Grand Old Thread: League of Legends!

[Plum]

I'm trying to be a good guy, and support because somebody actually chooses support like, one in ten games it feels like.
But I swear every person who calls AD is incompetent. No level of support can fix their problems.

 

[Player-3]

live againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn telu

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm trying to be a good guy, and support because somebody actually chooses support like, one in ten games it feels like.
But I swear every person who calls AD is incompetent. No level of support can fix their problems.

Word.

Just make plays and communicate as much as you can and work with it.

Kill lanes def help.

 

[Asdioh]

Garen is so good. It's amazing how I take no damage even though my only tank items are sunfire and bulwark. I feel so much squishier on most other tanky champs with those items.

 

[Boofy!]

Garen is so good. It's amazing how I take no damage even though my only tank items are sunfire and bulwark. I feel so much squishier on most other tanky champs with those items.

Because you are. W passive my man.

I love garen, and I love that noone seems to know to build a hexdrinker against him.

 

[Z'zgashi]

i feel like if you play enough and you're good enough with them you can get to high elo with any champion except like...ten maybe?

EDIT - actually more like 5

Which 5 would you say are included in that?

 

[Sinister Slush]

That and if they call AD, go ez, and blue build. You're most likely going to lose.

 

[teluoborg]

Word.

Especially in bronze I (where I belong), I often see people trying to go full whatwasonlcslastweek. Needless to say they lose.

 

[Mogwai]

I honestly think there's a lot more depth to character power on ARAM than people are willing to acknowledge. Also Xerath is bat**** insane in ARAM.

 

[Espy Rose]

Depth in ARAM?

 

[Wave⁂]

I'd guess he's talking about how a team with four melees gets their **** pushed in for 15 minutes until Pantheon gets a half-decent ult, leading to an easy ace.

 

[Player-3]

jayce best character on aram imo

 

[JTB]

You Spelled Nidalee Wrong

 

[Leacero]

galio bulwark

 

[Player-3]

no, jayce is definitely better than nidalee, nidalee overrated as ****

 

[Plum]

Much easier to dodge spears than Jayce's ****, and Jayce has much much better all in.

 

[Espy Rose]

Jayce is also a playable character.

 

[Shaya]

Galio kinda GOES IN in ARAM.

 

[ShroudedOne]

no, jayce is definitely better than nidalee, nidalee overrated as ****

Yes. 100% yes. Gate shot Qs are ridiculous, and he also has a good all-in.

 

[Niko45]

It's amazing how ezreal went from being **** to carrying so incredibly hard with a couple of build adjustments *cough*muramanaisbroken*cough*

 

[Shaya]

A build finally came out which Ezreal could get 40% CDR and have a mana pool and actually not be ****.
It's taken 3 years but the items finally came to be.

 

[JTB]

y'all just bad at skill shots

nid also has stupid sustain

 

[Niko45]

A build finally came out which Ezreal could get 40% CDR and have a mana pool and actually not be ****.
It's taken 3 years but the items finally came to be.

lol wut. He was THE op champ in season 2. He's only been weak for like a few months.

 

[Shaya]

I don't know when an ezreal going for high/capped CDR and mana (because he would require it) was ever truly viable for him. He had a spat for a while going brutalizer/frozen heart, but it never truly kicked off. He would still have mana troubles even with FH back then.

 

[Coney]

Which 5 would you say are included in that?

these are all loose but just my opinion

fiora (all other melee ADCs have some janky way of doing well with)
gangplank (rarely dominates lane, crap shoot if you'll be useful in fights)
heimerdinger (maybe i'm wrong here)
karma (just...don't know)
maybe olaf (now maybe? not sure about this but i see his win rate sucks and i never see him anymore)
quinn? (melee adc = lol, idk after her buffs tho)
sion? (sion's so binary)
warwick (maybe top but...he's so...OLD)

maybe throw in sivir (again, just...OLD) and zilean (only 1 dmg spells, hard to carry)

 

[Zano]

WHO IS READY FOR SOME 1V1 ACTION??

bro

 

[Soft Serve]

Quinn has some good matchups bot lane and brings more to the team than, say, Fiora, so she's not an instant lose. The problem is that she doesnt peel well for herself, something that Vayne, another late game hyper carry with the same range, can do. Teamfights for Quinn are basically just positioning super safe and doing typical adc stuff, saving ult for if you need to re-position really fast, Pick off the enemy adc immediately if he is seperated, or clean up. Her kit is more fitting of an assassin tbh.

 

[Asdioh]

Meh, even those champs you listed I can see doing well in solo queue. It's feast or famine. A farmed GP with like, Shiv+IE+whatever does INSANE damage with Q. And I assume it's a gimmick, but I've seen AP gangplanks wreck face. Also just had a Karma top lane against a Pantheon yesterday, I assumed she would feed but she built tanky AP (was like, sunfire cape+liandrys+stuff) kinda like an Elise might, and she was actually amazingly useful, I might need to reconsider Karma.
And Quinn... I sometimes play her but if my support isn't properly aggressive then I can't really win lane as hard as I'd like. It's true though, even if she gets fed she blows in teamfights. She can splitpush and take towers really well, but you don't really want your adc away from the team doing that. I've had people tell me to build her bruiser, but I can't see her doing sufficient damage to be useful like that.

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Master Yi not on your list? I guess people have finally basked in the holy light of Sword of the Divine.

 

[Coney]

Quinn has some good matchups bot lane and brings more to the team than, say, Fiora, so she's not an instant lose. The problem is that she doesnt peel well for herself, something that Vayne, another late game hyper carry with the same range, can do. Teamfights for Quinn are basically just positioning super safe and doing typical adc stuff, saving ult for if you need to re-position really fast, Pick off the enemy adc immediately if he is seperated, or clean up. Her kit is more fitting of an assassin tbh.

i feel like quinn is just...fundamentally stupid. adc with melee ultimate, was a cool idea i guess but nobody had made it work yet, and for all the theorycrafting people are doing (omg best split pusher) there are no results

keep in mind my opinions are just that, and are mostly founded on my climb up the ladder and what i see in tournament play in case something i personally don't think is valuable actually is by high level players...i wouldn't think gragas would be a good pick at all, he's in the bottom 10 win rates for a while, but i think if you're good enough with him you can climb

Meh, even those champs you listed I can see doing well in solo queue. It's feast or famine. A farmed GP with like, Shiv+IE+whatever does INSANE damage with Q. And I assume it's a gimmick, but I've seen AP gangplanks wreck face. Also just had a Karma top lane against a Pantheon yesterday, I assumed she would feed but she built tanky AP (was like, sunfire cape+liandrys+stuff) kinda like an Elise might, and she was actually amazingly useful, I might need to reconsider Karma.
And Quinn... I sometimes play her but if my support isn't properly aggressive then I can't really win lane as hard as I'd like. It's true though, even if she gets fed she blows in teamfights. She can splitpush and take towers really well, but you don't really want your adc away from the team doing that. I've had people tell me to build her bruiser, but I can't see her doing sufficient damage to be useful like that.

you can use anecdotal evidence for any champion doing well, it's about doing well consistently. i just don't think gangplank has the tools to consistently win his lane or even get the farm he needs to reach that point. if you're really good with him you can get high sure, but i'm talking about like...master-level vampyro specialist stuff.

i'm talking about like, someone with a ton of games on just one champion hitting diamond. for those 10 champs i just...don't know if it's possible, or at least would be much harder than just picking something actually worthwhile

this convo started when i was talking to HAT (the melee player) who wanted to know about sivir as a champion. sure, she's not TERRIBLE and you can do well with her/be good at her, but...why

Master Yi not on your list? I guess people have finally basked in the holy light of Sword of the Divine.

was thinking about it, but AD yi top can be a headache for solo q up until a point when people start getting good (he excels at that pseudo-good elo where everyone has egos, when everyone sees 1 single person pushing top, even after u kill all 4 and have 5 people pushing bottom, they overreact and all go back instead of just winning the game)

but a very good AP yi can climb well, i think

 

[Niko45]

Ehhh you should probably play something that carries pretty hard if u want to win consistently in ****show games where no one really knows what they're doing.

 

[Coney]

o ya i'm not saying don't play the OPs

i'm saying if u like, absolutely love any champion but those 10, u can definitely be a feared specialist if you're good enough

and even with those few u maybe can, it'd just be...surprising, unprecedented

like in brawl no character was really fun to me but DDD and it sucked cause he kinda sucked, loyalists/specialists in league don't have it quite as bad

 

[Ussi]

Gangplank is amazing in teamfights once he gets an iceborn gauntlet. with 40% CDR and his raise morale passive, he's pretty much Ezreal 0.5

i feel tempted to try blue gangplank LOL

 

[Coney]

o ya, add poppy to that list i think

 

[JTB]

speaking of gp, vvinrar from reign of gaming climbed from silver to plat (and still going.) only playing gp

His smurf name is best player br if you want to check it out

 

[Shaya]

Yeah I think GP is workable because he realistically doesn't lose lanes. He shouldn't ever win them either (because you need to max out W against everyone).

Last hit 6 creeps with tiamat q = +500,000 gold, instant nexus explosion.

 

[Leacero]

i guess i will be busy with fisticuffs for quite a while

 

[Player-3]

Ima have to fisticuffs with you about gp Coney he's my *****

Put up ur dukes

 

[Coney]

you'd better not, i'll butter your bean and serve it to u cold i will!

 

[Vyke]

o ya, add poppy to that list i think

Can't add Poppy, Zekent already has her covered