Fortress | Sveet
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try it sometime.
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Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-
- Thread starter Silent Wolf
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TresChikon
Smash Lord
Hah just did, my utilt parries DK's up+b, so i can just do it again.
Not sure abt Browser, doesnt he get invinc frames?
Not sure abt Browser, doesnt he get invinc frames?
Fortress | Sveet
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invincibility 1-4 hitbox starts on 5
TresChikon
Smash Lord
Gotta watch for that then, thanks guys.
Silent Wolf
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about the dash shield drop thing again, you only can keep momentum if you put up your shield after you leave your dash dance range, so its useless
TresChikon
Smash Lord
You mean not during the animation?
Fortress | Sveet
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there is the regular dash animation and then there is the run animation. in run you can shield, jump, dash attack, w/e. in dash you can dash attack, turn around, jump. you can't shield or down cancel
Silent Wolf
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you can shield, you just dont keep any momentum once the shield is summoned, thats what im saying
voorhese
Smash Master
ok this is what it sounds like to me are very amazing/ un-abused things are that i really need to do
1.shine->jc grab instead of sheil pressure
2.upsmash out of sheild, on most almost all things that have many frames of lag (at high percentage, unless your fighting spacies/falcon to set up combos)
3.dont show off after kills, instead camp the edge for invincibility frames
4.laser camping
5. jab reset to something that sets up another jab reset, instead of showing of with like a shine -> usmash (at low percentage this is fine because you can jab reset again)
6. be VERY PATIENT
7. grab grab grab
is this about accurate, heres a mini combo video i made for school sorry about the quality, can i get some advice based on this, i know its hard to say based on this, but when i get a cap card ill post videos of me training friends in infinite time melee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWGGfgoNPT4
1.shine->jc grab instead of sheil pressure
2.upsmash out of sheild, on most almost all things that have many frames of lag (at high percentage, unless your fighting spacies/falcon to set up combos)
3.dont show off after kills, instead camp the edge for invincibility frames
4.laser camping
5. jab reset to something that sets up another jab reset, instead of showing of with like a shine -> usmash (at low percentage this is fine because you can jab reset again)
6. be VERY PATIENT
7. grab grab grab
is this about accurate, heres a mini combo video i made for school sorry about the quality, can i get some advice based on this, i know its hard to say based on this, but when i get a cap card ill post videos of me training friends in infinite time melee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWGGfgoNPT4
Silent Wolf
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use usmash out of shield when a falco lasers and lands near you thinking he can grab or something
Ghostly
Smash Cadet
I can't seem to sh double laser. Can anyone give me tips on how to practice besides using a claw grip?
L__
Smash Master
I use control stick. :\
Ghostly
Smash Cadet
What do you mean?
It's just another way of getting from point A to point B. It's not any more useless than wavelanding on a platform.
Ghostly: He means ever so slightly flick the control stick up (resulting in a short hop) so you don't have to go from the jump button (X or Y) to the B button macks fast.
Ghostly
Smash Cadet
oh I see. 10 char
voorhese
Smash Master
idk i dont use a claw grip or anything, i just tab x-> then tap b, tab and hold b, seems to work about everytime
TresChikon
Smash Lord
I take my left thumb from the control stick and reach over across the start button and over to the B. Lol it's weird, but I i use it double missile with Samus too.
But most people stick part of their thumb on Y and slide it over to B, so their thumb is sort of on both of them.
PCHU
Smash Lord
For SHDL, I use the control stick method.
I can also do it with X and Y, but I want to practice with those a bit more before relying on them.
I can also do it with X and Y, but I want to practice with those a bit more before relying on them.
L__
Smash Master
I short hop with control stick, and just tap b twice.
Most prefer Y -> Bx2 though
Stick with whatever is most efficient for you
Silent Wolf
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Im talking about dash shield drop thru platform with saved momentum (which is impossible, im sure now) exclusively, not the tactic as a whole.
Flamin Roy
Smash Ace
this statement changed my life after i played with lambchops thanks
all i need to practice is my spacing
When I play against falco and fox, I usually wavedash back once and do a quick dash dance when they approach with an aerial attack.
But I notice a lot of better smashers don't try and avoid the aerial, they just shield it, and then roll away after the shine that comes.
Why is this? Is there some aspect of strategy I don't know about or do the people in the vids just don't have time to space that quickly?
Also I noticed last week that a lot of good players wait to shieldgrab a fox and falco aerial until after the fox or falco shines. I was taught to shine after every aerial so I wouldn't get shield grabbed, but now people seem to be waiting for the shine and then grabbing.
That being said, is there any merit in, say, nair --> grab or nair> nair? or nair> dd> nair?
Or maybe I just need to mix up my playing.
But I notice a lot of better smashers don't try and avoid the aerial, they just shield it, and then roll away after the shine that comes.
Why is this? Is there some aspect of strategy I don't know about or do the people in the vids just don't have time to space that quickly?
Also I noticed last week that a lot of good players wait to shieldgrab a fox and falco aerial until after the fox or falco shines. I was taught to shine after every aerial so I wouldn't get shield grabbed, but now people seem to be waiting for the shine and then grabbing.
That being said, is there any merit in, say, nair --> grab or nair> nair? or nair> dd> nair?
Or maybe I just need to mix up my playing.
You can buffer the roll to get away as fast as possible. It works well most of the time to get out of shield pressure unless they're expecting it. You can also shine out of shield immediately after they shine your shield to get them off you.
Ideally you want to get them to miss the aerial so you can counter with a grab or other move, but against people with good spacing you usually have to shield their aerial approaches.
Shine will always come out faster than a grab would. To prevent them from grabbing you right after you shine, you should either wavedash out of range as fast as possible, or do a short-hop/full-jump nair out of your shine as fast as possible. Or multishine if you're really technical.
Nair > nair isn't good. I don't understand why people do it.
If you want to be extra safe just do a crossup nair and repeatedly bair their shield from behind until they do something. See how they react to it and punish accordingly.
You just need to be faster out of shine. JC grab out of shine will **** people who try to grab after the shine. You can also do shffl nair > shine > shffl nair > shine et cetera, but you'll probably have to practice a lot before you can do it consistently.
If you want to be extra safe just do a crossup nair and repeatedly bair their shield from behind until they do something. See how they react to it and punish accordingly.
I meant cross up nair and then nair on the back of their shield. Jman does this a lot and lovage (from what I've seen).
Whenever I bair their shield they just roll away or full jump.
Ok. So nair--> shine --> jc grab?
IF jc grab is such an easy tech (I can do it literally 95% of the time) then why does no one else do this that I've seen? The only player I see do it a lot is nite.
It does sound smart though, I'll try it. Thanks.
Fortress | Sveet
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zhu does it a lot with falco. IMO shine grab is better with falco just because if they get hit by shine they bounce up enough for you to jump->dair/bair before the stun is up. fox's shinegrab simply pushes them back and you cant do much to cover it.
Tomacawk
Smash Master
true sveet, but if your grab hits the reward is insane with fox due to uthrow combos
Yeah. That's kind of what I meant by "see how they react and punish accordingly."
Flamin Roy
Smash Ace
i noticed if you run and shine jc grab you still grab them from the momentum ofr your dash
yes yes you can
same if you jc into another shine the second shine hits
same if you jc into another shine the second shine hits
Silent Wolf
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if you have a turnip you can do 2, maybe 3 shines then jc and throw it forward, and if they DI up, run under them and jc a shine or 2 into an usmash, or run under them and double shine after the turnip then jump shine and instantly jump and shine again, so itd be like 2 shines, turnip, 4 shines then fall with a laser or something pimp
someone should make an ar fox video vs cpus thats actually good
someone should make an ar fox video vs cpus thats actually good
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
SW's avatar reminds me of a holo. pokemon from way back in the day, but any adive on how to sh out of the shine I can SHL in 2x speed and SHFFL with or without the c-stick and stuff it's just I can never sh out of the shine, I can waveshine too (learned it by playing as pichu)
Blizzard Flames
Smash Cadet
I know how to multishine, but how should I move my fingers since you need to be fast to do it? I press x then b, over and over again.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
I slide y to b, even if you hit A nothing happens.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
I use the control stick to jump and C-stick to aerial, I find that easiest for me.
RaynEX
Colonel RTSD
Whats new? School is keeping me tied up but I'm playing and stuff. Any drama?
cykofox
Smash Ace
rayn go to a big tourny man we havent heard much from you in a while.