How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[Cherry64]

Training mode is NOT real brawl. easiest way of proving my rightness, fire your laser in training mode and see the damage counter

 

[DarkAura]

yes but training mode does pertain to everything real beside stale moves.

sadly training mode is the only thing i can play... or my wii breaks.

 

[KillerJawz]

Because of hacks?

 

[DarkAura]

because iv used it non stop for 2 years. T_T
it just doesn't read disks anymore... plus it sounds like a chainsaw

i tried hacking wii but it didn't work, sadly.

 

[C.R.Z]

because iv used it non stop for 2 years. T_T
it just doesn't read disks anymore... plus it sounds like a chainsaw

i tried hacking wii but it didn't work, sadly.

wow, sounds bad

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Just wondering, anyone got any frame data for fox illusion with jumping added?

 

[Mister Eric]

Hellu Fox Boards, you might be seeing me a lot here in the next little while asking questions about your character and how they perform on a certain stage.
Character boards seem to cycle through incomplete MU threads to new ones in hope to update them and finally complete them. This is the R.O.B. Boards attempt at completing a sufficient stage-discussion thread and I'm going to try my best to get accurate and thorough information, but I'll need your help. This will be the only question with an introductory. I just wanted to say hello and let you know that if you guys need info on anything for R.O.B. don't hesitate asking. ^_^

Anywho!

Q: How does Fox fair off on Delfino Plaza in general and against R.O.B.. Why is it good or bad? What can Fox abuse and what might possibly annoy you that R.O.B. can do on this stage? On a scale of 1 - 10, what do you see Fox's chances of doing well on this stage against R.O.B. 1 being the worst for you 10 being the best.

thanks guys =]
<beep3

 

[meepxzero]

hey guys how do u deal with chars that have like 0-to watever grab combos on fox? Like what do you mentally keep in mind and all that stuff... You cant really camp out chars because fox gets waay to predictable running away. Its annoying as hell because grabs are so hard to punish.

 

[crifer]

hey guys how do u deal with chars that have like 0-to watever grab combos on fox? Like what do you mentally keep in mind and all that stuff... You cant really camp out chars because fox gets waay to predictable running away. Its annoying as hell because grabs are so hard to punish.

BF and SV is really nice for running and jumping away. Other than that use a lot BAIR in shield, because it´s pushback is really good. Nair is, if spaced well, useful, too.

 

[Scinn]

EDIT: nevermind I figured it out

 

[JNB328522]

hey guys how do u deal with chars that have like 0-to watever grab combos on fox? Like what do you mentally keep in mind and all that stuff... You cant really camp out chars because fox gets waay to predictable running away. Its annoying as hell because grabs are so hard to punish.

To tell you the truth I dont think many foxes know how to deal with those match ups much Its pretty much crazy mind games and running like heck
I think these vids of rookie may help
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_PfZxQo_3U&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh34akqsQvo

 

[meepxzero]

i was lookin at the frame data for fox. Does his upsmash come out at frame 8 or 10? The guide says two different things and im guessing the top part is out of date or something.

I was just curious because i have an olimar in my region who set his jump to a button to usmash outta shield and he pulls off the gankiest usmashes (usmashes outta shield against a lotta multi-hit moves and through mks dash attack). I think fox could be as dangerous if you set ur a button to usmash outta shield because it does work more efficient than the control stick.

 

[DarkAura]

Frame 8

10char

 

[Hanzhou]

I play with tap jump so I just press up and A at the same time to upsmash Oos
O.O

 

[Psycho Meta Knight]

In a situation when I'm fighting someone with high dmg (for whatever weight) and they are air-born, is it better to Uair them or get under them and Usmash.

 

[DarkAura]

It depends, If you have failed at landing an Usmash earlier in the stock he may be able to predict an Usmash, How high he is exactly because your Usmash may miss completely, How fresh is your Uair/Usmash? Is your opponent fond of airdodging? (if so use an Usmash, he should be within hitting range if he airdodged)

To be honest it comes down to what you want to use. You should note that the Uair is not at powerful as an Usmash and unless you opponent is highish in the air(depending on stage) it may or may not kill.

What im trying to say is that it's situational, as an example if i was playing on battlefield i would Usmash my opponent if he was slightly above or below the first level of platforms and i would Uair if he was any higher.

Hope my complicated and overextended answer helped.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

Which stages have platforms that Fox's upsmash can hit through? I know BF is one, but sometimes I can do it on BF and sometimes not, so i'm not sure how it works.

 

[Shintarru]

I think its character specific

 

[Cherry64]

I think its character specific

Seriously? Wow Sakurai,

Some peoples Children...

 

[crifer]

Hey guys,
I know that wolf´s usmash can stage spike Characters that are tall enough,
but today I stage spiked a yoshi on FD with Fox usmash O.o
I´ve never seen that before, do you know on which Characters usmash stage spikes?

 

[DarkAura]

Ozz: Only battlefield, maybe PS1 because those platforms are roughly the same right. it will only land if the are on the edge or lying down (atleast, from personal experience thats what has worked) oh and yoshi's island when the platform is tilted or you are on the higher point of the main floor (i think)

and yes it is somewhat character specific, Larger characters are easier to hit, also larger shields are easy to hit.

Crifer: Iv never had that happen before or heard of it happening, Yoshis Islands ledges have fairly weird properties so it may just be a very rare occurrence exclusive to Yoshi's Island.

However this has made me curious, if you have to patience test it out and see what you can find.

 

[crifer]

Crifer: Iv never had that happen before or heard of it happening, Yoshis Islands ledges have fairly weird properties so it may just be a very rare occurrence exclusive to Yoshi's Island.

However this has made me curious, if you have to patience test it out and see what you can find.

Not on Yoshi´s Island (brawl stage),
against a Yoshi on Final Destination.
It would be great, if someone could give me his Wii and Brawl Code in order to upload it.

 

[DarkAura]

Oh my bad, reading fail.

that's actually fairly interesting, also ask Yoshiq (i think thats his name) to upload it for you, he uploads everyones videos. He has a thread in the video discussion board (or whatever it's called)

 

[Luxor]

Does Fawks have any real frame data thread?

 

[DarkAura]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=228287

all we got

 

[Luxor]

Eh. I've got all of Fox's basic frame data in a spreadsheet, I'll post it up Monday probably. It's own thread will come after that, maybe with frame advantages and stuff.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Quick question myself. I've been messing around with fox a bit and I had been wondering why is it I never hear of fox having the same antics that Falco has with his SideB? By a glance and a quick stage measurement, fox's sideB and falco's sideB are very similar.

The distance covered seems identical. The start-up lag and ending lag are similar in appearence too. The only problem I see is that I cannot jump -> sideB as fox. But, if I run offstage and SideB back to the stage, it ends just as quickly as Falco's does. Plus, it's a legit form of recovery as well. So, I simply do not see why I hear it not being used more often.

 

[DarkAura]

Foxes fast fall acceleration prevents him from pulling off the shenanigans that you can do with falco (Jump SideB for example), also Illusion has more start up time and different canceling frames.

you may not hear the run off the stage sideB thing being used but to my knowledge and through watching/critiquing videos a fair amount of foxes do this.

and yes it's an awesome form of recovery (Look at Uzi's sig to see it at it's best)

Straight up answering,

There is more startup lag on Fox's SideB
falco is just a better built character when it comes to compatibility with SideB
Foxes don't exactly trust in illusion as much as falco's, that's why not many Foxes use it more often than not. Really it's only ever used for mixups, recovery and to a lesser extent mindgames

 

[Cherry64]

Foxes fast fall acceleration prevents him from pulling off the shenanigans that you can do with falco (Jump SideB for example), also Illusion has more start up time and different canceling frames.

you may not hear the run off the stage sideB thing being used but to my knowledge and through watching/critiquing videos a fair amount of foxes do this.

and yes it's an awesome form of recovery (Look at Uzi's sig to see it at it's best)

Straight up answering,

There is more startup lag on Fox's SideB
falco is just a better built character when it comes to compatibility with SideB
Foxes don't exactly trust in illusion as much as falco's, that's why not many Foxes use it more often than not. Really it's only ever used for mixups, recovery and to a lesser extent mindgames

To add to this, it's priority is crap. Falco's never get hit out of it because they stun you with lasers first, thus preventing people from seeing how easy it is to counter that move. Lasers out of the way falco wouldn't be using that move nearly as much IMO.

 

[Mister Eric]

Hate to reask, but it's been 12 days. If you can't help, it's okie <3 ^_^
My question again:

Hellu Fox Boards, you might be seeing me a lot here in the next little while asking questions about your character and how they perform on a certain stage.
Character boards seem to cycle through incomplete MU threads to new ones in hope to update them and finally complete them. This is the R.O.B. Boards attempt at completing a sufficient stage-discussion thread and I'm going to try my best to get accurate and thorough information, but I'll need your help. This will be the only question with an introductory. I just wanted to say hello and let you know that if you guys need info on anything for R.O.B. don't hesitate asking. ^_^

Anywho!

Q: How does Fox fair off on Delfino Plaza in general and against R.O.B.. Why is it good or bad? What can Fox abuse and what might possibly annoy you that R.O.B. can do on this stage? On a scale of 1 - 10, what do you see Fox's chances of doing well on this stage against R.O.B. 1 being the worst for you 10 being the best.

thanks guys =]
<beep3

 

[DarkAura]

sorry i didn't answer before but i have absolutely no knowledge on the R.O.B matchup, or how fox does on delfino.

 

[Cherry64]

sorry to take away from SRS BSNS, but someone needs to re-post a jenkins sister pic. I feel too left out

 

[Talon]

sorry i didn't answer before but i have absolutely no knowledge on the R.O.B matchup, or how fox does on delfino.

I may be able to give some highlights.I'm no expert analyst,but I can say Fox vs. R.O.B match-up imo is about 60-40. Fox has speed to boot as well as being able to send back any of the robot's projectile assaults (especially gyro being the main chain link to his attacks) and puts pressure on R.O.B to either chase after Fox or play safe and take the risks of having his projectiles launched back at him. The MAJOR issue with Fox in this battle is Fox's poor recovery. R.O.B gets him anywhere near a ledge or off stage you might as well suicide.lol.The chances can vary. As far as delfino plaza goes,my assumption with Fox on this stage puts great odds against him but there are variable advantage points of the stage that can work in Fox's favor.In stage terms regarding the main transport of the platform stage,it's really nothing but a moving battlefield with a few slight modified platforms during gameplay.The areas around delfino can give Fox an advantage to add pressure to his opponent by trapping them in an infinite shine (very rare but capable) between walls if he catches the opponent off guard or gimp his opponent,edgehogging etc. Overall, I believe the situation of the battle really depends on stage knowledge and what to do and what not to against your opponent. Fighting R.O.B on delfino is a disadvantage imo.Fighting MK is just plain suicide,any character with good air control or any floaty for that matter.

 

[DarkAura]

sorry to take away from SRS BSNS, but someone needs to re-post a jenkins sister pic. I feel too left out

I don't even think there is one... if there is it was posted before my time.


And thank you talon for answering that.

 

[luke_atyeo]

hey guys, quick question, I've heard around that fox can ac bair on shield into a dsmash and that its a frame trap, but I cant seem to pull off the timing for it, can I get a confirmation that this works and some tips on how to pull if off.
thanks.

 

[Talon]

hey guys, quick question, I've heard around that fox can ac bair on shield into a dsmash and that its a frame trap, but I cant seem to pull off the timing for it, can I get a confirmation that this works and some tips on how to pull if off.
thanks.

I've worked my brain power to try and solve this puzzle to ac bair into shield and have come up with.....nothing.. T_T God I've been trying to master it for some time now.

 

[DarkAura]

i do believe that it is a frame trap and that it does work, i personally have never bothered to attempt it but if buffered perfectly i can imagine it working.

just snap your thumb straight down to the C-stick after Bairing that should buffer it in time.

sorry, it's the least i could do. If i had a working wii i would have tested before answering

 

[Choice]

if you're having trouble with the AC bair press up on the analog stick and back on the c-stick at the same time. its like the easiest way to do short hopped aerials starting up as soon as you jump. this requires tap jump on though.

 

[Talon]

I've tested it with my own personal set up. It may very person to person,but the fastest way for me to land the frame trap was to set my L-trigger to attack and tap jump off. I was curious last night and found it worked better in my favor since I've discovered I have a faster reaction time to ac bair and more ac aerials to boot. This may just be a personal style I've managed to master,but it doesn't hurt to try it out. It may actually do some good for others. Good luck.

 

[DarkAura]

That does sound like a good idea, however it probably is only good for you and a few others as barely anyone is open to modify their control scheme to do one thing, i swear im the only one who has completely revamped my control scheme so i can pull off everything sexy fox can do.

to anyone who has L free and doesn't use it to shield, it can offer you a fair bit when it comes to performing aerials, say goodbye to not being able to auto cancel Uairs/anything else that may give you trouble.