Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Kanelol]

I may be wrong, but I believe there is a sort of latency in regard to command inputs in the game. As in, you can't spam a button faster than the game reads inputs and if you do it actually creates larger gaps between registration. I could be completely wrong.

No you're right

but considering that the game reads inputs at 60 a second, it's kind of hard to spam a button faster than the game can handle

definitely possible though, ****s happened to me

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

If you press the button, release it, and then press it on the next frame it will register that you were holding the button down. I estimate that is unlikely happen [for me] though, i think my normal presses are 1 per 3 frames

 

[JPOBS]

You can't smash DI throws besides jiggs' fthrow, so you'd have to be holding it to input DI...

I didnt say smash DI.

I said i just smash the controller when i know/think im going to get grab. For example, if im performing a shffl, I cant simultaneously be holding left/right. But if i "hit confirm" that i whiffed my move, then i immediately just smash the direction i want to be DI'ing so that ensure i did it quickly enough so i dont miss the di.

guess i should have made tht clear :/

also, another effect of "smashing" the controller is that i make sure I f\pressing it as hard as I can in one direction. Im not sure how many people know this, but you get more or less DI fr mthe upthrow depending on how hard/fast your holding a direction. Like you can get varying degrees of DI and some of them can still be rested. Me smashing the stick is just my way of ensuring i get the optimal DI but i know its not smash DI obviously.

 

[Winston]

Okay, but my point is that holding the direction can't possibly be worse than "smashing" it as you say, since smash DI isn't a factor.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

yeah holding it is as effective, not to mention if you are "smashing" it, it is more likely to have your control stick in between neutral and your desired destination, causing sub-par DI.

 

[JPOBS]

smashing was the wrong word.

i should have said tap quickly, flick, hit, move with haste so as to not be caught off guard, etc. :/

 

[V3ctorMan]

Everyone move to AZ! SO we can make a low tier emporium!.. wouldn't that be epic!? <3

 

[Silent Wolf]

nah, the air in AZ sucks

 

[V3ctorMan]

meanie ;_;

 

[PB&J]

nah, the air in AZ sucks

are u going to rom 3?

 

[GOD!]

I estimate that is unlikely happen [for me] though, i think my normal presses are 1 per 3 frames

So you can press and release a button 20 times per second?
On my best day I can only do like 7-8

Also @lovage
When you uthrow hugs sometimes you uair and sometimes you leave him alone. I'm guessing this is because at some percents you can space the uair so that his nair won't hit you. Do you know percents for this or do you just look at the distance and then react mid-match? or am I making all of this up?

 

[ZoSo]

Waiting after the uthrow allows you to punish their double jump if they waste it or at least limit their options in the air, but yes, you can sometimes beat the nair with a spaced uair. The same applies to other characters who don't get combo'd by uthrow > uair (Mario, Luigi, et al).

Also, in their most recent set, Lovage only used uthrow like twice. He mostly stuck to dthrow or fthrow depending on where he landed the grab.

 

[ChivalRuse]

I hear SW has a good Kirby. He would fit in with the AZ crowd.

 

[unknown522]

@jpobs: I'm preemtively holding left/right, yet I still don't go said directions. what do?

you need a new controller.

I have this exact same problem, so now I try as hard as possible not to mess up.

 

[Silent Wolf]

are u going to rom 3?

nah. only goinjg to pound 5 and maybe gensis 2.

I hear SW has a good Kirby. He would fit in with the AZ crowd.

i def dont bond with people cuz we both have low tier characters lol. i like to play whoevers fun, which is like 20 chars.

 

[GOD!]

Waiting after the uthrow allows you to punish their double jump if they waste it or at least limit their options in the air, but yes, you can sometimes beat the nair with a spaced uair. The same applies to other characters who don't get combo'd by uthrow > uair (Mario, Luigi, et al).

Also, in their most recent set, Lovage only used uthrow like twice. He mostly stuck to dthrow or fthrow depending on where he landed the grab.

I understand the theory, that's why I asked about percents vs just judging space... <_<.

Also watch the set again and count the grabs and what type of follow up. He also only used dthrow like twice... just as much as uair.

But once again that's not the point. At the beginning of hugs last stock on match three he tried to go for a grab from a neutral position, something he didn't do the entire set except that one time. And he had that uthrow at 19% which got him an uair.

I just want lovage's opinion please. Not trying to be a jerk this time but I'm really just trying to understand how he plays the match up. That's it.

EDIT and before you say just aim him: I had aim like 8 years ago and I forgot my password and username.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

So you can press and release a button 20 times per second?

not for a full second lol. thats my burst speed, the fastest time between two button presses. I definitely misworded that in my post XD

 

[omgwtfToph]

nah. only goinjg to pound 5 and maybe gensis 2.

dont "maybe" genesis 2. thats my return to america yo. if you dont go to that **** you arent gonna see me for HELLA. and its on the west coast.

cmonnnn otto. cmonnnnn.

:3

*bonds*

 

[Rubyiris]

nah, the air in AZ sucks

Only in Phoenix.

 

[PB&J]

genesis 2 is going to be sick..hopefully they have way more setups this time

 

[omgwtfToph]

genesis 2 is going to be sick..hopefully they have way more setups this time

pbnj i already got a team partner for the tourney but lets team in some friendlies :o

 

[Silent Wolf]

dont "maybe" genesis 2. thats my return to america yo. if you dont go to that **** you arent gonna see me for HELLA. and its on the west coast.

cmonnnn otto. cmonnnnn.

:3

*bonds*

aight ill go.

Only in Phoenix.

i meant relative to seattle, so, AZ

 

[Rubyiris]

aight ill go.


i meant relative to seattle, so, AZ

from my understanding seattle is generally foggy, lol, though the one time I was in seattle it was clear, so idk.

So, Phoenix. Tucson's really really clean.

 

[Silent Wolf]

idk maybe the air in tucson is nice.

all i know is, seattle has hella trees, so the air is crisp and clear. northwest *****

 

[unknown522]

yo otto, are you and shane going to the BC tourney next weekend?

 

[Silent Wolf]

nah. im not going to canada until shane and ciz get passports.

plus we have our monthly tourney in wa on that day, and this ones critical :o

 

[omgwtfToph]

all i know is, seattle has hella trees, so the air is crisp and clear. northwest *****

HELLA

****ing

trees.

 

[unknown522]

nah. im not going to canada until shane and ciz get passports.

plus we have our monthly tourney in wa on that day, and this ones critical :o

aww. I understand.

I was looking forward to vids, but since you're having a monthly, I'll look forward to that.

Anyways, win that ****!

 

[RaynEX]

Hit a rut. Must not plateau.

How the **** do I improve haaalp

 

[RaynEX]

Hit a rut. Must not plateau.

How the **** do I improve haaalp

 

[Brookman]

slow down. ok. go.

really tho. Take a few days off. do everything you can to keep the game out of your head
just for a day.

dont play the game at all on the second day.

do some push ups.

find new people to play with. (i know this can be hard.)


watch a lot of M2k's marth

when you get back to the game think about something you're really having trouble with, whehter its a technique like wavedashing or your spacing vs. certain characters.

think of more creative ways to space yourself. for example, space away with dash grabs. down air combos, down air tech chasing. Get good @ reading DI/Smash DI vs the up air and then cross up with a back air for early kills.

use the shine, it makes you invincible.

aerial side > side step dodge.



what makes you feel like you hit a plateau?

 

[PB&J]

taking a week break always does the trick for me

and toph-ok ..sounds good..bring all of japan with u though..like the whole japan

 

[Kanelol]

try playing without nair for a few days

 

[unknown522]

slow down. ok. go.

really tho. Take a few days off. do everything you can to keep the game out of your head
just for a day.

dont play the game at all on the second day.

do some push ups.

find new people to play with. (i know this can be hard.)


watch a lot of M2k's marth

when you get back to the game think about something you're really having trouble with, whehter its a technique like wavedashing or your spacing vs. certain characters.

think of more creative ways to space yourself. for example, space away with dash grabs. down air combos, down air tech chasing. Get good @ reading DI/Smash DI vs the up air and then cross up with a back air for early kills.

use the shine, it makes you invincible.

aerial side > side step dodge.



what makes you feel like you hit a plateau?

taking a week break always does the trick for me

and toph-ok ..sounds good..bring all of japan with u though..like the whole japan

lol, I think Raynex not playing enough is the problem. He goes weeks at a time without playing. He is a busy man, so I don't blame him.

He should've explained that part.

 

[RaynEX]

I've been playing smash for my entire teenage life.

Then I suddenly got back on track started doing meaningful **** with my time. Not that smash isn't meaningful...but getting decent was hella time consuming.

I find that the breaks I take are too long because of work/school, then I come back and have rust issues. I know if I sit down I'll be legit in a few weeks...but there is no competition out here besides Unknown/KK. I.B. lives too **** far.

it's been like this for 3 years, and our scene has no real motivation to improve. It's sad really.

 

[Kanelol]

OH NO I ONLY GET TO PLAY WITH KK AND UNKNOWN

I don't get to play with anyone

:[

now that's sad, really

 

[unknown522]

hey, I want to improve.

tuesday, we got this.

 

[omgwtfToph]

Raynex, you still play bemani?

 

[Brookman]

If you have decent universities I will just move to canada.

 

[unknown522]

UofT (University of Toronto) is supposed to be one of the top 10 in the world from what I hear.