Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Turazrok]

mmmmmmmm

I need to play more ranked.

 

[solecalibur]

thanks everyone for the help/tips.. i hear the community is really elitest but you guys were great, who's a good tank character for beginners, Mundo?

The name of the game currently is tanky dps not tank, normally two tanky dps can cover a tank role and provide the damage the tank couldn't. If you like mundo I recommend 3s with him as I have been told he is a god of 3s.

 

[DanGR]

is chauster the AD player or not?

Yes he is.

Also, wat Shaya said bout Nidalee.

 

[Sinz]

Ok. out of these 4 champs which ones would get me to lvl 30 the fastest. I'm stomping the majority of my games ever since i started playing solo without my room mates. I have Mordekaiser, Gangplank, Annie, and Chogoth bought. I'm just wanting to get out of this ezpz stuff

 

[UTDZac]

Our heimer went mid against orianna with flash heal...and beasted... i dont even

 

[Sinz]

How did Orianna lose a lane. The hell.


EDIT: HOLY **** THATS MY COCASTER FOR HON ON MAOKAI.

edit2: which of the money trickle items is best? I've been getting philosophers stone on everyone but dps carries in which i get avarice blade. But which one is the best of the group?

 

[Shaya]

I've seen heimers beat both orianna and brand in lane several times.

His "viability" may actually be at an okay point right now, its just taking time for people to adjust.
(Actually the buffs that came out this patch weren't that strong... maybe that buff to his ultimate is actually really really good?)

 

[Vyke]

Heal itself really isn't as awful as people make it out to be. It's just near useless late-game.

 

[Nashun]

Heal itself really isn't as awful as people make it out to be. It's just near useless late-game.

...Then it's just as awful as people make it out to be.

 

[straight8]

his laning is ridiculous against melee champions and a lot of casters

problem is u have to kill his turrets.. and that can be difficult. if youre a caster then your wasting mana and missing cs while doing it. and his harass is strong too. he just gets ***** in ganks and his teamfight relies on turrets..

 

[DMG]

Heimer is just incredibly good at laning. Not surprised that he won vs Orianna. I mean, I'm surprised she LOST, but yeah it's pretty hard to lose most lanes as Heimer.

Last buff wasn't incredibly strong, was basically what his ult "should" have done for a long time. His overall laning and early team fighting has been buffed over time since he was nerfed. Still think the CD on turrets is a bit high and his AP ratios/CD's not in proportion with other casters just yet, but we'll see what they do.

Biggest change with his Ult is that if a team fight goes somewhere else and 2 turrets are down, you can run to where the fight is/will be/might be and put down a frost turret to help out.

 

[Shaya]

well 500 heal isn't bad, 250 for those around you.

Could have sworn the mastery used to make it do 100% healing to those around you... but they changed it at some point I guess.

It also heals minions... it would "kinda" be okay for a tower dive push.

 

[DMG]

you are thinking about the clarity mastery lol

Heal after the nerf IIRC was made to scale down to prevent hard abuse. WAY back in the day wayyyyyyyy back then.

 

[Shaya]

5 team members with heal =
1500 burst heal in a team fight per person.
LOL.

Honestly, that still sounds uber easy to abuse.

And yeah, I know clarity has that, just thought that heal also used to have that. I was around for that heal metaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

 

[_Dice]

Heimers ult buff is crazy good. now they can do the whole keep both turrets in his backpack, ult then put them down, instead of having to put them down first and then ult. gives alot of strength and hits. i've noticed heimers dealing about 300-600 damage that they didn't use to do (at lvl 6)

also had a 2-6-28 game as leona. i love having a competant team (we had 0 CC except leona, and man she is enough when you have THAT much damage.)

 

[solecalibur]

I've seen heimers beat both orianna and brand in lane several times.

His "viability" may actually be at an okay point right now, its just taking time for people to adjust.
(Actually the buffs that came out this patch weren't that strong... maybe that buff to his ultimate is actually really really good?)

vs'd an ok one recently with yorick but the thing is, he sucks late game. Hes good laning and split pushing but thats it

 

[S l o X]

evanms ***** *** *****. don't flame me because i'm having 500 ms pings in the morning and don't want to do ranked 5s.

thanks.

 

[Leacero]

Our heimer went mid against orianna with flash heal...and beasted... i dont even

*points back a few pages to my post saying Heimer is going to be the new shiz*

 

[john!]

*points back like 50 pages where i said heimer was mad underrated*

anyway about these smashboards 5's teams... do you look for players that excel in one role, or players that can perform multiple roles fairly well? i.e. do your teams have 1 designated jungler, 1 designated ad carry, etc. or are you all just good players who play every role?

 

[straight8]

heimer isnt underrated. theres still no reason to pick him over annie brand orianna morde malzahar unless u are going to try and split push against a team where no one can 1v1 him.

he can poke too but others are better.

 

[Leacero]

But he can heal turrets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[straight8]

WOW I DIDNT KNOW SO OP

also whenever im jungler i smite his turrets the minute he puts one up. or i yell at jungler on my team til he starts smiting them

if youre playing a heimer, u can always get a smite on your carry or top laner, and make his teamfight god awful. smite both turrets and 5v4

 

[Shaya]

I would say theres not much point picking Heimer over malzahar/brand, who outdo him in damage, pushing (malz especially) and poking.

Other mages... not so much.

 

[M3D]

Free brand week = so many bad brand teammates.

 

[Pikaville]

It also meant me not being able to play him because people would get there 1st!

I'm over halfway to having enough IP for him now.

Brand seems like he is amazing early>mid game.

But is generally outclassed late game.

 

[UTDZac]

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Not exactly sure how it works. It's server side (others can see it too) so it might be risky attempting this and getting banned.

 

[Shaya]

other users cannot see you using an alternative skin?

 

[MacD]

that happened to i think hotshot

he accidentally ended up as urgot but had the choice of sona skins

 

[MalcolmM]

I actually had that happen to me with noxus poppy. I'm positive that everyone can see you using the skin because it was in a premade and we were all freaking out about it the entire time. Also in the YT description it says...

"This trick is NOT client side, it is server side. It does not unlock the skin, it only allows you to use the skin."

 

[john!]

probably just that the client loads the skin selection data/interface before registering which character you are

so you can pick "skin_002" for teemo really quckly, and it will see "skin_002" and see that you are playing soraka and give you a soraka skin instead

edit: WOW shurelia is at it again lol

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1102898

gg soraka

if anyone ever plays her again they should just build abyssal/deathcap, and initiate battles by spamming starcall lol, that might actually be good

 

[Shaya]

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1102898
"Soraka and Sona changes (SUSTAIN NERFSSSSSSSSSS)"

High level play discussion between myself and dan for those who want to **** their eyes!

Spoiler

DanGR (3:48): w/e
did you see the soraka changes?
shurelias a *******
HiyaShaya (3:50): no?
DanGR (3:50): http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1102898
she's ****** soraka
HiyaShaya (3:50): keikaku doori
holy **** 75 pages
DanGR (3:51): read astral blessing change
gonna make soraka ****
HiyaShaya (3:53): zomg, max mres debuff is now 120 instead of 160 ****ING NERFS
DanGR (3:53): <.<
HiyaShaya (3:54): lol
DanGR (3:54): Q change did nothing no one gonna level it anyways
HiyaShaya (3:54): meh theheal change... kinda ****ty
the reason its strong right now is because of the ****ing armor buff
being op as ****, now its 125 armor...
DanGR (3:54): and on a 20 sec cd
HiyaShaya (3:54): TRUE, but its too strong atm anyway
DanGR (3:55): shes gonna suck balls early
HiyaShaya (3:55): infuse buff... lol.
***actually no, a nerf, no longer doubles on yourself trololol
THEY'RE NERFING THE AP RATIO ON SONA'S HEAL? ****ING
DanGR (3:56): ya so basically
*** late game
onvm tought you were talking about soraka
***half ap ratio on soraka heal double the cooldown 5 more base heal
***wooptee doo
HiyaShaya (4:02): that ****ing armor buff
is ridiculous though how the **** are you meant to ****ing KILL HER or the ranged carry she's supporting with them having 125 armor bonus* that equates to so much ****ing higher scaling on her heal
DanGR (4:03): if you heal urself then you're doing it wrong, and
HiyaShaya (4:03): its like orianna's shield giving a shield in hp as well as armor/magic resist
DanGR (4:03): you burst the carry down with ap when they have a soraka
HiyaShaya (4:03): ****ING AP
DanGR (4:03): you realize
HiyaShaya (4:03): EZREAL NEEDS MOAR GOOD MAGIC SPELLS
DanGR (4:03): they're halfing the ap ratio right?
HiyaShaya (4:03): yes, but generally soraka doesn't need to buy ap anyway
***she -can- and that makes her impossible to beat late game
IMPOSSIBLE
DanGR (4:04): she does need it late
HiyaShaya (4:04): but thats a good thing, because late game soraka with a death cap is gg. you cannot win fights against her team shes broken in that regard.
but yeah, they're gonna kill her viability with those huge changes
DanGR (4:04): they should hit the late game then
HiyaShaya (4:04): iguess tarics gonna get owned too, maybe nidalee too
DanGR (4:05): ya
HiyaShaya (4:05): **** YEAH NIDALEE NERFS
DanGR (4:05): .
HiyaShaya (4:05): <3
HELLO MY NAME IS SHAYA I MAIN SHACO AND EZREAL
DanGR (4:05): what they need to do to nidalee is nerf the ap ratio of heal or uh the att spd or something
if they **** her heal she'll be **** in lane because she has no spells she can use to harass. hit the later heal amounts keep the base on it at lvl 1 nerf later amounts if they touch cougar i want spear buff for harass and make it do less damage at max range
ANYWAYS, i have no say and most people suck vs nida anyways
no one dodges the pounce or swipe
HiyaShaya (4:09): HOW DO YOU DO THAT? ..........
.............
DanGR: gank early cuz she has no escapes till 6
***also dont pick stupid **** in champ select that isnt viable anyways
HiyaShaya (4:11): hHAHA
DanGR (4:11): most of the people that complain are veigar mains and crap
HiyaShaya (4:12): a nidalee can snowball quite easily in terms of control. early game rage blade?
DanGR (4:12): ya
HiyaShaya (4:12): gg tower
gg harassing her
gg trying to hurt her
gg because she will out damage you
DanGR (4:12): thats a problem with rageblade
***not nidalee
***2300 free gold in stats?
***please
HiyaShaya (4:12): lol
***rageblade ezreal all day
***:3
DanGR (4:13): GRB is ALMOST efficient enough to get on casters
***that dont autoattack
HiyaShaya (4:13): I'm aware.
DanGR (4:13): **** RIOT
***nerf grb
HiyaShaya (4:13): Rageblade+ Ezreal
DanGR (4:13): change it
***make it 4 stacks
HiyaShaya (4:13): does more damage than bloodthirster
DanGR (4:13): and give less a bonus
HiyaShaya (4:14): but
***nerfing rageblade
***kills any sort of hybrid potential in this game
***know why rageblade is ****?
***its got soooo many free stats
***err not rageblade*
***hextech gunblade
DanGR (4:15): buff all the people that need grb
***or something
***in return for nerfing grb
HiyaShaya (4:16): some points are coming up about soraka
***36 mr in 5 seconds
***125 armor
***much stronger silence
***IMO they're killing sona harder than soraka
DanGR (4:16): who uses q?
***LOL
HiyaShaya (4:16): the fact that its useless
***says something
DanGR (4:17): its useless because soraka is squishy as hell
HiyaShaya (4:17): i see what they're trying to do
DanGR (4:17): not because the damage isnt good
HiyaShaya (4:17): soraka will have to be 'closer' to teh fight
***and not just be trolololol wing and ulting
***once per fight to guarantee victory
DanGR (4:17): so that forces you to build tanky
***and not heal
HiyaShaya (4:17): thats fine
***is it not?
DanGR (4:18): she's support
***she doesnt farm
HiyaShaya (4:18): exactly
DanGR (4:18): they need to make her naturally tanky
HiyaShaya (4:18): tank items are cheaper
***and CDR comes with tanky items
***2.5 second q at 12 magic resist debuff
***have 40% cdr...
***1.5 seconds dshredding 12 magic resist
***thats actually a really strong thing in team fights
***and doing things like baron
***40% cdr also gives her a 2.5 second silence every 6 seconds
***thats also strong
***IMO they're good changes, maybe a bit too much heal nerfing
DanGR (4:19): in return for making her early game ****
HiyaShaya (4:19): mm
***well... armor buff
***makes her save a carry from ganks a bit better
***but stops the carry from being unharassable
DanGR (4:20): how does her lane partner harass 2v1
***?
***with her heal on a 20 sec cd
***tell me that
HiyaShaya (4:20): remember, the other heals are being nerfed too
DanGR (4:21): ok
HiyaShaya (4:21): but her silence got buffed
DanGR (4:21): forget taric sona
HiyaShaya (4:21): meaning she has a reasonably okay form of cc
DanGR (4:21): janna vayne
***how to haras sthat
HiyaShaya (4:21): mm
***janna 2op, only reason she isnt considered the best support atm is because of the heal meta. they'd prob nerf her shield or something. LOL.
DanGR (4:22): probs
HiyaShaya (4:22): to be fair, they'd have to increase the cd on her shield a lot, but then tanky dps hard cc duos will rule the universe again
***i think they're cutting numbers a bit too much.... support + carry is just going to be replaced by support + hard cc tanky dps. but support atm is too strong anyway, people have been -seriously- considering running duo support in games TSM runs zilean in mid and another support at bot
DanGR (4:23): ive seen crs do taric sona
HiyaShaya (4:24): europe runs double support too i've been in games with double support (sona + taric) and they got fb followed by constantly owning soraka + ashe always full health, could never get ganked
DanGR (4:24): counter heals with MORE HEALZ
HiyaShaya (4:24): scale reasonably well with less gold
mm well they nerfed heal debuffs too much IMO if they made executions more viable
DanGR (4:25): they should rework ignite or something
HiyaShaya (4:25): they wouldnt need to nerf the late games of supports this much yeah ignite seems a little UP atm just about anyone bar mages run exhaust instead
DanGR (4:26): reduce the CD by a ****-ton and take away the damage or something I DUNNO something
HiyaShaya (4:26): junglers are running smite + ehaust over flash or ghost which is lolsy

 

[PhantomX]

Hightlights from china qualifiers, i don't know the details on the tourney or w/e it is

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Nice to see Galio and Cho'Gath seeing some play. They are both pretty underrated champs.

 

[DMG]

Well, Sona's healing got nerfed no matter what you try to do to supplement it. Soraka's heal number wise is better unless you build more than 50ish AP, but the CD is also doubled. I don't like the armor buff getting stronger. 100 bonus armor you can grant someone at Level 7 is a huge amount. Even though that's only for 5 seconds and the overall duration she will be able to keep it up on someone with max CDR is nerfed, that is a lot of armor to be able to give a carry mid game and even late game. I would have preferred seeing the armor duration extended a tad more to say 7 or 8 seconds, but kept the boost the same.


Edit: Galio's been getting some laning buffs. His ult still isn't as good as before (unless I've missed some big buffs on his ult) but his mana costs and AP ratios have been slowly buffed back. Also probably getting more love as an answer to more AP solo's flying around.

 

[Shaya]

I saw galio's ult actually hurt people the other day.

Coloured me surprised.

 

[Vyke]

Peeps be over-reacting to support changes. disclaimer: not final

This community be scurred.

 

[DMG]

I mean, if that overreaction gets them to change their plans and refrain from nerfing that far (at least as far as Soraka is concerned since she can't output damage like Sona can in case either of them got healing ****ed), then yeah. Of course it's not final, but I'd rather people vocally express that they would hate it/think it's a bad idea if things go that way instead of waiting for the changes first and waiting a few patches or weeks for changes to get reverted and do this all over again.


From what it looks like though, they aren't increasing Healing over a period of time, nor are they increasing burst healing. Sona won't heal for as much either way, Soraka will burst heal for a bit more as long as you keep under 60 AP or so. But the increase in burst healing isn't worth the CD increase and the armor buff and the lower AP ratio so she can't attempt to scale lategame where a 350 ish heal on a 12 sec CD with max CDR frankly won't be good enough.

 

[DanGR]

Peeps be over-reacting to support changes. disclaimer: not final

This community be scurred.

Personally, I'm just reacting to the changes Shurelia posted. Double cooldown on her heal would wreck her laning phase really really hard.

Think about it this way. Doubling the cooldown on it is WORSE for laning than just halving the heal on it because of the armor buff it gives. Imagine soraka with half the healing in laning phase. Why would you ever pick her? Her only utility aside from healz is a nasty silence.

They buffed her Q. Isn't going to make a difference laning.
Overal nerf to her E, which is only gonna make her laning even worse.

Not to mention HALVING the AP ratio on her heal. IIRC, good soraka players get AP runes. If you take that into account, the small base heal amount buff isn't even gonna make up for the AP ratio nerf, as far as laning goes.


In return, armor amount increased... yay...


Also, Shaya, we're not high level yet buddy

 

[Vyke]

Post this **** in a place where it matters, in the discussion thread or in the discussion channel where she watches. It's simply another case of the community not being satisfied ever. Of course you can choose to not trust, but at least do it with some dignity.

 

[DanGR]

sorry.


thought this was a league discussion thread.


what is this place for again? X_x

 

[N64]

it's for