Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[ZetTroxX]

What, doing the shinehog and then doublejumping before you grab the ledge? Seems to defeat the purpose of doing the shinehog xD

Maybe it will be useful as a mindgame someday when shinehogging is an essential tool in Fox´edgeguarding-game.

When running to the edge, I used to shineturnaround + waveshine + fastfall at the edge - but the shinehog is slighty faster.

If you´re not running, you also got the PC. -> edgehogging like a boss.

 

[Brookman]

Wenbo, you need to learn how to read, my dude.

 

[Wenbobular]

I'm pretty sure shinehogging will never be an "essential tool" haha
It's nice to have, but not essential
There are other alternatives that are like, comparably fast ... just not quite as fast as this

*Edit*
Sure Brookman whatever <_<
If I missed something you said I blame it on going to bed

 

[L__]

playing fox while in the zone feels amazing

 

[ZetTroxX]

Srsly, that technique needs more attention imo. 1st it´s fast as ****, 2nd it can be used to gimp people. So it´s not just fast, it´s also a move your opponent has to be aware of not to get hit.

If you actual hit your opponent, e.g. Falcon with that shinehogshine - he´s done. You just have to do another shinespike, and you got so much frameadvantage from that shinehog -> easy. I´ve done that several times in freeplay last week.

Somebody should make a video about that...

 

[JPOBS]

Ganon is IMO one of the freest matchups in the cast, even including all the low tiers.

Brookman, iirc turning around is 1 frame, not 4. Just a note.

 

[EWC]

Yeah shine hog is like run shine turn jump slide off.

I practiced it a bunch a couple years ago and was pretty consistent for a while. I find it really hard to do usually though; The timing is pretty precise.

Sometimes you can also get a shinehog out of a wavedash, and it looks really cool. It's like slide I'm shining oh wait now I'm on the ledge swag. It's really tricky though.

 

[Brookman]

ledge swag LOL

 

[Brookman]

playing zone while in the fox feels amazing.

 

[Lovage]

Sometimes you can also get a shinehog out of a wavedash, and it looks really cool. It's like slide I'm shining oh wait now I'm on the ledge swag. It's really tricky though.

yeah lol that's so fun to do

one time i did with falco out of a walk and timed it perfectly to ledgehog jkun and kill him, i think mango said "did you really just ****in do that" LOL

 

[Brookman]

if you short hop and shine a frame or two before landing it places the shine hitbox through the edge. Just something to experiment with. Really useful for dealing with side b in fox/falco matches. can be used vs. marth but there's are usually better options here anyway. falcon . . .don't even need it. sheik is sheik. . . peach, maybe.

 

[ZetTroxX]

if you short hop and shine a frame or two before landing it places the shine hitbox through the edge. Just something to experiment with. Really useful for dealing with side b in fox/falco matches. can be used vs. marth but there's are usually better options here anyway. falcon . . .don't even need it. sheik is sheik. . . peach, maybe.

Didn´t know that I´d like to see the hitbox of that...

 

[Brookman]

magus could help us with that and with the 'dash cancel shine turn around jump cancel edge hog too.

 

[Brookman]

I'm getting pretty good at shining puff's aerials


<_<

 

[LuCKy]

Lucky said he kept running into my **** but for me I just felt like I read him pretty well this time. I don't know.. well I mean when you do a mistake of course you'll get hit, it's melee. >_<

dude i got **** rocked lol i really didnt have time to adjust or do anything at all everything happened so fast. so props to you but ill get you next time ;] i just wish i didnt get so bummed out about it and have to play my losers match like 5 mins after >.> never threw away a match so clean in my life lol

 

[ZetTroxX]

magus could help us with that and with the 'dash cancel shine turn around jump cancel edge hog too.

That would be awesome.

 

[Strong Badam]

Ganon is IMO one of the freest matchups in the cast, even including all the low tiers.

Brookman, iirc turning around is 1 frame, not 4. Just a note.

yeah shine turn is 1 frame. regular turn is 4 tho

 

[Divinokage]

dude i got **** rocked lol i really didnt have time to adjust or do anything at all everything happened so fast. so props to you but ill get you next time ;] i just wish i didnt get so bummed out about it and have to play my losers match like 5 mins after >.> never threw away a match so clean in my life lol

loll, well all I did was my best and I managed to beat you at that time. Next time, who knows.. we shall see. =P GGs.

 

[ShroudedOne]

You learn something new everyday. I'd formerly thought that shine turnaround wavedash was one of maybe a few ways to do this (PC hogging is something I'll never get). Time to go to training mode...

 

[Wenbobular]

Just walk then flick the stick in the opposite direction as you get to the ledge (not enough to trigger the run) to PC hog

 

[ZetTroxX]

So, I need another advice. I discovered it´s really helpful to play vs CPUs as Fox, so your movement gets smoother etc... But I´ve already done this for a couple of months now, is it still helpful? Or is it better to practise specific techskillstuff?

 

[Divinokage]

For Fox, I view it as like Training mode just like in SF. I know Fox requires a ton of tech skill precision so it's good to warm up a little bit before you play serious matches I suppose.

 

[Sinji]

10 min.

It takes me this long to warm up. approximately 3 matches before i warm up.

 

[Wenbobular]

So, I need another advice. I discovered it´s really helpful to play vs CPUs as Fox, so your movement gets smoother etc... But I´ve already done this for a couple of months now, is it still helpful? Or is it better to practise specific techskillstuff?

I don't think practicing on computers to keep tech skill fresh ever loses its value
It's better to practice something specific if you have something specific in mind to practice though (waveshine upsmash on Marth, shinehogs, ledgedashing, whateever)
If there's a technique that I want to implement in game, first step is to do it a LOT in either training mode or vs a level 1 / controller doing nothing until I get the hange of it

Warmups I almost always do vs a level 1 just to get everything up to speed

 

[ZetTroxX]

That´s just the way I practise with Fox - for warm up/general techskill I fight a CPU - if I wanna imply something specific into my game I go to trainingsmode.

 

[Brookman]

can we all agree to call "dash cancel shine turn around jump cancel edge hog" "edge swag" please??

 

[Divinokage]

Do we need to name every single technical variations? lol

 

[unknown522]

I pretty sure I'm the only fox/falco player who doesn't need to "warm up".

I've never made a warm up john in my life (which is kinda surprising, since I john a lot).

Also, Kage I'm at chapter 895 of Ippo. Got less than 50 to go.

 

[ShroudedOne]

It's weird. I either warm up with other characters like Marth or Jiggs, or I play a couple matches, and in the middle of one, I'll suddenly be warmed up. I usually don't warm up Fox by playing Fox.

 

[Divinokage]

I pretty sure I'm the only fox/falco player who doesn't need to "warm up".

I've never made a warm up john in my life (which is kinda surprising, since I john a lot).

Also, Kage I'm at chapter 895 of Ippo. Got less than 50 to go.

Ya but you've made johns about how your Fox can't move, isn't that the same thing? lol. Oh sick, almost there! Did you enjoy it? I'm guessing you did since all the fights were amazing lol.

 

[Sinji]

Oh we were talking about warm up john? I thought we were talking about warming up in general. lol.

 

[unknown522]

Ya but you've made johns about how your Fox can't move, isn't that the same thing? lol.

that's fair.

Oh sick, almost there! Did you enjoy it? I'm guessing you did since all the fights were amazing lol.

yeah, I love it. It's an amazing series!

 

[Wenbobular]

It's way less fun reading it as you go IMO
I read it all in like 2 days and was like man that was awesome

Now I'm waiting for fights to start and I'm just like woooooooooooooooow you just took 5 chapters to throw a punch ... godammit <_<

 

[unknown522]

that description sounded like DBZ.

hahaha

 

[Wenbobular]

That's because it basically IS DBZ <_<
I feel like most fighting series turn into DBZ at some point

 

[Sinji]

yea cause the rest of the anime shows manga etc. lacks creativity.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

yea cause the rest of the anime shows manga etc. lacks creativity.

Lol, kinda silly to state that every anime besides dbz lacks creativity.

 

[Sinji]

Dont get me wrong. I like Bleach and Fairytale. They seem to be doing their own thing.

 

[trahhSTEEZY]

Dont get me wrong. I like Bleach and Fairytale. They seem to be doing their own thing.

mm, i must be still getting you wrong, thats 2 animes out of HUNDREDS, hundreds of which are probably nothing like DBZ.

 

[omgwtfToph]

omg shoutouts to all the foxes at genesis 2

ESPECIALLY OTTO AND LOVAGE IN TEAMS OMG!!! make sure everyone watches those matches when they go up!!!! it was SOOOO AMAZING

also to SFAT for being Ultimate Homie Deluxe status but I dunno if he reads this thread (or namesearches)