How do I do a Barrel Roll? ~ Fox Q&A (Check the OP)

[RPK]

. . .So. . .Whats the best way to Sh auto cancel uair? I cant do it consistently T_____T I even have tap jump off, and I am short hopping the way I always do. However, sometimes instead I pull off a full hop. It is probably because of the analog stick being held up when I do the short hop. So if I do that, I accidentally full hop instead. I can easily do this standing, but when I go into a run I, almost always, do a full hop and its just really annoying. And if I do it too fast, I get an upsmash.

Whats the best way to do a sh auto cancel uair out of a run? Tap jump is off.

 

[Fenrir VII]

gotta do the claw, at that point...

first finger on a jump button, and thumb on A or C-stick... I really don't know that you can slide to the C-stick in time to do it from a jump button...

Either that or slide from jump to A, and use the up input on the control stick...

I personally can only do them very consistently from a SH with the control stick... but that's just me.

 

[AKC12]

i just use L as jump button and use the c stick. doesnt work for me any other way.

 

[Razmakazi]

you have to buffer the grab if you want it near inescapable

common bad things? usually mess up Rising Fair on recovery and dying from it, messing up short hopped lasers (making them land with lag, punish that) and they tend to over use drill and uptilt set ups

how exactly do you go about the business of buffering the grab? do you just press Z at a certain point in the dair or do you kinda do the gay triple graze button thing that ppl use for DDD infinites?

 

[Uzima (Uzi)]

how exactly do you go about the business of buffering the grab? do you just press Z at a certain point in the dair or do you kinda do the gay triple graze button thing that ppl use for DDD infinites?

just as your drilling hold L and spam A.

 

[Charoo]

. . .So. . .Whats the best way to Sh auto cancel uair? I cant do it consistently T_____T I even have tap jump off, and I am short hopping the way I always do. However, sometimes instead I pull off a full hop. It is probably because of the analog stick being held up when I do the short hop. So if I do that, I accidentally full hop instead. I can easily do this standing, but when I go into a run I, almost always, do a full hop and its just really annoying. And if I do it too fast, I get an upsmash.

Whats the best way to do a sh auto cancel uair out of a run? Tap jump is off.

The way I do it is I hold up with the control stick. Push jump then attack. Everything gets buffer in and everything comes out auto cancel. Full hop one I just push up on the control stick to jump then A.

How about we trade your SHTL for my SH AC Uair haha

oh and for the killing % thingy. We should really take di + mc into the lsit instad of just raw killing %. I think the standard rule is that di + mc adds about 10-15% to the char. depending on the weight.

I know dedede can survive an up smash at 122% if di + mc correctly.

 

[MrLopez]

Hey guys! Can you help me out? I'm havind some trouble with the SHDL. I know how to do it but I can't move while doing it, in some videos people can do it really fast while going forward and backwards. When they land it looks like they have this sliding animation. How can I do this? Thanks
This is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHBmldvS-g8

Also I'm having some trouble cancelling the SH Uair. I mean I can do it, but it's really hard to time it. You have to use the Uair very very fast after the jump. And I can't do like 5 after each other like in the above video. Hope you guys can help me out thanks!

 

[DarkAura]

SHDL... man i remember practicing this for weeks on end

First off this is just me but i find reverse SHDLs much easier so thats what im going to explain.

If your REALLY having a lot of trouble i would recommend half speed or 2/3rd speed to start.

Dash forward then short hop then hit back on the control stick AND LET GO THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT then hit B twice once you see the second laser come out Buffer the next dash (hit forward on the Control stick within 10 frames of landing) then repeat.

I hope that helps

Moving forward is essentially the same but without the Reverse blaster.

Since i have uber crazy mad fast hands i can Cstick the Uair and still get it so i can't help you there sorry

 

[Fenrir VII]

I SHDL'ed in Melee. : )

just keep practicing, and working on momentum... you only have to let go of the controler stick to neutral B for a split second, and then, you can keep your momentum

 

[RPK]

You also have that split second where you just let Fox hang in the air before you press the B button twice really quickly. Reason is the exact same as Falco's. So you can get the 2nd laser to be on the ground, and if done right, silent. IMO, if the last laser cant hit a Meta Knight, it's no good.

@Champ
Yeah, thatd be really good. Though I gots no one to practice with. In addition, Upsmash is a lot stronger in regular brawl >_> Even if its only by 5% that is still enough to make those semi accurate. At most, Id place like 5-10% more on SOME those percents. At the very most =/ Though, again, if I could add it, that would be just amazing.

 

[MrLopez]

Hi Darkaura thanks for the help, I tried what you said by holding backwards. But when I hold backwards I will turn around and shoot the laser that way. What am I doing wrong? Thanks

 

[RPK]

Dude...Just short hop one way, and then when your in the air flick the control stick in the other direction. Just flick it so it goes back to it's neutral position. From there, just press the B button twice when Fox is at the peak of his jump. If done right, he'll turn around and double laser.

 

[MrLopez]

Hey RPK. I don't wanna turn around. I wanna shoot that way > and after the 2 shots I wanna slide backwards that way <
I don't wanna turn around and shoot, I wanna shoot and slide.
So can you guys still help me out? Thanks

 

[DarkAura]

oohhhh b-reversal.. can't help ya' sorry i don't even know how to do that

and a B-Reversal out of a SHDL is impossible

 

[Fenrir VII]

Hey RPK. I don't wanna turn around. I wanna shoot that way > and after the 2 shots I wanna slide backwards that way <
I don't wanna turn around and shoot, I wanna shoot and slide.
So can you guys still help me out? Thanks

Hold left right after you SH.
Let go of the control stick,
input B,B
Start holding left again.


I believe all you want to do is jump backwards, sort of, and shoot lasers, correct?

 

[MrLopez]

Oh I get it guys! You gotta dash one way then jump turn around in the air shoot hold back and dash again. Sorry for not understanding what you guys were explaining! Thanks for the help!
So it's like this:
> dash, jump ^, tilt <, 2 shots, tilt >, dash > repeat Right?

Oh and I'm trying the SHDL with a silent one at the end. I can do it sometimes, should I just practice it a little more? To get the timing down?
I've got another question how can I do a SHTL? I know not a lot of people can do it, but how does it work?
Oh and what about the B-Reversal? How does that one work?
Thanks!

 

[DarkAura]

Theres a few ways i choose to do it the incredibly hard way but iv gotten it down but theres an easier way

I use X to jump then i whip my fingers and very quickly hit B (this is very hard, i don't recommend this if you wanna learn i had no other choice)

Most people who can do it use Y to jump and they slide their finger to B and hit b really quickly

i also have another method but i use this in more competitive situations (tournaments, MMs, Serious Friendlies) cause doing it the other way is something to brag about but i mess up a lot more so when it really matters i go for performance not style. I switch L to Special and just hit X and L at roughly the same time and it's works very well.

 

[Fenrir VII]

I claw it... use my first finger for the jump button...

there's several ways to handle it... and honestly, I don't find SHTL all that useful, so I don't usually use it. just me, though..



B-reversal:

Hit B THEN left or right very quickly... for a normal turnaround laser, you hit left, then B... this is the reverse of it, and it's also a lot tighter in timing...

You can use it to REALLY change your falling trajectory...much the way Snakes use it with grenades to avoid combos...

 

[luke_atyeo]

wow I just lurked this page and holy ****, you fox players must have some mad tech skills

 

[MrLopez]

Hey! I tried the SHTL, it's just like the canceled Uair, you just gotta hit b really fast after jump. The last one of the TL will be a silent one that way. But I can't always do the cancelled Uair, it's still kinda hard. Just need some practice
And thanks for the B-Reversal! I will try it out!
Thanks guys

 

[DarkAura]

anytime MrLopez

@luke AWWWW YEEEAAHHH fox is tech skill crazy IMO

 

[Zhamy]

wow I just lurked this page and holy ****, you fox players must have some mad tech skills

Fast fingers.

Anyway, it's all practice. If you can't do it, go to training mode, set the speed to 2/3, and try it. Once you can do it perfectly there, go take a break.

Do it again at 1x speed.

 

[luke_atyeo]

anyways quick question, whats the timing needed to cancel the illusion, I can never seem to do it, even if I mash b super fast straight away... is it just me?

 

[DarkAura]

mashing B right away is not effective plus you don't know if that will cancel it at the start, midway or at the end and that usually defeats the purpose because it's mostly used to mindgame and be unpredictable... so it's useless if you don't know where your going before you go.

I don't know the Exact frame's i just practice it in training mode. It takes a bit of time to master

 

[luke_atyeo]

ok thanks, I'll sit down and work it out the hard way

 

[Ingulit]

Full Hop > D-Air + Fast Fall > Shine a true/legitimate combo? I need it for something, if it works.

 

[DarkAura]

it's a true combo starting at 14% no fast fall needed

 

[luke_atyeo]

lol the more I read this stuff the more I'm liking fox, he is fun to mess around with but I'm try him out for srs play.

so this true combo above would you then be able to JC upsmash out of the shine in the same combo?

 

[DarkAura]

no

lamebrawlhistunjohns/cantcancelashinewithjump/toomuchknockbackonshineunlesstheresatimer/idont100%understandthequestion

 

[luke_atyeo]

oh right, sorry I keep forgetting you cant jc the shine, too much melee fox

 

[crifer]

soo
Does anyone of you guys tried jabjab cancel into upsmash?
I try it often and it works, idk if this is a true combo or for some characters just a frame trap or maybe just a failure of the player.
I did never get the combo parameter at the training mode to recognize it,
and if I really think about it, it can not combo, bc upsmash should be too slow.

Thoughts?

 

[DarkAura]

it's not a true combo unfortunately and i refrain from using it because your opponent will usually have a Jab or jump buffered from trying to get out of the JJC and most jumps/jabs come out faster than 8 frames which is where Upsmash starts usually resulting in them getting a free shot at you.

However don't completely stop using it, mix up your jab game every once and a while and end it with a smash

 

[DaomarIsBear]

Couldn't find it anywhere, might not have been looking hard enough, but I was just curious. What's the Olimar vs Fox match up like? What's the ratio looking like?

 

[DarkAura]

oh god

my least favourite match up the old info states 65:35 olimar i say it's like 80:20 olimar

i play olimars all the time so i know how to fight them quite well but seriously fox gets *****. If you want help with the match up i can tell you a bit about it

 

[DaomarIsBear]

I'd greatly appreciate it. Oli*** ***** me.

 

[DarkAura]

alright... well The first thing that gets to pretty much any Fox user is the fact lasers are useless in the match up heres why:
SHDLs travel too high
SHLs need precise aim, something you should NOT be concentrating on
SHTLs Get block by pikmin
Standing lasers get blocked by pikmin

Really the only time you should laser in this match up is when olimar camps, you camp back your lasers block the pikmin majority of the time but still i would try to approach despite the fact that's what they want, unfortunately it's your only choice.

Now he ***** our already meager approach options your only legit options would be Nair, Dash attack, Illusion :\, a fastfalled Fair (one or 2 legs hit), And a riskier on would be drill. Now you may think that's a lot of options but they are ALL risky so expect to get punished.

Now What does fox have on olimar? Tilts... seriously i say this all the time cause it's true tilts destroy small characters, Why? because they almost always hit and are safe options and they lead into a fair bit of things. Up tilt is fundamental with every match up. Side tilt leads in upsmash, drill, Nair, Dash attack it's up to you to be creative. Down tilt is easily the most undrestimated Tilt learn how to space it and get the comboing sweetspot (white tip of his tail) and it's a great move it leads into any aerial.

Offstage is Fox's **** zone in this match up olimar has no edgegame, just don't get spiked be above him at all times and watch out for his UpB cause it WILL stage spike you in most cases not much to be said here, shine spike or nair.

Olimar has one start up combo most mains use it's Downthrow>Fair the second you get Dthrowed at low percents DI Away form olimar as much as you can cause this really hurts fox at lower percents.

Olimar's kill power is completely broken he can kill you at like 60 percent so play very carefully. Space well and even though i said lasers are useless i still move with SHDLs because it gets the slightest more damage than doing nothing so still use those. Just either be VERY agressive or Very defensive.

Thats all i could remember for now so i hope that helps

i would get some video's against an olimar for you bu i haven't uplaoded any of mine so sorry bout that.

 

[DaomarIsBear]

Lol, well I was trying that match up completely wrong. Thanks a bunch, I'll be sure to try this stuff out.

 

[DaomarIsBear]

Double post, I know, sorry, but is there any chance someone could link a vid on how to camp properly? Because, I'm camping, I'd just like to know whether I'm camping the right way.

 

[DarkAura]

there is no certain way to camp.

Camping is situational, luckily for fox he can turn any situation into a campable situation.

Fox has the ability to move while camping and fire projectiles at different levels which is why he's one of the best campers.

let's say your facing snake, if you see him readying grenades you can pressure camp him by approaching with short hopped lasers or you could force him to approach you with standing lasers.

Basically camping is making sure your doing damage and your foe can do damage to you, If they're coming to you and you wanna camp use reverse short hop double lasers, if you wanna go to them while building damage approach with SHDLs... seriously you can call whenever you shoot lasers appropriately camping

 

[Zhamy]

You want someone easy to practice basic camping against? Get a Peach that's around your level. Make sure they float, pull turnips, etc. etc. Go to Smashville. You should be able to force Peach into bad situations where she's either forced to come in at uncomfortable angles or eat lasers.

The reason I say Peach is because she's relatively slow, and lasers are ridiculously effective against her.

This is kind of what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzU8i5LBlk&feature=channel_page