Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Silent Wolf]

any other fox players wanna mm at pound?

find me:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/otto.bisno

 

[JPOBS]

you look like the guy from The Social Network

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNsw5J4KfuA&feature=feedu

vs. marth. tourny match. advice? we play alot but we both def. tried here

lol he also looks nothing like social network guy

 

[L__]

you're playing too much around the edge against marth imo

you need to learn when pursuing is a bad idea and when it is a good idea

imo you're just too unnecessarily risky offstage


those are the general ideas I got from it =/

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

cool thanks I definitely noticed the risky-ness of it, I guess if it was more against someone I didn't play often I wouldn't have done it so much, but I felt more comfortable. either way no johnzzzz, anymore halp?

 

[Brookman]

wtf did you wall jump? was that an accident?


@ 1:09 you run off and shine mid air, then double jump. Be pro and double jump > AIR DODGE down.

@1:20 nair > up tlit is your friend. Unless the Marth can Cc. I dunno if I saw this guy CC at all yet.

@~1:25 SOOOO MUCH SQUANDERing

@~1:40 get *****. j/k. I'm gona advocate taking the edge and using the invincibility here, rather than trying to evade marth's infinite reach on yoshi's.


@~2:00 no up throw?? down throw even??

Taunting on the cloud is a win condition for matches in CT.


the next to games pretty much came down to you being the better player but not necessarily playing well either. g2 was a mess. The 2nd and 3rd matches looked really casual.

 

[Palpi]

Trahh, I love your fox.

4:36-4:42 was pretty sexy...until you killed yourself.

 

[Silent Wolf]

i dont look like that guy lol

 

[Palpi]

Silent Wolf, I just want to let you know that the first 2 videos I introduce people to, when explaining them to competitive melee are Revolution and All Systems go

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

thanks broooksy, 2nd game was indeed a mess.

and thanks palpi! :DD f-air ftw.

 

[unknown522]

any other fox players wanna mm at pound?

find me:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/otto.bisno

you look like the guy from The Social Network

i dont look like that guy lol

Mark Zuckerberg.

or however it's spelled.

So, with a last name like that, you're italian right?

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Lol, he doesn't look like mark nor the actor, i think you guys need a better look at ottoooooo

GL at pound canada!

 

[Silent Wolf]

Silent Wolf, I just want to let you know that the first 2 videos I introduce people to, when explaining them to competitive melee are Revolution and All Systems go

thanks

Mark Zuckerberg.

or however it's spelled.

So, with a last name like that, you're italian right?

im not italian. idk where bisno comes from, couldnt find it on any name origin sites.

 

[Sinji]

you look like the guy from The Social Network

lol, socail network

 

[FoxLisk]

yo trahh

you ledgehop aerial too much. that marth sucked at punishing it but yeah.

you also challenge marth's dd in kinda bad ways. you dash attack or nair (which is fine when your opponent can't CC) and you don't overshoot enough. one time you tried to running grab his DD which is just suicide.

you pick dair almost every time even when bair or nair is better, like when you edgeguard and dair shien instead of bairing him back off stage

 

[Evoke]

any other fox players wanna mm at pound?

find me:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/otto.bisno

You look like a total bro.
I added you, I'm the one with the pikachu-squirrel picture lol.

I'm going to a smashfest-type party on Saturday, and I'm playing against a Samus/Falco player.
Are there any tips for either? Mostly Samus though since once Falco's off the edge I pretty much win the stock.

 

[omgwtfToph]

be very aware of all the different times that samus can do stuff to you when you're on the offensive (cc dsmash, or throw out a nair to stop your combo) and attack smartly so as to get around those options

 

[Silent Wolf]

im not your average bro

 

[KAOSTAR]

^^He aint!!! He aint!!!

 

[JPOBS]

SW:

Mark zuckeberg (in social network):

Problem?

 

[Silent Wolf]

i dont even look like that anymore tho. havent for a while.

i could def get my hair to look exactly like his tho LOL

 

[Metal Reeper]

^^ROOOOFL that was amazing.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

cutepobs

10pobs

 

[unknown522]

Lol, he doesn't look like mark nor the actor, i think you guys need a better look at ottoooooo

GL at pound canada!

thanks man.

also, I never said that he looked like him. I just stated the name.

thanks


im not italian. idk where bisno comes from, couldnt find it on any name origin sites.

ah, alright.

 

[Sinji]

wow twin brothers. lol

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

yo trahh

you ledgehop aerial too much. that marth sucked at punishing it but yeah.

you also challenge marth's dd in kinda bad ways. you dash attack or nair (which is fine when your opponent can't CC) and you don't overshoot enough. one time you tried to running grab his DD which is just suicide.

you pick dair almost every time even when bair or nair is better, like when you edgeguard and dair shien instead of bairing him back off stage

LH aerial on the offense, or defense?

So i can't nair or dash attack or grab him or anything during his DD game?

 

[Druggedfox]

Trahh, I haven't seen the match but note that foxlisk pointed out overshooting.

You certainly *can* upsmash/grab/nair his DD you just have to overshoot adequately.

 

[Jimbo Slice]

Silent Wolf listens to Immortal Technique? I feel more technical for listening to Immortal Technique.

 

[Draxraven]

Hey guys can you help me to be better in Peach Match up and Flotties match up in general ?I don't really know how to fight against a good Peach when i use Fox. In fact, nice peach crouchs and use down smash... Or she gimps me again again and again... So i want to improve my Fox against her ? Besides she does nice combo against my Fox... Unfortunately i haven't movies, but if you can help me, it will be nice...

What is your experiment against Peach and a Samus too ?
Are you patient, or do you try to disturb your rival with Fox's speed ?

Thanks for answer.

 

[Brookman]

I'm 100% confident that it has nothing to do with the character but the player.

This is a player vs. player game and if you don't keep that in mind you are doomed to fail.

Fox's bread and butter are move > shine/grab, shine/grab > grab/move, move > move. How you go about connecting these is up to you, just realize that, if your opponent is good, they are probably reading everything you're doing.

Watch as many videos as you can. The more recent the better, although you can always learn from the classic pros like ken/isai/pc/etc. Try talking to the people you're playing against and ask for input.

Work on shffling and movement in general. Try and get everything as tight and precise and consistent as possible.


A general strategy to abide by is: Build percent with laser/combos while avoiding grabs and eventually use an up move for the kill. If possible force the opponent off stage with shines or grabs and attempt to kill with shine/edge hop back air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRhFfED1ulE fox hitboxes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW3S2AwJr8s peach hit boxes

http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130 tournament video forum

 

[unknown522]

Guys, check this vid I made:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12211872#post12211872

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

i love you! glad your showing the ledge invincibility part, i don't see why alot of people don't abuse it lol

 

[EWC]

Nice video Ryan. I like the part about crouch canceling, because for some reason a lot of people still haven't read Doraki's old DI guide and so they don't actually understand how it works.

You should make a combo video.

 

[Sinji]

Guys, check this vid I made:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12211872#post12211872

nice vid unknown. i like 48% combo against jiggs.

 

[Draxraven]

Thanks for advices.
This video is really nice.

 

[Sinji]

I found a good shield pressure for fox. Jab>nair.

0:49

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvuV7aGtPMo&feature=feedu

 

[PK Webb]

Sinji wouldntsay that's new but kinda cool. I think a lot of oos options can beat it tho

 

[Brookman]

jab is so easy to shield grab. Maybe not with link cause his grab is kinda slow but. . .

 

[Sinji]

I know a link player in the ATL that rarely misses a shield grab.

 

[Palpi]

That is great sinji, but jab is easy to shield grab.