How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[Luxor]

Looking at the frame data in my *cough* new and improved frame data thread *cough*, I was surprised to see what a huge autocancel window Bair has. Considering that Dsmash is frame 6, there is definitely some potential for this Bair-->Dsmash on block thing. I'll look into it with all the AC/LC permutations, etc.

Oh and tap jump on + Cstick back = ****. Also, you really shouldn't need to change L to attack to AC Uair when you can actually buffer it out of a short hop- you just have to tilt the control stick up very slightly, then hit Jump+A. Pretty legit.

 

[DarkAura]

L would simply help people with the timing, it's not like i was saying it's a necessity, i know when i was learning how to AC Uair i had quite a bit of trouble hitting A in the stupidly small window between upsmash and buffering Uair

also, AC Uair across the stage after a kill= epic mindgames

 

[Praxis]

Can someone explain to me how to input short hop triple laser?

 

[Spelt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMIObkVZ3oA


That's how TKD does it.

 

[DarkAura]

jump, and before fox leaves the ground hit B (or whatever you special button is) three times

 

[AkioKira]

I think halberd is one of the best stages for fox because of the small length of the ceiling

 

[luke_atyeo]

so it is indeed possible to frame trap acbair to dsmash? sweet

 

[meepxzero]

Hey can anyone tell me what a frame trap is? Like in the easiest way possible. I kind of get what it means, but i wanna make sure if i use the word im using it correctly.

 

[UzakiuzuG]

anyone up for some matches?

 

[Scinn]

try asking the same question here.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=275524

 

[Luxor]

Hey can anyone tell me what a frame trap is? Like in the easiest way possible. I kind of get what it means, but i wanna make sure if i use the word im using it correctly.

I don't think it's possible to use it incorrectly since it's just casually thrown around, lol. I always defined a frame trap as "a situation where the receiver has a very tight frame window in which to make a decision or be punished," but that's a bad definition tbh. Pretty much everybody's Dthrow counts as a frame trap by that definition. Now that I think about it, a better definition would be "a followup or sequence of moves that is guaranteed if, within a tight frame window, the receiver makes no action or the wrong action." It's really a vague, general, bad, misleading, meaningless term anyway. It just means "hey y after x is a good followup."

 

[luke_atyeo]

I always thought a frame trap was a setup where if they dropped shield to punish you, they were punished instead.

 

[Luxor]

Well, that kinda falls under my "definitions." Sorta.

Anyway, I need help SHTL'ing. I can't really do it with standard controls (not without a bunch of work, anyway) so I'm using Y to jump and X as special. I jump and mash x three times, and I get the SHTL but with a grounded lag laser at the end. Does that mean I'm pressing X too fast/too slow/too early/too late or what? Help would be appreciated.

 

[DarkAura]

it means you're pressing it too slow.

if you still have trouble try using Y with the tip of your thumb and B with the knuckle of your thumb (TKD's Method)

 

[Shy Guy 86]

Yesterday I was messing around with Fox in training mode, so I got a Giant Mushroom and I managed to do a Gattling Combo by accident(Dash Attack to Up Smash), but I tried to do it in normal size but it didn't work. The timing used was exactly the same way I do it with Falco(In normal size)

Is it possible to do on a normal size? Or is it only possible with Giant Fox?

 

[Scinn]

lol I did this a long time ago and never worked as normal fox no matter how fast I did it.
I think it's only possible as giant fox.

 

[DarkAura]

what he said ^
a while back i took a lot of time looking into this but it's not possible as normal fox.

 

[luke_atyeo]

giant gattling combo.
now we just need to wait for the sbr to add warioware to their ridiculous list of 'viable' levels.

I was mucking around with L for jump, and was doing sh ac bair with L and the cstick and wasnt touching the control stick, but noticed that if I hit the cstick too quick (I assume inputting the bair before I leave the ground during the first few frames of jump) that fox will jump backwards a small amount.

now this isnt anything important or useful, but just so I know the game a little better, what exactly is causing this?


edit- kk, sorry about that.

 

[KillerJawz]

Did a little merging for you, please use the edit button from now on, or wait 24 hours until your next post.

 

[GUARD]

I think halberd is one of the best stages for fox because of the small length of the ceiling

I have come to realize that what you said is not accually that accurate. I allways loved Halberd and Halberd is FAR from a bad stage for Fox......However, if you consider a stage like Japes for example, Fox will only need to deal around 15% more for the U-Smash to kill (while killing Fox would be a pain thanks to his AMAZING momentum cancel.)

so in other word....the taller the stage, the better it is for Fox accually.

 

[4Biddin]

giant gattling combo.
now we just need to wait for the sbr to add warioware to their ridiculous list of 'viable' levels.

I was mucking around with L for jump, and was doing sh ac bair with L and the cstick and wasnt touching the control stick, but noticed that if I hit the cstick too quick (I assume inputting the bair before I leave the ground during the first few frames of jump) that fox will jump backwards a small amount.

now this isnt anything important or useful, but just so I know the game a little better, what exactly is causing this?


edit- kk, sorry about that.

Dude the same thing was happening to me and my buddy when I was showing him the best way to do stuff outta shield. We would sometimes end up actually controlling our jump with the C stick. I wonder what this is.

EDIT: Oh yea and here is an example of a frame trap

fox: U throw
fox: AC uair
them: air dodge toward ground
fox: U smash
them: KO

(This is a very rough idea of it)

 

[iamjason8]

What killer do you guys use the most apart from U-Smash?

I played Melee Fox so I still Shine Spike even its pretty crap now.

I also use D-Smash quite a bit too.

Just curious as to what others use since Fox is by no means a "one dimensional character" and lots of people have different play styles.

 

[GUARD]

My main killing moves ON stage are U-Smash, D-Smash and B-Air.

OFF the edge for me is N-air, B-air, Shine (sometimes.....since some characters have **** recovery and can`t really gimp me if I miss) and Footstool...... and sometimes Drill. (sometimes I SD myself with Drill (while killing my opponent) when I have more stocks then them.........very risky though.lol)

 

[DarkAura]

anything that works.

anything i feel like.

 

[C.R.Z]

ok so i know buffering is 10 frames. but it seems that if you want to buffer a grab it is even shorter.i believe this is because near the end of the 10 frames if you buffer a grab you get a shield instead. my question is whether theres away to avoid the shield coming out, if not then does anyone know how many frames you have to buffer a grab from e.g. a drill ?

 

[Luxor]

If you're still holding the grab button at the end of the 10-frame buffer window the game reads it as a buffered shield. To buffer a grab, in that 10-frame window you have to press and release grab. So the answer to your question is still 10.

 

[Psyco]

How much damage does Fox's blaster do at each distance?

 

[DarkAura]

1-3% depending on how stale it is. The damage barely changes over distance

When a laser connects it's most likely going to do 1%

 

[Psyco]

Oh. I thought it does 2-3 at close range and 1-2 at a certian distance? I don't see 1% all the time...

 

[DarkAura]

it may be 2% then, im judging from memory i haven't played the game in forever, my apologies for the mistake.

 

[Kofu]

What's the best hand position for SHTL, and how can I effectively practice it?

 

[DarkAura]

depends on who you ask, there are a lot of different ways.

My personal style is switching L to special but nobody really fancies that

the style im sure most people use is to press Y with the tip of your thumb and then hit B with the knuckle

when it comes to practicing i have 4 words: Training Mode, Battlefield, Repetition

 

[JOE!]

allrighty, besides the allmighty Upsmash (TRY A SOMERSAULT), and Uair, what other moves are kill-potential with Fox?

 

[Cherry64]

Dsmash, and Bair. you learn to hit them a lot with these

 

[Psyco]

Dsmash, and Bair. you learn to hit them a lot with these

Don't forget Fsmash. Not quite as effective (a little slower than the other smashes), but still a good kill move.

 

[Cherry64]

Ehhh, Situational. I use it more for damaging purposes and Punishes for laggy moves. then I re-set my space and camp

 

[crifer]

Guys do you know if we can usmash OOS lucas rising dair, if he hits our shield? or should I usmash without hiding in the shield, in order to simply overpower it?

 

[C.R.Z]

Guys do you know if we can usmash OOS lucas rising dair, if he hits our shield? or should I usmash without hiding in the shield, in order to simply overpower it?

not sure, i would think that the knock back would be too much.most likely would work when power shielded tho.

 

[KillerJawz]

If you powershield one of the inbetween hits, I do believe it's possible.

 

[Kuares]

Is there a list of character's recoveries that can be shined, nair'ed, bair'ed? Or something that shows how to edge gaurd certain character?

The reason I asked was because I was able to shine spike a Falco recovery with Firebird by going under him(even if going under Falco is a bad idea).