Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[john!]

It was normals. Who cares?

he made it sound like draft mode, which led me to believe that it was ranked.

still kind of a **** move even in normals though. ashe is better than most heroes as an ADC, but cait is worse than most heroes as a support.

 

[Asdioh]

Anyway, does anyone know how the hell thornmail works and how I can counter it? Last night I was in a game and three people on the enemy team bought it (I was 6 BT fiora, no boots op) and I was still killing myself on it. lol

Armor pen and magic resistance? It does magic damage so magic resistance helps a lot against it. It's kinda designed with countering lifesteal in mind, contrary to the belief of people who just say "oh just lifesteal through it"

And man I forgot how fun Kogmaw is. Always getting kills with ult because people at my elo move so predictably.

 

[Geoberos]

For a moment I thought there was a cap on life steal percent, but went ahead and checked the wikia and there isn't.

Also checked Thornmail, reflected damage is calculated before reduction and life steal is calculated after reduction so life steal will reduce but in a nut shell shouldn't overpower Thornmail. Unless someone's got some number ready.

 

[Shaya]

I find it really surprising people think Corki is bad.
That ult buff makes him a real terror. Hello new rocket every 5 seconds with high CDR with a big one every THREE.
He would probably bit a lot closer to insane if his rockets did physical damage (synergy with blackcleaver after that would be ridiculous)

 

[KuroganeHammer]

... Corki kinda looks like Mario.

Edit: With goggles. And a plane.

Actually he doesn't really look like Mario at all.

Also thanks Asdioh and Geoberos for the Thornmail info. Might build Maw when I see people buy it.

 

[Shaya]

For a moment I thought there was a cap on life steal percent, but went ahead and checked the wikia and there isn't.

Sion is pretty good when he reaches 160% life steal.

 

[Asdioh]

Also thanks Asdioh and Geoberos for the Thornmail info. Might build Maw when I see people buy it.

I tried searching "counter thornmail" on the LoL forums and I saw a lot of "build lifesteal" and "build armor pen" heh. Armor pen obviously helps but I think you'll still take a bunch of damage.
But yeah hexdrinker, wits end, probably good ideas against it.

 

[Espy Rose]

Corki looks more like Dr. Robotnik, actually.

 

[MeekSpeedy]

remms or afk

 

[adumbrodeus]

Got mog's answer on stream for my question, it's "I don't know, I think he's perfectly viable as an ADC because his base stats are really good and his base AS is just bananas, I think this is problematic because it's part of the reason he's so successful as an APC, he can just hit people".

Paraphased due to poor memory but main idea and pretty much matches my thoughts on him atm.

edit: Well I guess viable isn't the word for my opinions, I think he's really strong as an adc. Weaker scaling then some but a really good laner.

 

[Asdioh]

(you're talking about kennen still right?)

I'm thinking about reevaluating Karma. Her winrate is still low, but it looks like she's taken as a support most of the time, and she's a pretty crappy support. I've seen her work well as tanky AP top, and I want to work on that. Build her similar to Elise. Her Q has 260 base damage in an aoe on a 5 second cooldown, that's a pretty darn good base. Her heal on W is pretty good right now if you build some health, and it might even be getting buffed if the PBE build goes through. Core items I'm thinking Sunfire, Zhonyas, (Athenes or Spirit Visage depending on how bad her mana problems are, and her mana cost on Q is being buffed on PBE as well) and Liandrys.
Also I think her W still works while she uses zhonyas :O

edit: karma ****ing blows never mind. Can't even survive against a yorick

 

[Z'zgashi]

I'll give you Cait and Urgot, but Ashe and Corki have AD-scaling skills on low cooldowns (eventually low, in Ashe's case) to make up for it. And Sivir has her ult.

Forever ago, but I havent been on since then so Im answering now lol. Those are AD Casters not AA steroids, completely different playstyle. I was just pointing out not having an AA steroid =/= bad. And Sivir I forgot her ult gives her AS.

Also, as an ADC player, Id say best ADCs atm are like (and not in a specific order) Caitlyn, Draven, Ezreal, Miss Fortune, Varus, and Vayne, right behind those guys are Ashe, Graves, Kog'Maw, Sivir, Tristana, and Twitch, Corki is kinda meh atm (hes not bad but I feel hes worse than basically every other adc by a slight gap) and Quinn is the worst adc because shes actually more of a bruiser anyway. Im not including Urgot because he doesnt really 'adc' he just goes bot lane, but if I had to rank his viability id say hes probably in the second group but towards the top of it.

 

[Ussi]

:| Quinn is fine as an adc! She wins early game in most lanes (Caitlyn and Ashe are troublesome). Teamfighting is where she falls off. She's the best adc for picking people off though. So jungle warfare works well with her.

 

[Asdioh]

The problem I have with Quinn bot lane is that I NEED my support to be extremely aggressive, and they're usually not.
And Harrier ****ing hates me.

 

[Z'zgashi]

As someone who loves Quinn (I had a pic of her as an avi for like, a month and a half after her release even) shes pretty bad in the adc role in comparison to other adc's. Adc's need to be dealing the majority of raw damage in fights, and she just cant team fight well at all, so that right there is why shes the worst adc imo. While her laning is good, good laning =/= good character, just look at heimer or leblanc for example (not that either is awful, but theyre both definitely on the weak side). A lot of good adc's are also good in laning while still being a threat later, like Cait or Draven, and some are even bad (or less good) in laning like Vayne or Sivir. The problem with Quinn is that she relies WAY too much on early game dominance to be a late game threat, and quite frankly her kit doesnt work well enough for the adc in the current meta.

 

[adumbrodeus]

(you're talking about kennen still right?

Ya, his trading in lane is really strong, has hard CC, and is pretty much undiveable, not to mention the offensive uses of the ult as a playmaker even if I'm behind. I think there's a fair number of APCs have great kits for ADCing but lack the base stats to support it. Well Kennen has the base stats to support it.

 

[Ussi]

How to Quinn adc: do not have a team that relies solely on Quinn to damage (aka protect the carry comps). 3 damage threats (top, mid, and adc) usually work cause Quinn is good at expending all of a team's resources to be focused on herself, then the rest of her team cleans up. (Pretty much how i win my Quinn games that reach late game)

... Yea this comp is can also work with Quinn in top/mid too lol

 

[adumbrodeus]

Well I mean, that's sort of the point of having her top. Using her teemo-like laning phase while still having an ADC that doesnt you know, jump into people to escape.

If they wanna make her actually lane bot, I like the LOD idea of making her untargeted ablt during vault.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yeah Kennen works just fine as an adc.

And no one is saying you cant make Quinn work, but the fact that you need to basically custom fit a team for her otherwise she doesnt work is the reason shes the least best imo. Shes too situational or requires being in a completely different lane in order to do well.

 

[Zero_Gamer]

How would you guys feel if Entropy (the dominion BF sword+phage item) made it into Summoner's Rift?

 

[Espy Rose]

I miss Madred's Bloodrazor.

 

[Z'zgashi]

RIP in peace Heart of Gold

 

[Soft Serve]

Doesn't Quinn have the same base stats as Darius?

I love her to death but even Riot agreed she was rushed. A relaunched is already planned.

The only reason to play Quinn over instead of like, Vayne, is when you just want to split push and ignore your team.

 

[Player-3]

quinn would be good if her E wasnt a liability instead of a usefull skill

 

[Asdioh]

I love her to death but even Riot agreed she was rushed. A relaunched is already planned.

Citation needed?

 

[Leacero]

innervating locket, the world hardly knew ye

 

[Shaya]

How would you guys feel if Entropy (the dominion BF sword+phage item) made it into Summoner's Rift?

Entropy is -kinda- a worse version of spirit lizard thing (obviously with better stats due to being quite close to TWICE THE PRICE). Didn't have it's slow duration nerfed like the other phage items though. Would probably be built in Summoners Rift if it was there, unlike in dominion in which it just plainly isn't (assholes would get Lizard + Entropy.. i.e. ezreal players). But in terms of active it just tends to feel a little underwhelming. I guess I never really tried it more than a few times, perhaps the ease of hit confirming a 30% chance slow into the active is a pretty standard affair.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Doesn't Quinn have the same base stats as Darius?

lol, no, theyre not even close, where'd you hear that? xD

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Quinn
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Darius

 

[Soft Serve]

Citation needed?

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/05/ironstylus-talks-quinns-design-and.html#more

lol, no, theyre not even close, where'd you hear that? xD

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Quinn
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Darius

yeah i have no idea, someone was just trolling me. Never really went to look it up.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I don't see where it says she'll be relaunched.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Relaunch Team
IronStylus also commented on the relaunch process as a whole, saying:

"...It's a big task, but we're up to it. The team is always growing, and it's changing. I'm taking on 3D currently, going to try to be a rounded character artist which can handle concept, modeling and texturing. We've recently nabbed a new animator. VFX is our bottleneck at the moment. They're an awesome team but VFX artists are hard to come by, ​

We'll grow, and we'll take on more. We currently have 2 big pushes we're on right now, and 2 more in the immediate afterwards of those. The thing is it's actually easier than champion development because we're not dealing with mechanics most of the time. The last relaunches have come with a host of kit reworks. That complicates things. When things are more explicitly VU's, that's when we have a lot of smooth sailing. Good case being Sivir. Mostly Visual changes, nothing balance related at least not that I'm aware of. The opposite example is Sion. He's a major project.​

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Relaunches can sometimes take less than 2 months to do. Champions can take 6 months to a year depending on how long each phase of ideation/pre-production/production is."​

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I don't see where it says Quinn is getting a relaunch.

I'm not trying to be dumb, pls don't judge.

 

[Z'zgashi]

It doesnt straight out say it, it just very heavily implies it.

 

[john!]

it's not official until voyboy accidentally says it on stream

 

[Ussi]

She doesn't need a relaunch, just a fix to E.

I always saw Quinn's E the same way i see gap closers. You can interupt them.. Quinn's E just takes too long when team fighting and won't help in a multidive. So prehaps speed it up depending on the number of visible nearby enemy champs? And when the enemy dashes of some sort, GG your position is under their turret. Need to have her return in the direction of the mouse cursor. This does give her a double dash towards her turret if she can E onto a enemy minion that she ran past though.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like her E in solo lanes when I can force proc her passive twice.

In team fights, eh, I usually change to valor in teamfights and run at the ADC if I'm not split pushing.

 

[Wave⁂]

Off the top of my head, I can think of Rengar, Xerath, Heimer, and Sion as champions Riot has mentioned they want to rework or are currently reworking.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Xerath is fine though.

 

[Wave⁂]

not according to riot he isnt

 

[Chaco]

Riot can suck it. Better not mess with Sion. AD Sion AttackSpeed/Life Steal is <3.