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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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Sinji
Smash Master
Just finishing Ryan's vids. Good stuff.
4 Stock on the first match.
the marth player was spamming like XAQ on smashboards.
4 Stock on the first match.
the marth player was spamming like XAQ on smashboards.
unknown522
Some guy
postal editorial
JPOBS
Smash Hero
hi my name is Unknown522 and i 3 stock people who are like top 30 in he world
um...well, if he nairs then ya, cc is cool. Sometimes he will dair or shine though. Falco's dair is pretty good.
FoxLisk
Smash Lord
- Joined
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sure ill critique them for real.... I feel like that was seriously uncalled for...
... Does anyone other than foxlisk wanna help me out? I really don't care that these were recorded back in March, since I'm really no better now than I was then, plus I was playing well that day; and I was under the impression that getting critiqued with videos of me happy with how I was playing would yield the best results.
Do I need to crouch cancel more? If so, where? What situations?
Do I need to pay attention to my opponent more? If so, what situations can I apply this ability more?
You need to crouch cancel constantly against roy. it literally reduces hsi entire moveset to uselessness.
match 1:
:15 you dash danced pretty well and you could have gotten the grab but you ran away again instead. against martht here would have been some risk, but here you could have grabbed and CC'd simultaneously, cause any move that interrupted your grab would ahve been CCable into grab.
:18 the usmash was silly, there was no way that could have hit. a grab might have been your best option, or a nair. maybe weak bair would have linked well, actually.
:20 works out okay but you were not in a position to run up and attack. you were in neutral and should have waited for an opening rather than trying to press the advantage you should have had. he rolled, which could have been an opening, but you were still in usmash lag and didnt have a real opportunity here.
:23 dsmash would have killed him or at least lead to an edgeguard. the weak run off bair was really silly. a strong nair might have done the trick but you should have just taken the ledge and refreshed and edgeguarded.
:29 either believe in your prediction that he's going to stand up and time it properly, or punish with something safer like a grab/shine. good recovery after the throw
:33 WEAK BAIR IS NOT AN APPROACH
tech chasing with a dash attack is not a very good idea unless you cant make it otherwise. it's CCable and requires a hard predict. use grab/shine/usmash/dashdance
:37 is an experience thing. dont jump in the middle of over Bs, they always do at least a couple. your best option is actually to shield grab and hold down and mash CC grab, i think.
:45 what?
:52 full hop weak bair is even moreso not an approach
1:00 throwing an aerial like that when you're landing on a platform that roy can cover is never a good idea. throwing aerials out of desperation when you're coming down from heights is super punishable and should be avoided
1:20ish wd out of your shines bro
1:34 you are really into just throwing moves at where your opponent is from very far away. this is extremely telegraphed and will get you ***** at high levels of play
1:37 spot dodging when you're totall safe is not smart
1:48 was, i think, self-explanatorily ********
1:58 ledgehop dair is always risky and he was already sittingi n prime range to punish it.
2:08 you had plenty of time to sh bair oos (and then get out of there). why did you fullhop dair?
pretty solid finish, if you had gotten that uptilt it would have been ****.
unknown522
Some guy
unknown522
Some guy
not sure. Haven't gotten a human opponent to test it yet.
Palpi
Smash Hero
That is what I was thinking too.
unknown522
Some guy
I'll get back to y'all on that
Why am I not playing Jigglypuff again?
lol but yea, I was wondering the same thing. Oh well beat me to it.
lol but yea, I was wondering the same thing. Oh well beat me to it.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I am about 98% sure you link dash attack after the Uair if they DI away for a lot of those DIs, and I'm about 70% sure you can still link F-smash in some way (shenanigans like pivot F-smash may be required).
All of that is front DI anyway, though. It's the behind DI that has the further horizontal send iirc.
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
The DI behind jiggs goes further on upthrow than the DI forward? I couldn't remember, good to note
Winston
Smash Master
DIing the uthrow behind doesn't get you out of range for rest I think; DI away sends you far. I'm pretty sure KK was talking about DIing the uair
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I was talking about DIing the throw behind Puff because the U-throw sends further going behind than it does going in front.
So I'm not sure she can link Uair if they go that direction.
So I'm not sure she can link Uair if they go that direction.
Wait really? That doesn't really make any sense; With neutral DI the throw sends straight up. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding how the mechanics of DI work... to be fair I've never been totally clear on that. I always assumed it was just vector addition or something.
Edit: Just tested it. You are correct.
Edit: Just tested it. You are correct.
Winston
Smash Master
oh okay cool >__>
Druggedfox
Smash Champion
Its because the throw itself has a different property depending your DI; an obvious example is luigi's upthrow. You can't DI it in front of him; at least not if you hope to achieve anything.
Edit: LMAO Sorry about that, unknown's totally right, I wasn't paying attention to what I was typing.
unknown522
Some guy
you're supposed to DI behind luigi. If you DI away from him, then you'll go straight up.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Thanks, bro!
I'm gonna watch that vid a few times and read this over, see if I can't figure what was a technical error and what wasn't, so I know what it is I really need to work on.
Sinji
Smash Master
Sinji
Smash Master
the sample fox we need to play like.
Fortress | Sveet
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I suggest not trying to play like that lol
Sinji
Smash Master
How come?
Fortress | Sveet
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He wasn't playing fox, he was playing mango.
Palpi
Smash Hero
Mango is stupid. Lots of stupid stuff happened at Genesis lol.
Sinji
Smash Master
I guess you can say a lot of stupid stuff happened at genesis. Everyone was playing for pride.
Mango vs Armada GF
match1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbQk-aokf2k
match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv0YcfTjm8g
match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aaXwDa0W3U
match 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KLdLFhKxk
match 5 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VVZeFPBX0k
Mango vs Armada GF
match1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbQk-aokf2k
match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv0YcfTjm8g
match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aaXwDa0W3U
match 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KLdLFhKxk
match 5 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VVZeFPBX0k
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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If only Mango knew how to ledgedash
Being completely serious, Armada punished his ledge options quite well (or at least, every time he did a ledgehop illusion it seemed)
Being completely serious, Armada punished his ledge options quite well (or at least, every time he did a ledgehop illusion it seemed)
So yeah mango's fox is amazing. It's really impressive that he did as well as he did against Armada, given that
-Mango seemed commited going in to playing hard aggro and was totally unwilling to compromise on that point
-Armada has made his career shutting down that exact playstyle
I really wish we coulda had a set 2, but oh well
-Mango seemed commited going in to playing hard aggro and was totally unwilling to compromise on that point
-Armada has made his career shutting down that exact playstyle
I really wish we coulda had a set 2, but oh well
Wenbobular
Smash Hero
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Stop johning for Mango already jeez
Sinji
Smash Master
I was watching the set and I noticed that Mango SD twice.
Im going with brookman's guide on this one. Brookman's theory for fox is the best.
Im going with brookman's guide on this one. Brookman's theory for fox is the best.
Winston
Smash Master
iamthemicrowave
Smash Master
they are friendlies...they dont matter.
What about them? I mean yeah they're really great matches; Some of the best fox that has ever been played imo.
I'm not really sure what your point is though? Is it just to say that Mango can beat Armada playing aggro fox? I don't doubt that that's true. He didn't do it this time, but he came damn close. I would not be at all surprised to see a repeat of the P4 friendlies in tournament at some point in the future.