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Dude, the Ganons and CFs just went over this over in their topic. It's about even, maybe a 55:45 (G-dorf advantage) split. Just because it's CF that needs to approach.
CF doesn't really have to approach.. and CF could shut down our attacks, as we can his.
CF has to approach more than Ganon does, thanks to dtilt pokes.
O.o Yea, what was I thinking. I can't believe that idiotic thought went through my head. I must've not thought at all about the match up and just talked about random **** that had no merit. Random paragraphs of information that no one had any good arguments against me.
I didn't think a Falcon would mindlessly approach with those either. But even with the approaches, Ganondorf's defense destroys them. DA, f-tilt, u-air, b-air, d-tilt, jab, and even d-air can kill Falcon approaches. Jab isn't an approach it's a back up to Falcon's offense. Jab is pretty good I will admit...but it's the only thing I can think of that's truly good for Falcon. I play Falcon from time to time and I know a lot of his strength's and weaknesses.
And what makes Ganon have to approach over Falcon? Does Falcon have some crazy projectile I didn't know about? Does he have some crazy range over us that allows him to space much better? We force Falcon to approach, not the other way around.
I've been using Utilt a lot to recently. Less for edge guarding, and more on the stage. I mostly use it against characters who aren't that heavy in the air, like Pit and Squirtle, for example. I just find it best to use the UTilt then other moves, which you know are bound to fail at times. Because, If we cause a shield break, we basically won the match.
I was ignored.
This is the awesomeness that all TRUE Ganons strive for!
Maybe could you scan the rest of the guide and send it to Swoops ? This way, you won't have to type it ^^Taken into consideration and immediately rejectedYou have already done a great job fromundaman
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Swoops, here are some suggestions about the guide :
- Add a more visible techhasing section. It concerns Gerudo, Stomp / DA sometimes, FTilt and Fthrow in some situations. Also, this section could talk about Platform chasing game, which is really good : Chasing with Uair/USmash after a Gerudo as you said, but also forcing the opponent to fall off the platform with an USmash on block by example. If they miss the tech, it's an easy USmash, or fllow-up. If they tech, you techchase. (They can also jump, and you can punish it, but that's not really techchasing anymore).
- A section on keeping your opponent on the ledge. Basically what options do we have when an opponent is grabbing the ledge.
- In Recovering section something about Ledge Drop > Dark Dive, that is ******* good against shields.
- Maybe something about punishing dodges... (Reversed DSmash can be useful here to cover a roll and a Spotdodge)
- Ganon Super Jump yeah !
- Something on Grab releases. MK gets grab released into Down B by example.
And that's all ^^" I can help you if you want
.o.O *takes cookie...munches*good title good guide u get a cookie XD (:
You should maybe ask to 3GOD about the frame data
Atta boy, Swoops. Atta boy.
Much obliged, friend. As luck (or in my case a lack thereof) would have it, I haven't gone back to Brooklyn after coming home to PA for the holidaze. I'm stuck here because I have some crazy health **** going on which we're still kind of figuring out. Anyway, the reason I mention this is because it's this unfortunate turn which has allowed me to finally work on some of these things I've been posting about. Swoops, you've paid your dues and wrote the definitive guide which can get Ganon players standing on their own two feet. I'd like to think that DSL, while more than a brainstorming session and less than a guide, is the logical continuation of the Ganon community's work, not least of all your own. I'll try to keep picking up the slack while you're away. We know you'll be back.
Oh, I definitely think DSL is where the Ganon community needs to be headed. I've always thought of my guide as a central hub for all things Ganon and not really a thread for people to discuss Ganon strategies. This thread is really just here for the guide and for people to talk about what needs to be in the guide.Much obliged, friend. As luck (or in my case a lack thereof) would have it, I haven't gone back to Brooklyn after coming home to PA for the holidaze. I'm stuck here because I have some crazy health **** going on which we're still kind of figuring out. Anyway, the reason I mention this is because it's this unfortunate turn which has allowed me to finally work on some of these things I've been posting about. Swoops, you've paid your dues and wrote the definitive guide which can get Ganon players standing on their own two feet. I'd like to think that DSL, while more than a brainstorming session and less than a guide, is the logical continuation of the Ganon community's work, not least of all your own. I'll try to keep picking up the slack while you're away. We know you'll be back.
