Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[ShroudedOne]

Are gp10 quints still legitimate on supports anymore? Somehow, I feel like they're taking up a huge spot that I could replace with movespeed, or AP (Sona, Nami, Lux, Lulu)...or more armor (especially since the change in ambient gold, I've been thinking about this a lot) . But I'm not sure if I want to remove them. Is philo all the gp10 I'll need? I'd do math but I'm far too bad at math for that.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

looks like someone runs oom with Talon, and doesn't play him.

I've used the character before and judging by how many Talon players cry when I don't give them blue buff, I'd say he runs oom a lot faster than say, Fiora.

 

[Vyke]

I know some professional supports like to run flat HP quints for lane sometimes, but that's all I really looked into it.

 

[MrEh]

Madlife only has one page with GP10 in it. lol

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/28846315#runes

It's Madlife though. Clearly he knows what he's doing.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I've used the character before and judging by how many Talon players cry when I don't give them blue buff, I'd say he runs oom a lot faster than say, Fiora.

Most midlane casters should get outlaned by aps if they don't get blue. Talon def needs blue.

 

[Asdioh]

Wow, Mogwai already posted an article on this subject. He's really serious about this:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3267218

Wow, you got me.
(but i've already read this before)

 

[Coney]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOnG7flrE-4

;(

 

[DallasPhat]

I thought madlife NA account was MiG Madlife

 

[Player-3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOnG7flrE-4

;(

 

[Soft Serve]

Blue ezreal kiting makes trundle really sad.

 

[Zano]

thingken off fast

 

[Sinister Slush]

So, why don't more people play kennen as an adc?

Cause better off going AP compared to AD since they nerfed that.
Closest to it you'll get is building Dblade in lane to survive.

 

[Shaya]

Its amazing how the 575 range thing really gave kennen the niche to play AD. Arr well
Did they also gib his Base AS/per level gains too or something?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Nope, still got the best overall core AS in the game, discounting abilities (I think including passive boosts like leveling abilities as well, but not positive). Highest starting AS class, and really high end increases which results in the people with higher increases have signifigantly less base and end up with less at level 18. Teemo, akali, and shaco come pretty close, but the only other ranged ADC that comes close are tris and ashe who get better AS at level 18. they need to be about 2/3rds of a dagger to equal out though tris has rapid fire.

Both of them make up for having signifigantly lower base AS by having higher growth, so the lower level the more drastic the difference.

 

[Wave⁂]

Pretty much every good AD carry has an AS steroid

From this, I predict that AD kennen is bad

 

[Player-3]

Its not bad

 

[Z'zgashi]

Pretty much every good AD carry has an AS steroid

From this, I predict that AD kennen is bad

Caitlyn, Ashe, Corki, Sivir. Urgot too I guess.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'll give you Cait and Urgot, but Ashe and Corki have AD-scaling skills on low cooldowns (eventually low, in Ashe's case) to make up for it. And Sivir has her ult.

 

[Sinister Slush]

Cait's base AS was nerfed anyways while urgot is the same case as Ashe and corki with his Q.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Forgot twitch, dude's base AS is really high, but not quite as high as kennen's.

Pretty much every good AD carry has an AS steroid

From this, I predict that AD kennen is bad

Well, ADCs that don't have AS steriods:

Ashe, Cait, corki, vayne.


Also, you gotta consider varus has less AS when the minion version is active, and only half a dagger more AS when he killed a champ.

edit cause ninja'd:

I'll give you Cait and Urgot, but Ashe and Corki have AD-scaling skills on low cooldowns (eventually low, in Ashe's case) to make up for it. And Sivir has her ult.

That more is their general playstyle, neither ashe's volley nor corki's rockets really replace an AA, The former gives kiting potential, the latter gives poke and burst damage, it should be considered versus kennen's other advantages, not just dismissed as "basically equivilent to an AA steriod", that's silly.

Edit 2, and urgot is an AD caster/anti-carry anyway. He just lanes in the ADC slot.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Ashe is a horrible ADC, I cry a little when I have to support one.

*some guy hovers over ashe*
me: dear god please don't use ashe
ashe: you're ok *locks*
me: ... support Caitlyn
ashe: omg wtf you massive troll

I think Ashe ADC is more troll then support Caitlyn but w/e.

 

[Ussi]

Ashe was good before every champ came with a gap closer

Even now, her ult will win games as its an amazing initiate still

 

[Coney]

ashe is good

 

[Player-3]

wat ashe is nowhere near garbage... shes okay

 

[Plum]

Ashe is good because her ult is crazy good still.
Even her kiting just isn't what it used to be, now that every bruiser/assassin has seventeen gapclosers, and enough damage to instapop tanks.

 

[john!]

Ashe is a horrible ADC, I cry a little when I have to support one.

*some guy hovers over ashe*
me: dear god please don't use ashe
ashe: you're ok *locks*
me: ... support Caitlyn
ashe: omg wtf you massive troll

I think Ashe ADC is more troll then support Caitlyn but w/e.

if this actually happened then you're kind of a douchebag

 

[Espy Rose]

It was normals. Who cares?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Her ult is great, but she just gets completely mauled both in lane and teamfights.

I consider her to be probably the worst ADC in the game imho. Quinn excluded.

 

[Leacero]

if this actually happened then you're kind of a douchebag

I agree with this.

Ashe is good. Just go flash/ghost and get distortion boots somewhere around your 1st BF and shiv. You'll have ghost up every team fight and flash up every 1.5 teamfights, and this is assuming you blow them in each. She's a lot better than you give her credit for.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Maybe she's better than I'm giving her credit for, but still, I think she's a subpar choice and her low mobility makes her similar to Kog'Maw.

 

[Wave⁂]

Saying that Ashe is good suggests that most (or at least half) of all AD carries are worse than her, which I don't agree with (unless we're counting **** like AD Annie).

 

[Coney]

that's if you're looking at "good" comparatively

i think AD carries are well-rounded and even though ashe may be comparatively worse, i still think she's good

 

[Ussi]

Well since thresh exists, you can always use Ashe with him. Oh the CC horror with that combo. And an escape for Ashe!

 

[Espy Rose]

I like Ashe. As a jungler for most of my games, I appreciate bot lane giving me easier ganking opportunities, and Ashe is really good at setting up some easy kills because of her ult.

 

[JTB]

the best part about playing ashe in solo queue is that if you kite really well, you win team fights even if you do no damage because teams will tunnel on you while the rest of your team cleans them up

 

[Ussi]

Ashe isn't bad at laning phase either. 600 (2nd longest range for an actual adc) is nothing to scoff at. And her volley poke gets agravating if she has a support to work with her. Lulu/Soraka/Janna all work well with her

 

[Asdioh]

Her ult is great, but she just gets completely mauled both in lane and teamfights.

I consider her to be probably the worst ADC in the game imho. Quinn excluded.

Quinn's so bad you don't even include her?

(I think Corki's worse, I never see those guys do well, but Ashe can poop on faces)
Also Ashe's volley poke is REALLY annoying. I'm all like "haha it won't hit me behind this minion" but then it does anyway.
I think I'ma play Kogmaw more in soloqueue.

 

[Player-3]

ashe does fine in lane...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I forgot Corki existed :<

He's pretty bad too, Rioto should.throw him a couple of buffs to make him a little more viable.

Anyway, does anyone know how the hell thornmail works and how I can counter it? Last night I was in a game and three people on the enemy team bought it (I was 6 BT fiora, no boots op) and I was still killing myself on it. lol

 

[adumbrodeus]

People underestimate ashe a lot, if for no other reason she's good cause arrow is incredible.