A8 48000030
84AC0004 54A3463E
7C032000 41820010
7C0C0000 4082FFEC
4E800020 54A5E73E
1CA50004 7D802A14
C2EC0000 EC370072
4E800020 00000000

Bowser's Thick Skin [Almas, 9 Lines]
C276467C 00000008
3862FEE0 C00300AC 
8004C690 2C00000B 
40820024 FC010040 
4080000C EC210828 
48000014 C00300A4 
EC210032 C00300DC 
EC210028 3C6080AD 
60000000 00000000

Metaknight's Flimsy Armour [Almas, 5 Lines]
C281806C 00000004
3BE2FEE0 801DF5AC
2C000016 4082000C
C2DF00B4 EC360072
4E800020 00000000

Character Id Fix [spunit262/Almas, 3 Lines]
C2810318 00000002
819E003C 907EFFFC
60000000 00000000

Frame Speed Modifier Engine [spunit262/Phantom Wings/Almas, 21 Lines]
C2761C20 00000010
3C008180 807D0008
8063FFFC 7C030000
4080000C 80630030
48000008 386000FF
809D0014 C0240040
FC40081E D8410008
8001000C 80BD007C
80A50038 38C200D8
84E60008 2C070000
41820030 7CE8C671
41A0000C 7C081800
4082FFE8 54E8863E
7C004000 41A0FFDC
54E8043E 7C082800
4082FFD0 C0060004
D01F0010 00000000
C2761FB8 00000003
2C1D0001 4182000C
C0230010 48000008
C02283C0 00000000

Hitlag Modifier [Phantom Wings/Almas/spunit262, 10 Lines]
C276CEAC 00000004
2C040002 41800010
1C840005 38840000
39C0000A 7C8473D6
2C040000 00000000
C28716A0 00000004
2C040002 41800010
1C840005 38840000
39C0000A 7C8473D6
80660064 00000000

Dash Cancel [Phantom Wings/spunit262/Almas, 9 Lines]
C275FEBC 00000008
90810014 54846CFE
2C0417E5 41A00030
3C008180 8081009C
7C040000 40800020
80A4007C 80A50038
2C050005 40A20010
3C004F00 80840014
90040040 00000000

Shield during Dashdance [spunit262/Phantom Wings/Almas, 6 Lines]
C275FF38 00000005
8081009C 80A4007C
80A50038 2C050003
40A20010 3C004F00
80840014 90040040
60600008 00000000

No Airdodge while Tumbling [spunit262/Phantom Wings/Almas, 7 Lines]
C277C310 00000006
80980000 2C040021
40A20020 8097007C
80840034 2C040042
41A00010 2C040049
41A10008 38600000
39610040 00000000

Fast Falls while Tumbling [spunit262/Phantom Wings/Almas, 11 Lines]
C2760134 0000000A
887E007C 2c030000
40A20040 809E0014
54846CFE 2C0417E5
41A00030 80810064
80A4007C 80A50034
2C050049 40A2001C
80840070 80840024
8084001C 80A40000
60A50004 90A40000
60000000 00000000

Constants

Jump/Grav Values [29 Lines]
065AAFC0 000000E0
0025CB60 0114F440
0245CA40 0305EB40
0465CB40 05448440
0626AC80 0744A440
0834C440 0926AC80
0A44C440 0B33C530
0C35CB60 0D24C440
0E35CA60 0F06E840
1145CB60 12448440
1324AC80 14568440
1544C440 1624E830
1745C850 1824C640
1935CB60 1A44C440
1B35CA60 1D45CA30
1E26E640 1F55C640
2045A340 2125CB60
22468550 2345CA60
2534E440 2944EA40
2C55C180 2E36CB60
2F34ED40 3F4CCCCD
3F59999A 3F666666
3F733333 3F800000
3F833333 3F866666
3F89999A 3F8CCCCD
3F900000 3F933333
3F966666 3F99999A
3FA00000 3FA66666
3FB33333 3ECCCCCC

Frame Speed Modifier Data [25 Lines]
065AB1C0 000000C0
0B00003B 3F5E9BD3
1E00003B 3F777777
0A000040 3FAAAAAA
1A000040 3FAAAAAA
01000040 3F2AAAAA
25000041 3FD11111
14000024 3FD99999
1600002F 3F59999A
02000018 4036DB61
09000018 40200000
12000018 3FAAAAAB
14140118 3F999999
03190125 40000000
03140123 40000000
1F0A0113 3FC00000
1A080034 3FC00000
1A000028 3FACCCCC
1F000018 40555555
FF000018 40000000
FF000074 40800000
FF000061 3FA66666
FF000041 3FD55555
FF00000A 3FA66666
FF0E0054 40A00000

No Stale Moves [spunit262/Almas]
02FBC988 00130000

Tripping Rate Modifier [KirbyIsCool]
04817B68 C0220020
045AB110 00000000

Triple Jump Glitch Fix [Phantom Wings/spunit262/Almas]
0485422C 38830003

P.Trainer Infinite Stamina [Phantom Wings/spunit262/Almas]
04A87BB4 60000000

Hitstun Modifier [Phantom Wings/spunit262/Almas]
02B84F48 00030001
04B83AA8 3EF7CED9

C-Stick Fastfalls Modifier [spunit262/Phantom Wings/Almas]
048596DC 40A20008
048596D8 2C000001

Powershield Window Modifier
04B84F24 00000000

Infinite Replays [brkirch]
040ED354 60000000

EDIT: Oh, we'll need the exact same, so you'll need to have them in that order. But if you copy-paste it, it should be alright. And otherwise, I can just send you the .gct over MSN.

 

[PK-ow!]

Holy-!

WAIT WAIT WAIT,

FD, do the comments in that code imply that you can disable the fact of C-stick inputs causing fast fall?

... that.... crap. The way I understand C-sticking, that is a nonmodular property of it; i.e., something that could not be disabled without rebuilding the whole C-stick subroutine from the ground up.


Also, the pokemon trainer no-switch mod you've subscribed to is just scrubby.

 

[:034:]

Holy-!

WAIT WAIT WAIT,

FD, do the comments in that code imply that you can disable the fact of C-stick inputs causing fast fall?

... that.... crap. The way I understand C-sticking, that is a nonmodular property of it; i.e., something that could not be disabled without rebuilding the whole C-stick subroutine from the ground up.


Also, the pokemon trainer no-switch mod you've subscribed to is just scrubby.

Yeah, pressing down on the C-stick no longer makes you fastfall. Dunno HOW they did it - but they just did.

I also totally didn't understand that last sentence. Subscribing to a code is impressive (read: impossible) and calling it a mod is sort of weird... Then saying it's a scrub (meaning, it's PLAYING the game itself) is just beyond me. Then after forming such an incoherent sentence, you just shrug it off with a 'oh well' smiley.

It was pretty awesome.

 

[PK-ow!]

Yeah, pressing down on the C-stick no longer makes you fastfall. Dunno HOW they did it - but they just did.

I also totally didn't understand that last sentence. Subscribing to a code is impressive (read: impossible) and calling it a mod is sort of weird... Then saying it's a scrub (meaning, it's PLAYING the game itself) is just beyond me. Then after forming such an incoherent sentence, you just shrug it off with a 'oh well' smiley.

Huh? By 'subscribe' I meant "Picking it up as part of your Brawlplus modification set, from the 'market' of mods people have produced", and by "mod" I mean... modification. Which this is. What the hell are you calling it?

And by 'scrub', I mean scrub. Turning the game into something it's not is the definition of scrub. The Brawlplusery project is all well and good with exploring an alternative game, but making PT "no-forced-switch" is... a change to what that character is. It seems to be going too far, even for what the plussery is all about.


Anyway, if you can turn off C-stick fastfall... that.... forces me to believe I'm wrong about how I understand C-sticking. Which makes wavebouncing and pretty much every tech in regards to it mysterious again.
.... so wTF?

 

[stRIP]

I noticed that its possible to crouch cancel in brawl+

thats to funny, if your opponent thinks "omg another dash attack" and u ram them the ellbow into t3h face


Way to much offtopic here btw

 

[Conspiricy]

Possible new combo?

Dthrow, gerudo, Dtilt, Uair, chase off stage, Dair.
(works against: Jiggs, wolf, falco, C.falcon, fox, MK(sometimes), DDD, bowser, shiek, mario) <tested on so far.
even if the last hit doesn't connect, it does about 42% on the enemy.

-SIEG

 

[Squirrely]

I've almost never been able to land a gerudo on someone after I d-throw them.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Possible new combo?

Dthrow, gerudo, Dtilt, Uair, chase off stage, Dair.
(works against: Jiggs, wolf, falco, C.falcon, fox, MK(sometimes), DDD, bowser, shiek, mario) <tested on so far.
even if the last hit doesn't connect, it does about 42% on the enemy.

-SIEG

Maybe if Ganon's down throw is staled to dust.

 

[hyperstation]

Possible new combo?

Dthrow, gerudo, Dtilt, Uair, chase off stage, Dair.
(works against: Jiggs, wolf, falco, C.falcon, fox, MK(sometimes), DDD, bowser, shiek, mario) <tested on so far.
even if the last hit doesn't connect, it does about 42% on the enemy.

-SIEG

Maybe if Ganon's down throw is staled to dust.

Yeah, Sieg, have you tested on these guys with any type of DI? I'd bet they can DI out of yr gerudo range really easily. I wonder if we could use a BDCed AD -> Gerudo (doubt it), or rather just try a completely different "combo" with D-throw -> BDCed UAir.

 

[Conspiricy]

I had the guys do a few DI's and it didn't really matter if I nailed the timing.
And yes, it was a stale D-throw.

Now comfirmed, doesn't work on fox due to his F-air

-SIEG

 

[weinner]

I was looking through the guide and I noticed that Lucario is still missing from the "Dealing with Projectile Spam" part of the guide so i'll state what i've noticed about Aura Sphere.

Small Aura Spheres are overrided by DA and Utilt. Medium and Large Spheres can be overrided by an uncharged Fsmash and a Warlock Punch. Everything else in our moveset clashes with all Aura Sphere sizes (that includes the low priority grounded Wizkick).