Q&A -Fox Advice/Questions Topic-

[Falcinho]

If you are bad at laser camping with Fox, stay at least at a distance where you can punish Peach when she is pulling a turnip.
Don't be surprised when Peach tries to dashattack you, you can CC it until about 50 % i think =D

when Peach shields its pretty effective to spam spaced bairs and react when she tries to break out

 

[Lovage]

What do I do against people who are pressure oriented?

I tend to panic and then my tech skill goes away. If I hid in my shield, I have the option of shine of out shield, but I probably could do... poor tech chase -> nothing

My biggest problems in general are the aggressive Falco match up, the extremely patient Falco matchup, and campy peaches.

I've watched some videos but I'm not the greatest at applying what I know as of now. Any advice is appreciated.

hmm against falco...


falco WILL pressure the **** out of you, it's not fun but it happens, just know that you'll get your turn soon enough

and once it's your turn (you knocked him down with a shine) make it hell for him to get back up, i think the best way to acomplish this is to focus really hard on all his options (roll left, roll right, get up attack [falcos never stand up after shine cuz ur too fast] and react as fast as possible to which way he goes.

 

[JBM falcon08]

Lovage how come I see you do these really entertaining tech skill vids. You play pretty well in most matchups but you struggle alot with Peach it seems.

Is Peach one of those matchups your still working on? I watched Connor vs you on live steam yesterday.

 

[unknown522]

peach is a *****. My only practice is vs Vwins when we see each other.

 

[L__]

hmm against falco...


falco WILL pressure the **** out of you, it's not fun but it happens, just know that you'll get your turn soon enough

and once it's your turn (you knocked him down with a shine) make it hell for him to get back up, i think the best way to acomplish this is to focus really hard on all his options (roll left, roll right, get up attack [falcos never stand up after shine cuz ur too fast] and react as fast as possible to which way he goes.

are you telling me to techchase with shine?

 

[unknown522]

yeah he is, it's really effective

 

[L__]

That sounds really fun

I can't wait until I play smash with some real people again

Not being able to drive sucks.

Do you guys have any tips for Fox dittos? I'm not very good at comboing. I can post a recent tournament set if it helps you guys give me more advice

 

[voorhese]

That sounds really fun

I can't wait until I play smash with some real people again

Not being able to drive sucks.

Do you guys have any tips for Fox dittos? I'm not very good at comboing. I can post a recent tournament set if it helps you guys give me more advice

#1 thing in fox dittos is grab

 

[L__]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFEYmV4EjQ&feature=related

I know that much

 

[NJzFinest]

are you telling me to techchase with shine?

I think he means you knock Falco down for the techchasing using the shine.

But yeah, very important when you consider how silly Falco's CC is vs Fox.

 

[RaynEX]

dair > CC

then thunders all dai son.

 

[unknown522]

thunders sucks.

 

[Lovage]

Lovage how come I see you do these really entertaining tech skill vids. You play pretty well in most matchups but you struggle alot with Peach it seems.

Is Peach one of those matchups your still working on? I watched Connor vs you on live steam yesterday.

i suck against peach
i psyche myself out and lose mentally before the match starts

i suck against peach
i psyche myself out and lose mentally before the match starts

are you telling me to techchase with shine?

yeah it *****. falco is a fun matchup, i break it into 3 parts

1. getting him on the ground - do this with shine, nair (at low percents or if they crouch cancel combo use nair into shine,) and grab (into usmash obviously, or if they di onto a platform, wait for their tech and bair.)

2. not letting him get back up. once he rolls from the shine, hit him again with shine, grab, nair or usmash, if you're moving fast u can go 0-70 with good tech chases. this will probably seem hard at first, but the more experience you have the better you will get at it. once he's on the ground just focus as hard as you can on which directions he might go and get there before he does. eventually you'll start noticing his habits and it gets easier

3. not getting *****. this might be the most important part, no one wants to be in a combo video. don't fall for his dumb grab stuff, if he down throws, di away and shine/roll, if he bthrows by the ledge, don't jump into his fsmash, if he uthrows, di away/behind him and try to jump or shine before he shines you. try not to get predictable with your techs, pay attention to when he tries to laser-> grab your shield, lots of falcos get predictable with this.

 

[Meneks]

RATE MY FOX PLEASE!!
Just a couple of matches(yeah i did alot of stupid edgeguarding ****)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzuIAzYqQMI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXTY3RkiCs&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM3Hkt5r3bg&feature=channel_page
Quality isnt amazing but You can still see what i'm doing

 

[JBM falcon08]

I only watched Match 1

You can tell you play the game for fun. Your going for crazy stuff that 8 times out of 10 isn't going to probably work but it still looks sweet.

Your edgeguarding needs alot of work. Like I said you play around with tech skill alot(fun) but its causing your execution as for how hard you hit(if even hit) to be very poor.

Fox is a fun char whether you play really gay or fun like you do. If you want to place higher in Tournaments your going to want to stick with your typical Nairs/Bairs. Don't use dair midcombo unless you intend to hit them with all of the kicks following with a grab or shine of somesort.

Also, that jcx4 shine on ganon was too good.

 

[Meneks]

I only watched Match 1

You can tell you play the game for fun. Your going for crazy stuff that 8 times out of 10 isn't going to probably work but it still looks sweet.

Your edgeguarding needs alot of work. Like I said you play around with tech skill alot(fun) but its causing your execution as for how hard you hit(if even hit) to be very poor.

Fox is a fun char whether you play really gay or fun like you do. If you want to place higher in Tournaments your going to want to stick with your typical Nairs/Bairs. Don't use dair midcombo unless you intend to hit them with all of the kicks following with a grab or shine of somesort.

Also, that jcx4 shine on ganon was too good.

Yeah these were friendlies so i'm doing alot of dumb stupid stuff that i KNOW i wouldn't be doing in tourney. i just wish I had tournament videos but i do play like that alot..
Any other critique from anyone else would be good aswell..

and thanks that jc shine was too good

 

[ChivalRuse]

RATE MY FOX PLEASE!!
Just a couple of matches(yeah i did alot of stupid edgeguarding ****)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzuIAzYqQMI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXTY3RkiCs&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM3Hkt5r3bg&feature=channel_page
Quality isnt amazing but You can still see what i'm doing

Sometimes Falcon and Ganon (other characters, too, I'm sure) will smash DI out of Fox's dair, thereby escaping far enough horizontally to not get shined. Then they'll grab you as you're wavedashing out of the shine. Just something to be wary of and opt for a jab/grab instead of a shine if it seems it might miss.

 

[Stratford]

Sometimes Falcon and Ganon (other characters, too, I'm sure) will smash DI out of Fox's dair, thereby escaping far enough horizontally to not get shined. Then they'll grab you as you're wavedashing out of the shine.

Yes, this is such a ****ty feeling...

 

[noodles]

So react to the DI and jump out of shine/dont shine at all. Replace the time it'll take to shine/wavedash out and depending on who your playing you can get away with a grab.

 

[voorhese]

on the topic of tech chasing falco with shines, is it good to tech chase him with shine nairs? (not shine -> wavedash -> nair), (i mean shine->nair->hold forward)

it seems to be good to set up jab resets/ shine ->usmash and other silly things

 

[L__]

shine->nair->hold forward

...

okay I've done the shine->nair before...but I don't get how holding forward is supposed to help


edit: If you're talking about DI'ing towards them and jab reset

I didn't think that was possible

 

[TresChikon]

Sometimes Falcon and Ganon (other characters, too, I'm sure) will smash DI out of Fox's dair, thereby escaping far enough horizontally to not get shined. Then they'll grab you as you're wavedashing out of the shine. Just something to be wary of and opt for a jab/grab instead of a shine if it seems it might miss.

If you're mindful of their DI, you can follow it with the tail end of your dair.

You can also use u-tilt or even a grab to catch them. Usmash works well too.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

i think he means to cover all the invincibility frames. if you hit with a weak nair and DI forward, they will get hit slightly and be in position for a jab reset.

i think thats a decent way to pressure a tech chase, but it might be better to play rock/paper/scissors (or rock/scissors in this case) if you didnt read the tech.

 

[voorhese]

idk i hold the forward again after the nair, to go further to the way im trying to hit them, so i dont miss the nair i guess, since i hold forward the only time i miss a shine ->nair is when i miss the jc, or miss with the shine itself (not very often)

also when you hold forward, if they didnt go very far you walk as you hit the ground to jab for the jab reset, if im doing normal nairs at something like 50-60% i do the ssfld nair -> run -> cc -> jab ..... for the jab reset

 

[Lovage]

jab doesnt reset them past 50

 

[voorhese]

jab doesnt reset them past 50

well actually i think fox's is like 72 or something i will check

 

[Lovage]

that list is dumb try it on real people and they always roll away after like 45

 

[voorhese]

that list is dumb try it on real people and they always roll away after like 45

oh ok, still fox is the easiest to jab reset consistantly

 

[Turazrok]

Should someone maybe consolidate all the most frequently asked questions into one post?

 

[TresChikon]

If you SDI upwards, resets shouldn't even work at all, regardless of percents.

 

[voorhese]

i did not know that, to bad that would be to hard to do in an instant

 

[TresChikon]

Well, yes, but you'd catch on the third or fourth time they'd try to thunders you.

Against people who fall from shine, I go for it no more than 3 times since anything beyond that will fail if the person I'm against is any good.

 

[Lovage]

If you SDI upwards, resets shouldn't even work at all, regardless of percents.

not regardless of percents.

percents matter, read the sheik vs. falcon matchup posts if you want to know more about SDIing resets, in that matchup falcon can escape sheik's jab reset at 10% or so just by holding up on the control stick (ASDI) so that he pops off the ground

 

[voorhese]

do you know what the %s are?

 

[TresChikon]

If you get grabbed above about 25% or so just holding up will work. If grabbed between around 20-25%, holding up & towards on the control stick and up on the c-stick will work. If below 20% you need to SDI and could either:

A) Hold up on the c-stick and rotate the control stick rapidly. Easy, but if the jab hits during the wrong parts of the rotation it won't work.

B) Hold up on the c-stick and full away on the control stick, then right as you hit the ground quickly rotate the control stick in the upward direction starting from away and ending at up & towards, then maybe go into C) in case they delay the jab slightly. If they hit you just after passing the point at the top it won't work if you don't move past up a 2nd time when going the other way before hitlag ends.

C) Hold up on the c-stick and rapidly wiggle/shake the control stick back and forth over the 2 points near the up notch on the controller. If you do it fast enough it will work pretty much every time. If you aren't fast it might not work very well at all. I put the stick between my index and middle fingers and vibrate my hand.

Here's what Magus had to say.

not regardless of percents.

percents matter, read the sheik vs. falcon matchup posts if you want to know more about SDIing resets, in that matchup falcon can escape sheik's jab reset at 10% or so just by holding up on the control stick (ASDI) so that he pops off the ground

Yeah I was wrong about that. SDI alone won't get you out of a reset at < 25%

Even a SDI straight up isn't enough if you AS/DI improperly.

 

[ipitydatfu]

quick question cuz im a bit curious, would shine -> wd -> forward smash connect?

 

[Lovage]

no

fsmash takes too long

 

[TresChikon]

A jab might make it connect but if you wanna get em offstage use dsmash.

 

[noodles]

Till what percent can peach CC fox's Dtilt?

If my nair makes me to far to shine id usually jab but i dont want to eat a dsmash.

 

[JesiahTEG]

REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION

How does Fox handle Falcon's Nair? What are some good ways to beat it in the neutral state?

Also, if he hits your shield with it, what are some good options? If he spaces it perfectly and doesn't space it perfectly. It's really hard to DD away from, it goes forever.