quick everyone play as much lol as you can
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I lol'd.quick everyone play as much lol as you can
If the enemy jungler:lol u dont need smite sometimes
its like those smash players who are like "never roll, rolling is noob" and they dont realize its situational
if u have cho lux or even like annie, u can do super damage with one spell, even more than lvl 18 smite true damage
in a perfect world u should always drag buffs into bushes and ward the river sooo
yeah there is an argument for not taking smite. so far u have
-ridiculed people for not taking it with a bad analogy
-said there was no argument
very decisive. I dont want to be a **** but its definitely situational whether u take it..
A jungler taking smite always has a definite advantage over a jungler who doesn't. The amount of times I have seen dragons, barons, red, and blues stolen because of not having smite (or just having it up). If the enemy is competent (and you should always assume so), then you need to take away their advantage.lol u dont need smite sometimes
its like those smash players who are like "never roll, rolling is noob" and they dont realize its situational
if u have cho lux or even like annie, u can do super damage with one spell, even more than lvl 18 smite true damage
in a perfect world u should always drag buffs into bushes and ward the river sooo
yeah there is an argument for not taking smite. so far u have
-ridiculed people for not taking it with a bad analogy
-said there was no argument
very decisive. I dont want to be a **** but its definitely situational whether u take it..
don't worry, you're not being any more of **** than I am. I'm not taking anything personally.lol u dont need smite sometimes
its like those smash players who are like "never roll, rolling is noob" and they dont realize its situational
if u have cho lux or even like annie, u can do super damage with one spell, even more than lvl 18 smite true damage
in a perfect world u should always drag buffs into bushes and ward the river sooo
yeah there is an argument for not taking smite. so far u have
-ridiculed people for not taking it with a bad analogy
-said there was no argument
very decisive. I dont want to be a **** but its definitely situational whether u take it..
i consider blue dependent as in starts at blueBy blue dependent do you mean they require blue at early jungle levels (1-6) or they continue to require it after the first blue? Udyr really only needs the first one while Amumu tends to need it throughout the game.
as I said... high elo players know smite on junglers is non-negotiableIf you are jungling, you take smite. Period.
Getting buffs/objectives stolen isn't good. If you lose your buffs, or didn't get dragon because you don't believe in running smite, then it's entirely your fault when your team's going to start lagging behind because their jungler is underleveled, or underprepared to gank due to lacking buffs.
If you're jungling, run smite, it makes it much easier, and prevents counterjungling.
don't worry, you're not being any more of **** than I am. I'm not taking anything personally.
but anyway I don't like talking a ton about smite because it's a tiring and unfulfillable discussion to have and it's been had many many times before. you ask anyone who's high elo and they'll tell you that there are no exceptions to the "take smite" rule and there are a whole bunch of reasons for this.
so, fine, I'll humor you, here's why.
Early
Early smite does 2 essential things:
1. prevents your buffs from getting jacked by an opponent with smite
2. speeds your jungling up by a substantial margin
1 is the one that is most often used to try to explain to someone why you need smite and that's because it's the most potentially devestating scenario where you get punished for not taking smite. If you've ever played fiddle without smite and had your blue smite stolen early in your last drain, you know this scenario well because not only have you wasted time to give your opponent gold, xp, and a buff, but now you're low with your drain on CD and he's probably just FBing you without any effort whatsoever.
2 is also essential, but something that is frequently lost on players who just jungle for the sake of jungling. Jungling is about trying to get the most efficient gold/exp gain outside of a lane while giving your team global presence. When you're taking your sweet time to actually finish the jungle, your team is getting ganked by the opposing jungler and you're falling behind on the opposing jungler until you get your razors (in the WW scenario). I don't care if your jungle speed after first clear is barely hurt by not having smite, you're finishing at least a minute late because of how you have built around not using smite. Just think about how pissed you'd be if your jungler was DCed for the first minute after creeps spawned (is this analogy appropriate enough for you?). This lack of speed is unacceptable when you're trying to optimize your role. Embrace the fact that your role is a jungler and build towards it.
Both of these add up to a tl;dr that is, "a good player with smite will counter jungle you and make your life a living hell on you early if you don't take smite"
Mid/Late
Securing Dragon/Baron without having to use an ult is hugely important. Just think about the dynamic of a fight after you smite baron right before the opposing lux's ult tries to jack it. They're now down an ult and you're down nothing of consequence AND you just got Baron while they had no legitimate shot at it because of your summoner spell. If you're relying on your Lux to do this while you're being proactive about trying to secure baron, just imagine the devastation of a Shaco decieving in and smite stealing right before the Lux ult.
The only ability you actually listed that comes close to serving the same role is Cho's Feast because it's 1K true damage vs. minions, but aside from that and Nunu's Consume, there's nothing that can actually imitate what smite does and even losing Cho's ult to secure a buff is taking a reasonably large chunk of your team's potency and sacrificing it to make up for 1 summoner spell. Just think about what you're saying here... you're saying that you'd rather have to put an Ult nuke on CD to make up for 1 summoner spell that you're going to be spending on a Flash/Ignite on your WW? Really? You need to get your priorities straight here... having a feast to insta-kill someone is way better than either of those things on WW.
What it all boils down to is that jungling is a role in and of itself and doing it as efficiently and safely as you can is important and smite is needed to do so.
at lower levels of Melee, you don't need l-canceling, just pick Marth and fsmashok situational then
at lower elos u dont need smite
there hey look ty for (almost) proving my point
u keep acting like dragon is gonna be some huge contested smite steal thing
well in all of my games usually u get two kills and dragon
or ww solos it at lvl 8.
so narrow minded sigh
The ONE champion that could possibly go without smite- except when he has smite he can now steal buffs at a ridiculous pace, safely, with an amazing escape.the only champion i would even consider jungling w/o smite is nunu (because he has a built-in more powerful smite). but i still use smite because i don't have the best runes for him, and it lets me steal buffs and so on.
when opening by stealing wraiths, smiting the blue wraith is pretty standard. mostly you're right, but there are situations where you're just trying to use smite's CD (right before backing or when ****ing with their jungle and trying to be hasty) and your only choice is to use it on large wolf or blue wraith.Also- using smite on anything that isn't a mini golem, a buff, or an objective (dragon/baron) is a waste. I don't understand why you'd even imply someone would hit a wraith with smite instead of burning it with one of their skills.
NuNu sacrifices his main jungle advantage by not taking smite. having double the instance true damage nuking ability on creeps is important to why he's strong in the jungle and giving this up just makes you a bad version of another jungler who runs smite.the only champion i would even consider jungling w/o smite is nunu (because he has a built-in more powerful smite). but i still use smite because i don't have the best runes for him, and it lets me steal buffs and so on.
if you start at red and have your boxes popped run over to blue drop 2 boxes and goI quit jungling with Shaco after I got my boxes popped for the 10th time... it's so frustrating.
you have been my absolute favorite poster recently.at lower levels of Melee, you don't need l-canceling, just pick Marth and fsmash
doesn't mean we should encourage it.
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1. still had smitei just mm with this 800 win ww who used smite flash and ***** nice. but im low elo so it doesnt count
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at low levels of melee u get ***** if u do that LOL. Low level of melee = people will wavedash oos grab u lol im low level melee and ill wd oos grab a marth every time for that.