Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[LumpyCPU...]

man...
you guys can thunder's oos?
you have to be unnecessarily technical for that haha

 

[Tomacawk]

man...
you guys can thunder's oos?
you have to be unnecessarily technical for that haha

. Jason voorhese is an experiment gone terribly wrong--he is a machine, a robot, a "cyborg", if you will. He was part of an on-going attempt by russian scientists to craft a creature with so much intelligence and learning capacity that he could study the world-political figures in full, and learn the most efficient ways of dealing with them fiscally, publicly, and militarily.
. However, with a humane twist of fate, a researcher (spoken only of as "the Great Inquisitor" in the sacred text) cut the green wires and spliced the red and yellow wires together--setting the literal framework of what is known to be as the fastest thumbs in the midwest. This fatal flaw comes with a catch-22, however--if left with nothing to study and no environmental stimuli, the voorhese cannot sustain itself. He must approach.

you know nothing of the voorhese, lumpy. my sig VERY MUCH related
tl;dr i'm fuckin baked

 

[LumpyCPU...]

 

[joeplicate]

i think i've done thunders oos before

i know i've gotten shine oos > grab on sheik and the like

 

[The Irish Mafia]

Variola removing springs from controllers has been decided a legal controller mod in MA/RI by KevM.

Just wondering, is it possible to combo waveshine-turnaround utilt?

 

[EC_Joey]

Variola removing springs from controllers has been decided a legal controller mod in MA/RI by KevM.

Wonder when Mr. Supermoderator started having other people post for him.

 

[RaynEX]

Variola removing springs from controllers has been decided a legal controller mod in MA/RI by KevM.

Just wondering, is it possible to combo waveshine-turnaround utilt?

Yes. The backwards waveshine has to be pretty fast though.

 

[Rubyiris]

Raynex you still owe me critique. You promised me you would a few months ago and never got around to it LOL.

 

[Lovage]

I'm not. You're supposed to be good at this game. How can you NOT see that he still approaches far too often. He should only be approaching when the opponent is already commited to something.

i wonder why....

 

[Rubyiris]

i wonder why....

Excuse me for speaking the truth.

 

[GOD!]

I remember reading that kage would press the l-button several times in order to l-cancel an aerial. I read it in the Q%A thread though, so it's third hand info.

I've tried full hop fast falling uairs on an opponents shield (followed by shine) repeatedly, and i don't get punished for it. The hit hit(shield?)stun for uair is massive and the other char will always just roll away. Do other people do this or not?
And my sig is awesome.

 

[`DNS`]

btw does drill dair combo into anything besides shine?

 

[GOD!]

btw does drill dair combo into anything besides shine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlUjTR5P8MY#t=4m4sec

 

[nyc_tag$]

I've never spammed the L trigger to l-cancel. I might start doing it in some situations though. Seems useful against ice climbers and in teams if ppl are shielding right next to each other

 

[ChivalRuse]

Dair combos into jab assuming they don't smash DI out of the drill.

Utilt is questionable ...

 

[DtJ Jungle]

dair grab

dair upsmash

 

[`DNS`]

anyone know if it actually combos into those?
or is it just a pseudo-combo?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

sdi beats all of them.

 

[GOD!]

sdi beats all of them.

Not if the drill is short-hopped from a dash.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

drill combos into grab and utilt and jab and ftilt.

it can combo into usmash under a few conditions (drill hitbox on the last frame before you hit the ground, close to their body, lighter character=easier to perform)

 

[LumpyCPU...]

you have drill to grab/jab/shine

if you limited it to that, you'd be fine.

 

[RaynEX]

Raynex you still owe me critique. You promised me you would a few months ago and never got around to it LOL.

Alright. Where the videos at?

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dair combos into utilt but you have to be facing away from your opponent. If utilt hits while facing them, they just ****ed up.

dair usmash combos

dair grab "combos" (defensive buffers aren't fast enough to avoid the grab after the dair hitstun. 1 frame moves like shine, Bowser's upB can beat it if you see it coming though.)

dair jab combos

dair dsmash combos (its a fast move)

dair shine

thats about it.

Sveet, there is no way in hell it combos into ftilt.

 

[Rubyiris]

Alright. Where the videos at?

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dair combos into utilt but you have to be facing away from your opponent. If utilt hits while facing them, they just ****ed up.

dair usmash combos

dair grab "combos" (defensive buffers aren't fast enough to avoid the grab after the dair hitstun. 1 frame moves like shine, Bowser's upB can beat it if you see it coming though.)

dair jab combos

dair dsmash combos (its a fast move)

dair shine

thats about it.

Sveet, there is no way in hell it combos into ftilt.

I'll have some up this week. I don't have recording equipment and my usual training partners are back in school so I usually only play on the weekends.

@ dair usmash: Iirc they can shield before usmash hits. or maybe I'm just being too slow.

 

[EC_Joey]

Excuse me for speaking the truth.

You make it sound like approaching is horrible.

 

[Rubyiris]

You make it sound like approaching is horrible.

against certain characters it is. Why do you think Jigglypuff, Peach, and Ganon do so well?

 

[ChivalRuse]

Drill jab fsmash would be a funny way to kill a spacy. :-3

 

[PK Webb]

Is there a way to practice spacing against a cpu because I can't space very well and I'm lookin for tips

 

[(*Jman*)]

just drill grab or drill shine

and u be fine

o yea drill land behind them and up tilt ***** jiggs

i do that sometimes

 

[Rubyiris]

Is there a way to practice spacing against a cpu because I can't space very well and I'm lookin for tips

Good spacing imo pretty much comes from experience. The problem with practicing spacing against a computer is that since they pretty much only walk it's hard to apply that spacing in a game where players are almost always constantly moving. you have to compensate for the huge difference between a human and a computers playstyle and that will throw off your spacing.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Is there a way to practice spacing against a cpu

Not really. You can practice stuff like hitting with precise parts of hitboxes. But there's no way to simulate a human's movement really.

 

[PK Webb]

I c thank u I guess I just gotta play ppl more often...I use to play marth so when I space I space things as if I got a tip lol doesn't work to well

 

[ChivalRuse]

Yea. Btw, I just noticed your location. Nice.

Two fun Fox spacing facts:

1. A trick to hit someone who's dash dance camping is to run and dash attack. But instead of doing it when you'd expect it to hit, keep running and do it significantly later. Most of the time they will have run away from you, expecting you to attack where they were. The dash attack will still connect.
2. A lot of people will wait for Fox to nair and then will pivot grab or DD grab him. You can defeat this by nairing slightly earlier than usual, quickly fastfalling and l-cancelling, of course, and then foxtrotting away. Their grab will whiff and you can punish however you want.

 

[battousai555]

Yea. Btw, I just noticed your location. Nice.

Two fun Fox spacing facts:

1. A trick to hit someone who's dash dance camping is to run and dash attack. But instead of doing it when you'd expect it to hit, keep running and do it significantly later. Most of the time they will have run away from you, expecting you to attack where they were. The dash attack will still connect.
2. A lot of people will wait for Fox to nair and then will pivot grab or DD grab him. You can defeat this by nairing slightly earlier than usual, quickly fastfalling and l-cancelling, of course, and then foxtrotting away. Their grab will whiff and you can punish however you want.

I just recently discovered those tricks myself while playing my new friend. He plays against Pink Shinobi a lot, so he knows how to DD camp and space very well. I was getting a bit perturbed after getting DD grabbed way too many times so I tried mixing up the timing and placement of my nairs. That worked fairly well some of the time, but what really kept him guessing was combining different nair timing/placement with an occasional dash attack.

I know that a predicted dash attack can lead to my doom against Marf, but it's worked well against him and others so far (as long as I do it every once in a while).

 

[EC_Joey]

against certain characters it is. Why do you think Jigglypuff, Peach, and Ganon do so well?

Ganon still does pretty badly. Most people just don't know the matchup very well. He just hits like a truck.

As long as you're not obvious about your approach it's usually worth the risk, especially with Fox.

 

[LumpyCPU...]

I just recently discovered those tricks myself while playing my new friend. He plays against Pink Shinobi a lot, so he knows how to DD camp and space very well. I was getting a bit perturbed after getting DD grabbed way too many times so I tried mixing up the timing and placement of my nairs. That worked fairly well some of the time, but what really kept him guessing was combining different nair timing/placement with an occasional dash attack.

I know that a predicted dash attack can lead to my doom against Marf, but it's worked well against him and others so far (as long as I do it every once in a while).

pink shinobi is my hero.
have i met you? maybe under a different name?

Ganon still does pretty badly. Most people just don't know the matchup very well. He just hits like a truck.

As long as you're not obvious about your approach it's usually worth the risk, especially with Fox.

well as long as you're not obvious about your camping, it's even more beneficial than approaching.

i'll admit it's a little easier to predict a campy fox than a fox who's mixing up approaches.
however, it's also much harder to interupt for characters like ganon.

 

[choknater]

if u camp ganon on a stage that's not dreamland, ur just in a position where he wants u, he pressures too good if hes in the center and is moving toward u when ur close to the edge. if u jump wrong his uair will take away ur jump, if ur on the ground he can just fair jab u and stuff, or grab u. i say offense is better for fox cuz all ur attacks will come out before his

but thats just probably how i play

when i play ganon against fox, i feel way more useless when im getting combo'd and edgeguarded

 

[Incronaut]

is there frame data on fox's shield pressure like there is for falco?

if not, then is there a way to perfectly shield pressure? if not (again), then when is the opening for people to shield grab and what are ways around it? (i feel like fox is so fast, does a late nair really help it?)

 

[LumpyCPU...]

late nair to shine to retreating early nair/dair

i think those are safe from all shield grabs. idk the frame data or anything

 

[The Mighty Kiwi]

I need a different approach tactic with fox other than n-air. Can someone help?

 

[EC_Joey]

Spaced bairs, dash dance camp into punish, running shield, empty shorthop, etc.